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PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« on: March 23, 2016, 07:16:00 PM »
Hey guys,
I'm debating on purchasing a place diverter ride plate for my 20.5 ft carrera eclipse but don't know if it will make much difference for the fact it's a longer boat already. I know I should do a custom ride plate but I really don't want to pull the pump. I have a hydraulic diverter and a droop already on it and made a world of difference. Any advice will help.  Here are some pics
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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2016, 07:20:30 PM »
I hear they help and will give you a little bit more mph. I just dropped mine off at mpd Sunday to get milled for a shoe and ride plate. I'm going the hard way with it. But I'm also moving the pump back 4"


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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2016, 08:05:13 PM »
...I'm also moving the pump back 4"

Nice setback
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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2016, 08:14:12 PM »
I hear they help and will give you a little bit more mph. I just dropped mine off at mpd Sunday to get milled for a shoe and ride plate. I'm going the hard way with it. But I'm also moving the pump back 4"


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Not sure how a ride plate all by itself will give more mile an hour.

It's normally installed to correct an issue.

I find the question one of those "try it and see" things.


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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2016, 09:48:33 PM »
Bolt on shoe/plate combo from either ARS marine or HTP... I installed the bolt on combo to my hull a couple years ago. Shoe ends up being right at keel. This combo helped all around an is easy to install without removing the intake. Duane from HTP will walk you through details on cradle (tall or short) ect...

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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2016, 08:55:01 AM »
Bolt on shoe/plate combo from either ARS marine or HTP... I installed the bolt on combo to my hull a couple years ago. Shoe ends up being right at keel. This combo helped all around an is easy to install without removing the intake. Duane from HTP will walk you through details on cradle (tall or short) ect...

Since when did someone other than Place Diverter offer a ture "bolt on" shoe or ride plate? All the shoe/rideplate combos I have ever seen need to have the intake machined to accept a shoe and rideplate. the PD ride plate actually bolts on the the bottom of their droop and really isn't adjustable. It just offers a flat surface for the boat to rock back on instead of trying to ride on the round bottom of the droop.
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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2016, 09:08:24 AM »
Since when did someone other than Place Diverter offer a ture "bolt on" shoe or ride plate? All the shoe/rideplate combos I have ever seen need to have the intake machined to accept a shoe and rideplate. the PD ride plate actually bolts on the the bottom of their droop and really isn't adjustable. It just offers a flat surface for the boat to rock back on instead of trying to ride on the round bottom of the droop.

HTP has had it for a long time, when i was building my first Rogers i looked into it
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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2016, 09:42:59 AM »
HTP has had it for a long time, when i was building my first Rogers i looked into it

Got a link?
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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2016, 09:56:08 AM »
Got a link?

looks like he just re-did his website still not a great site....

but its not on there anymore heres an old thread for that other site referencing it

http://www.performanceboats.com/jet-boats/291217-shoe-ride-plate.html
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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2016, 10:08:49 AM »

Nice setback

Thanks it's coming out good so far. Just sized it up with a test intake.


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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2016, 10:10:16 AM »

Not sure how a ride plate all by itself will give more mile an hour.

It's normally installed to correct an issue.

I find the question one of those "try it and see" things.


GT


Just thinks I've read. Not personal experience.


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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2016, 10:44:30 AM »

Not sure how a ride plate all by itself will give more mile an hour.

It's normally installed to correct an issue.

I find the question one of those "try it and see" things.


GT

Wouldn't it reduce the drag from the diverter and nozzle down in the water as well as free the boat up higher in the water this giving more mph at the same rpm etc?


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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2016, 10:54:50 AM »

Not sure how a ride plate all by itself will give more mile an hour.

It's normally installed to correct an issue.

I find the question one of those "try it and see" things.


GT

Wouldn't it reduce the drag from the diverter and nozzle down in the water as well as free the boat up higher in the water this giving more mph at the same rpm etc?


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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2016, 11:02:38 AM »
Wouldn't it reduce the drag from the diverter and nozzle down in the water as well as free the boat up higher in the water this giving more mph at the same rpm etc?


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Not really the intended purpose,  but to answer your question,  not really, it's an added ride surface that when that close to the pump at an upward angle provides something for the boat/hull to "ride back on" theoretically allowing more hull to escape the drag of the water,  this lowers the overall drag coefficient and increases the amount of air under the boat providing that all elusive lift.

You can move something through air a thousand times easier than water (approximately), so the more lift, the lower the Cd.

There is a fine line where you make too much lift,  this is when the porpoise of death is experienced.  That is where the adjustable plate shines the brightest. Well,  that and a whole bunch more horsepower and weight distribution.

Edit:

But to say it can increase mph all by itself,  I think that's a little misleading.

GT

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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2016, 01:22:22 PM »

Not really the intended purpose,  but to answer your question,  not really, it's an added ride surface that when that close to the pump at an upward angle provides something for the boat/hull to "ride back on" theoretically allowing more hull to escape the drag of the water,  this lowers the overall drag coefficient and increases the amount of air under the boat providing that all elusive lift.

You can move something through air a thousand times easier than water (approximately), so the more lift, the lower the Cd.

There is a fine line where you make too much lift,  this is when the porpoise of death is experienced.  That is where the adjustable plate shines the brightest. Well,  that and a whole bunch more horsepower and weight distribution.

Edit:

But to say it can increase mph all by itself,  I think that's a little misleading.

GT

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Ok that makes sense, that was about my understanding of it out into better words lol. Thanks!


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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2016, 02:15:44 PM »
Duanes from HTP was cheaper... give them a call( he'll send you a step by step do it your self direction). Heres ARS link https://jetpumpparts.com/adapt_a_shoe_and_ride_plate_kits.html
This is my set up from HTP but with a tall cradle from ARS. Duane was out of them when I ordered the kit. HTP was just under 300 a couple years ago. The shoes biting edge is at keel an the plate is 3* up. Kit comes with adjusting strips of aluminum to help you find the best * for your set up. 
 
Heres the one he sent me... I believe the cradle in his directions can be used on a C bowl.





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Re: PD ride plate on Carrera Eclipse
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2016, 05:32:53 PM »
Thanks for the info guys!! I'll look a little more into this when I get my tax return "boat parts fund" back 😎😎
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