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Random Boat Parts For Sale / Re: Bimini Top
« on: February 13, 2009, 12:55:16 AM »
SOLD, and picked up--I was just passing through.
It was good visiting with you this evening, Skip. Looking forward to meeting up with you at the lake this season.
Mark--"Sanger Pete"

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Boat Showcase / Re: 79 Hallett
« on: February 12, 2009, 09:09:49 AM »
Hey F4YL
Nice looking Hallett. It's good to see a few more boats from central Cal--looks like we're probably neighbors. We spend most of our time at Shaver, but also hit Pine Flat several times a year--mostly in the spring when there is more water and before it gets too hot. I also like to travel a bit--San Antonio and Elsinore with these scjb crazies, and Shasta, the delta, Berryessa, New Hogan with some of the Norcal boaters.
Mark--"Sanger Pete"

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Project Boats For Sale / Re: Project Boats on Craigslist
« on: February 08, 2009, 06:44:35 PM »
GT
In 1963, my grandmother bought one of the first chevelles--a white coupe/283/powerglide--and drove it less than 50,000 miles over about 25 years. In the 70s, I started telling her that whenever she wanted to sell it, I'd take it, and I reminded her regularly. Anyway, when she gave up driving, she ended up giving it to her son (my uncle) who took it up to Tahoe and wore it out.

I'm sure Andrew will eventually do the restore--thanks GT for the offer, and the contact, crewchief. He's kind of a "hands on" guy--maybe he'll give it to me when he's finished for being such a great dad.

And boost, man you got this boat disease bad!! Yeah, the blue sanger mini cruiser is a nice boat. We looked for several years to find it--it was always his "dream" boat--so I don't think he'll ever sell it. In fact this spring he is building a bigger motor to push it as fast as all your 18 footers. I think i will be a real sleeper--wanna race?

Mark--"Sanger Pete"

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Project Boats For Sale / Re: Project Boats on Craigslist
« on: February 08, 2009, 02:40:11 PM »
Hey GT
The chevelle belongs to Andrew (#2 son). He found it (and I paid for it) 7-8 years ago--literally out behind the barn in a rural area near Visalia. He still has dreams of restoring it some day. His first "car" was a 1965 el camino that he ran around in during high school--it was really ugly, but got it running pretty good. He sold it when he left home for school knowing that the chevelle was still here waiting. We have the "to sell or not to sell" conversation a couple of times a year, but as of right now, I think he's keeping it (in my side yard).
Mark--"Sanger Pete"

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Boats For Sale / Re: Craigslist & ebay boats
« on: February 07, 2009, 07:59:17 PM »
Here's another one near Fresno
http://fresno.craigslist.org/boa/1024901229.html

Not a boat, but an interesting craig's list item
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/bfs/1025237439.html

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Rail System
« on: February 03, 2009, 11:49:07 PM »
Yes, yes, but mainly it looks cool.

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Project Boats For Sale / Re: Project Boats on Craigslist
« on: February 03, 2009, 02:40:42 AM »
Yes, sometimes I feel like I have my own craigs list:
1968 18'-10" Sanger Flat--I think it's sold, but haven't seen any $$ yet


18' Hondo Jet--listed for sale in classified section


My 20' Sanger minicruiser v-drive


My son's 20' Sanger minicruiser jet


The Sanger super jet is gone (sold)


But the old chevelle (son's) is still here

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Project Boats For Sale / Re: Project Boats on Craigslist
« on: February 02, 2009, 09:44:29 PM »
I've got an old Sanger just like this one--next year's project. Don't have one good pic, but these will give you a peek.






