SoCal Jet Boats
Tech Talk => Jet Pumps => Topic started by: muffbro on December 30, 2012, 04:18:13 PM
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I may have a line on an old boat with a complete Berkeley pump on it with a diverter....maybe a couple of old 455 heads and misc parts for 150 bucks!
Question, my brother in
Law will buy it and disassemble, since the hull is shot, what would be optimum way to yank the pump? Chainsaw or Sawzall .... Anyone ever do this?? Any tips?
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This is the pump I was talking about
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Will the diverter go on my JG?
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Chainsaw or sawzall are very effective pump removal tools...........ask anyone who's had a boat stolen........ :sly:
The diverter should fit on your JG pump no problem, but you'll probably need a steeting extension. :thumbup:
Ray
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Geometry should be real close going from a c to split with diverter install. Might just need a slight adjustment with steer tube.
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Chainsaw or sawzall are very effective pump removal tools...........ask anyone who's had a boat stolen........ :sly:
The diverter should fit on your JG pump no problem, but you'll probably need a steeting extension. :thumbup:
Ray
Ok great thx for the info. For 150 bucks I couldn't pass it up.
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Geometry should be real close going from a c to split with diverter install. Might just need a slight adjustment with steer tube.
I have a 4 degree wedge on mine now....when I install should I keep it or???
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Is it just me or wouldnt it just be easyer to remove it by taking the 8 or 10 bolts out of the transom adapter and the 8 or 10 bolts out of the intake ::)
and no cutting of fiberglass that s*** sucks :o
i could be wrong.....
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Is it just me or wouldnt it just be easyer to remove it by taking the 8 or 10 bolts out of the transom adapter and the 8 or 10 bolts out of the intake ::)
and no cutting of fiberglass that s*** sucks :o
i could be wrong.....
I dont know...Ive never removed one myself.
Thats why I asked....i'm trying to keep my brother in law happy as its a favor for me. H'e NOT a boat guy by any stretch so I was looking for an easy removal method. I'm leaving it in his hands, but I will tell him unbolting it is a definite option...I know fibers will fly and theres that "itchy" thang when that happens.
THX
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Jusy cut it out if the hull is junk. There isnt that much glass on the transom.
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Don't use a chainsaw...the fiberglass will kill your bar and chain quickly. Sawzall works best.
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Don't use a chainsaw...the fiberglass will kill your bar and chain quickly. Sawzall works best.
After thinking about it, the Sawzall sounds like the way to go. Thanks for the input ....
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I will update when it's done... Thx
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imao when you cut "sawzaw" or "chainsaw" anything out of a boat...that tells me "IT'S STOLEN"
evan if the hull is junk....you could get $100 $150 from a salvage yard.....if its cut up you can NOT !
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That was my first thought too!
It's listed on eBay , my brother in law is going over to pull hull reg and ID numbers and take photos and run em before I bid.
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imao when you cut "sawzaw" or "chainsaw" anything out of a boat...that tells me "IT'S STOLEN"
evan if the hull is junk....you could get $100 $150 from a salvage yard.....if its cut up you can NOT !
I live in Mississippi the boat is in
Oregon, the engine is shot and has been sitting for 5 years (says the seller)
I really just want the diverter...my BIL will scrap the rest... If its legit then I get a deal on a diverter and an extra pump to trade sell etc... Hope it's not hot, and if it is, the cops will have then info and the owner will get his boat back!
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I have a 4 degree wedge on mine now....when I install should I keep it or???
If you have some sort of droop or nozzle spacer then a steer extension would be needed but not for your deal even with a wedge. The steer pin is going to be almost in the same location. The mounting on the diverter compensates to stock with no or little adjustment of steer tube.
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imao when you cut "sawzaw" or "chainsaw" anything out of a boat...that tells me "IT'S STOLEN"
evan if the hull is junk....you could get $100 $150 from a salvage yard.....if its cut up you can NOT !
I've never known rotted wood and fiberglass to have any scrap value
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If you have some sort of droop or nozzle spacer then a steer extension would be needed but not for your deal even with a wedge. The steer pin is going to be almost in the same location. The mounting on the diverter compensates to stock with no or little adjustment of steer tube.
I have no droop nor extension on my JG so that's cool. Thx
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I've never known rotted wood and fiberglass to have any scrap value
Junk is junk.... The hull is trashed. My BIL will evaluate and either junk
Or repair and sell the Trailer..... block heads metal / send me the pump and controls and gauges misc hardware ( if worth it)
if I can get it for what he's asking. Even with shipping cost it's a deal.
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If you got the time, cut the hull up in small enough pieces to fit in trash can for your weekly pick up and after a few weeks its all gone.
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If you got the time, cut the hull up in small enough pieces to fit in trash can for your weekly pick up and after a few weeks its all gone.
LOL. I'll pass that on....
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Ok. Here's a better shot of the pump/diverter.
Anyone see anything missing / damaged on the diverter?
The control is there also . Boat not stolen.
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Removal of diverter:
remove cable then pull connector where it attaches to the bowl correct?
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theres a ton of good documents here on CP Performance's website: http://www.cpperformance.com/t-installation_instructions.aspx (http://www.cpperformance.com/t-installation_instructions.aspx)
They are under the section Berkeley Jet Drives & More
It's not really hard, once you start digging into it, you will get a hang of how it pieces together. It might even help taking pictures along the way so you know how to put it back together.
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Thx for the link Brad....I appreciate the feedback and comments.
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why do u say the hull is trashed pics of what u can see look ok why not wrench it out n sell the hull for cheap before destroying a savable hull
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why do u say the hull is trashed pics of what u can see look ok why not wrench it out n sell the hull for cheap before destroying a savable hull
It might be a hull buts thats stretching the definition....it has more than one hole in the bottom.....anyway I'm in Ole Miss and the float is in Oregon..... And it is in bad shape..5 years of Outside uncovered ..... And from the little frozen lakes in the cylinders to the cut stringers at some point left open...I'm fairly confident the rainy weather has infiltrated all the wood as well
.... It's time for that hull to be recycled....it's a donor now.
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Update: I got the boat for $150.00!
Brother in Law and his son in
Law decided to keep the Trl for a platform to make a utility Trl . They are going to unbolt the pump and disassemble the diverter to send to me.
Then in a couple months ill have em ship the pump and gauges/ misc items to So-Cal for me to hold at a friends house for further evaluation or for trade/sale/ or donation.
Thanks for your thoughts and input.
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Here is final price...
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If you have some sort of droop or nozzle spacer then a steer extension would be needed but not for your deal even with a wedge. The steer pin is going to be almost in the same location. The mounting on the diverter compensates to stock with no or little adjustment of steer tube.
Mine is Just a stock JG with the wedge...that makes it simpler for me as my knowledge is limited ( obviously ) and very much appreciate the help.
I had lurked multiple sites before joining this one. It was the only one where I saw actual 'help' that seemed genuine.. and on a personal level the members interacted as friends...
Plus I am a bit of a smartass and saw I'd fit right in.. ;0)
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Dad's family has been in Jackson MS for several generations. My cousin still owns the Scanlon-Taylor Millworks. That won't get you much more than a cup of coffee, but I don't expect I will ever get back there. I'm 52 now and I've only been back twice. Dad had 9 brothers and sisters but only the oldest and the youngest are still living. Good luck in your boating adventures and congratulations on finding this place. You have it pegged right, good people willing to help on here and only a few 'tards. 8)
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Dad's family has been in Jackson MS for several generations. My cousin still owns the Scanlon-Taylor Millworks. That won't get you much more than a cup of coffee, but I don't expect I will ever get back there. I'm 52 now and I've only been back twice. Dad had 9 brothers and sisters but only the oldest and the youngest are still living. Good luck in your boating adventures and congratulations on finding this place. You have it pegged right, good people willing to help on here and only a few 'tards. 8)
That's cool....family.. I live just outside Tupelo...about an hour South of Memphis....moved here cuz I was tired of dealing with the craziness in Southern California....lived there for 40 of my 54 years .... Newport / Huntington / Redondo mostly.
I don't like traffic. LOL. Now it's a right out of the driveway ..4 miles...then a left and a right into my office. Sometimes I have to stop at the traffic light they put in 6 months ago.
If yer ever in Memphis, I know some good places to chow some BBQ .. I'll buy ya lunch.
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theres a ton of good documents here on CP Performance's website: http://www.cpperformance.com/t-installation_instructions.aspx (http://www.cpperformance.com/t-installation_instructions.aspx)
They are under the section Berkeley Jet Drives & More
It's not really hard, once you start digging into it, you will get a hang of how it pieces together. It might even help taking pictures along the way so you know how to put it back together.