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WarZone / Re: VACATION TRIP
« on: February 01, 2009, 08:23:52 PM »
Boost,
I told you before, you ought to try Shaver Lake. There are some really nice camp grounds (hot showers) with a number of sites within steps of the lake, reasonably priced motel rooms, and private cabin rentals for between $100 and $200 per night that will house 10-12 people. Summer highs are in the mid 80s, lows in the 50s, water temps are cool and refreshing, but comfortable, and the air is clear. Weekends on the lake are fairly busy, but during the week it is nearly empty except for fishing boats. The lake has about 2000 acres of surface area (compared to Elsinore's 3300 acres), but Shaver has more than twice the miles of shoreline (13) than Elsinore. There are 2 marinas on the lake and launching is free. It took me 4 hours to tow from my house to Azusa, and it's another hour to Shaver. Here are a few pics of the lake

View from above day use area


View of the dam


Lake views






If you have any questions, give me a call.
Mark--"Sanger Pete"
(559) 917-1785
markpete559@yahoo.com


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Engines / Engine Parts For Sale / wtb oval port BBC intake manifold
« on: February 01, 2009, 12:27:13 PM »
I'm looking for a cheap, oval port BBC, single carb, aluminum intake manifold. I have a 1966 396 sitting in pieces in my garage that I have unsuccessfully tried to sell. I figured that if I put all those parts together it would probably be easier to sell. However, I only have a rectangle port intake manifold--a GM dual plane aluminum (painted black)--that I could trade away. Don't mind dirty, don't really care about brand/model, primarily interested in price--cheap.

On the other hand, if you want to buy all my parts for your intake manifold, I'll sell them to you for $1500.

Mark--"Sanger Pete"
(559) 917-1785
markpete559@yahoo.com

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: MPH ???
« on: January 31, 2009, 04:15:43 PM »
Hmm, a real puzzle. Essentially you've lost approx 20 mph by adding a droop and PD. It seems to me that (1) the motor is OK--4500rpms @ 3500' elevation in a 21' boat sounds about right. (2) the pump is loading OK if you re getting a 100' roost 20' high. If the pump was cavitating, I think your rpms would be higher, and your speed even lower. I've had junk in my pump and had a very loose pump before, and the problem isn't from 30mph to 50 mph, it's from 0 to 15. (3) I'm not sure your boat could hold enough water to slow its speed by approx 20 mph unless it was more than ankle depth--and then it would be pretty noticable.

It sounds to me like something must be dragging in the water--maybe the droop, the box anchor, or like I read one time, "A guy went to the lake for the first time to run his new boat. He launched the boat , idled out and proceeded to run it around the lake. However, he was very disapponted with the top speed which was much lower than he had expected. Back at the ramp he found out that most people disconnect the boat from the trailer when they go boating." That old trailer was just causing too much drag.

I think I would take off the droop, although I've never seen one cause this much of a loss of speed.




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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: MPH ???
« on: January 31, 2009, 12:51:12 PM »
Hey Soonerfan
Saw your boat in a previous thread--looks good. You mentioned there that you took the boat to Perris. How did it run there? Similar rpms? Did it seem alot faster?

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: rpms
« on: January 31, 2009, 05:14:05 AM »
Hey Mike
I remember your boat now that I can see it. I met you up at Berryessa a few years ago with the Laid Back Boaters. I was driving the orange Nordic minicruiser, sitting under the bridge with Cas. I thought your boat ran really well with that panther.

I just read through this thread. My question would be what did the motor sound like at the 4200 rpms? Did it run strong right up to the 4200, or kind of "starve out" ? I had a similar experience in a sleekcraft that I put a good BBC (from another boat) into. Started right up, ran great on the trailer, but when I got to the lake, it wouldn't go above 4000 rpms. I fiddled with the timing, fuel filter, carb, an figured it needed a tune up. Took it home and it ran perfect on the trailer, but I changed the points (yes it was that long ago) and plugs. Went back to the lake and its back at 4000 rpms. I was about ready to pull the plug, when I decided to disconnect the fuel line from the tank and poke it down the fuel fill--whoa, all of a sudden I was getting 5200 rpms out of that little race boat. Turns out the screens in both tanks were clogged, and restricting the fuel flow. Fuel flow was fine at idle, and with no load on the pump, but not enough to feed the motor past the 4000 rpms in the water. All I had to do is take the sending tubes out of the tanks and replace the screens. Maybe you've already figured it out, but I thought I'd relate my experience.

Mark--"Sanger Pete"

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We ran one on a jet boat for several years, and I liked it--seemed to make sense to have it located up out of the bilge. However, the starters themselves are pretty expensive--I'm thinking around $300--and they turn backwards because of the reverse (top) mounting.