Brad,
good stuff.....thanks !!! :thumbup:
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Brad,
good stuff.....thanks !!! :thumbup:
Glad it worked for you :thumbup:
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I had lurked multiple sites before joining this one. It was the only one where I saw actual 'help' that seemed genuine.. and on a personal level the members interacted as friends...
This is one of 6 forums im on for my hobbies and with out a doubt the best one. Unless your a complete a$$hat the regulars here have no problem helping out and giving you a hand. I have had issues with my projects and dudes here have given me there numbers and spent a few mins to a few hours on the phone given advise. Great people and alot of knowledge here.
Fat fingered from the phone- Corey
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Follow up: got the boat to my brother in laws house. Finally. ....there was a delay as seller first could not locate the titles for boat and trailer .but they were found and it is all clear!!!
...first he is going to remove the Place diverter and ship it to me..... Then pull the pump itself and I'll decide to either ship it to a friend in SoCal or here to my place in Ole Miss
Total : $150.00 for the boat and free for the tow to his house on my nieces husbands backhoe Trl.
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Follow up: got the boat to my brother in laws house. Finally. ....there was a delay as seller first could not locate the titles for boat and trailer .but they were found and it is all clear!!!
...first he is going to remove the Place diverter and ship it to me..... Then pull the pump itself and I'll decide to either ship it to a friend in SoCal or here to my place in Ole Miss
Total : $150.00 for the boat and free for the tow to his house on my nieces husbands backhoe Trl.
BIL has the boat and is gonna build/fix/use it no?
First off, let him keep the pump. You got a JG. I , and others, can hook you up with a nozzle to supply him if he doesn't wanna buy a PD yet. The pump does YOU no NO GOOD unless it happens to have a S/S impeller which I guarantee it don't.
Smokin' deal, I get that. At $150, you got the cheapest diverter in history. Let it go at that, direct the BIL to this site to fix what's left.
Just my .02....spend it as you like.......
Ray
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Thx Ray,
The only thing salvageable are donor parts ..... The hull is shot. The block is toast as well. There are a set of Hardin marine logs for a 455....... Possibly the gauges...... Not sure about fuel tanks yet.....helm....etc. BIL not interested in it,
Trailer:
It's a 2 axel Trl front hubs are burnt and frozen. He is going to check to see how much to RR the running gear on it,( depending on the overall road worthiness of it) either fix it and sell it or maybe convert it to a utility Trl for himself......or, keep everything that may be useful and scrap the rest.
So far as the pump, he said the impeller spins freely and old owner said it worked fine b4 the motor got smoked.
I figured to pull it and maybe sell it cheap or possibly donate it to someone looking for a JC. If not, it's aluminum and in Oregon they like to recycle so he may get a few bucks for it.
Like you observed, I only bought it for the diverter basically. It will be nice to have on my boat for this summer!
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Thx Ray,
The only thing salvageable are donor parts ..... The hull is shot. The block is toast as well. There are a set of Hardin marine logs for a 455....... Possibly the gauges...... Not sure about fuel tanks yet.....helm....etc. BIL not interested in it,
Trailer:
It's a 2 axel Trl front hubs are burnt and frozen. He is going to check to see how much to RR the running gear on it,( depending on the overall road worthiness of it) either fix it and sell it or maybe convert it to a utility Trl for himself......or, keep everything that may be useful and scrap the rest.
So far as the pump, he said the impeller spins freely and old owner said it worked fine b4 the motor got smoked.
I figured to pull it and maybe sell it cheap or possibly donate it to someone looking for a JC. If not, it's aluminum and in Oregon they like to recycle so he may get a few bucks for it.
Like you observed, I only bought it for the diverter basically. It will be nice to have on my boat for this summer!
I wouldn't worry about the Block so much. If KA heads, as most marine 455 engines had, could be a buck or two to be had there, as well as the Nodular crankshafts affiliated with that.
Lots of Hot Rod Olds folks out there lookin for that stuff bro'........... ;)
Ray
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Even if you butcher the transom to get the pump out, you'll still have to get the remaining transom off of the bezel. Might as well leave the transom on the boat so you're not chasing your work around the floor in the garage. Wedges, sharp putty knives and a twelve pack of :beer: then leave the hull behind your local Home Depot.
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I'll
Pass that on to
My BIL. Thanks!!!
LOL. Re: Home Depot ..... I like it!