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Project Boats For Sale / Re: 1978 Bahner hull and trailer, FS
« on: January 29, 2009, 10:01:23 AM »
Do you have any pics of the interior--what is its condition? Does the sale include the jet pump, or are you kind of just "writing it off"?

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Boat Showcase / Re: My new boat....76 hondo bbf/wj
« on: January 28, 2009, 07:11:11 PM »
Wow Repo
You weren't kidding--great deal. That is the same hull I have and I think you'll love the ride. Typical Hondo forward/reverse installation on the stringer in front of the driver's seat. See Boost, that's what I was telling you about. Anyway congratulations on your new boat.
Mark--"Sanger Pete"

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Boats For Sale / Re: Hondo Jet Boat
« on: January 25, 2009, 08:58:18 PM »
I know Hondo was making this hull as early as 1973. I have a friend who bought one from Hondo that year. It had the same set up as this one--BBC/JacuzziWJ, and blue metal flake!!

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The No Wake Zone / Re: Managing Expectations
« on: January 23, 2009, 08:36:08 PM »
Welcome to jet boating. I bought my first jet boat in 1975--an 18' Omega (Tahiti) with a 455 Olds. I ran the heck out of it (5000+ rpms, jumping wakes, racing, etc) because I didn't know any better, and it never let me down in the 5 years I had it. It would run in the low 60s--because we didn't have GPS, we had to run it over a measured mile at the lake. These full speed runs for just under 60 seconds should have exploded the motor according to internet conventional wisdom, butthey didn't. In the 1990s I had a 21' Fresno cruiser with a 455/berkley. When I bought it, it had 17 seasons on it and would run in the low 50s at 4800 rpms. Over the next 8 years, we ran it probably 1000 hours, did nothing to it except oil changes and tune ups, and it lost about 75 rpms each year, until we finally just wore it out.

I would guess that you should be able to hit 55-60 MPH, depending on your motor and the condition of your pump. It'd be a good idea to get a working tach so you can see what the motor is doing. I noticed in your pic that the carb looks pretty small, which could restrict full throttle rpms. I ran a Holley 3310. Then if your rpms go too high compared to the speed (i.e. 48 MPH at 5000rpms) then your pump needs attention.

The most important thing though is to go to the lake and have fun. I know that many of my 4 kids (they're all in there 20s and out on their own) best memories are of the times we spent at the lake playing together.

Again, welcome and hope to see you at the lake this season.
Mark--"Sanger Pete"

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Miscellaneous / Spam / Re: 460 TT header
« on: January 21, 2009, 07:34:39 PM »
Wow, good price.  I sold a set for  a BBC last spring for $450.

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Boats For Sale / Re: Hondo Jet Boat
« on: January 20, 2009, 09:37:20 PM »
Repo
Wow, Boost is sure fast on the keyboard. As you may have guessed, he was the previous owner and I'm sure knows more about the boat than I do. Back seat leg room is not bad, and front seat is pretty good--I'm 6' tall and it was very comfortable for me. Although the boat is new to me, I actually have spent a significant amout of time in a Hondo hull with a BBC/Jacuzzi WJ just like this one--a good friend bought a new one from Hondo in the early 70s. You're right, the hulls have some real classic lines, but also the bottoms seem to allow the boats to run on top of the water, rather that "in" the water like most of the 70's "production" boats. It would make you a fine "summer toy". Give me a call, and we can figure out how get it from my place to your's.

Mark--"Sanger Pete"
(559) 917-1785
markpete559@yahoo.com

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The No Wake Zone / Re: This is river season related
« on: January 20, 2009, 04:46:46 PM »
I was at Ming years ago and Dan Pastorini was driving, I think, a blown gas flat. As he went through the lights, he hit a wake/wave and when the boat came down, he was laying next to the seat on his back, legs up, head almost under the dash. The lanyard killed the motor, but the boat still headed toward the shore, but stopped short of crashing. I think he broke some ribs--pretty crazy--I wish I had a real picture other just than in my memory.

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Boat Showcase / Re: 1976 Eliminator AKA Purple Nurple
« on: January 19, 2009, 10:10:26 PM »
Here are a couple of Elsinore pics for you, Boost.




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Hulls / Re: Cheetah jet boat
« on: January 13, 2009, 08:50:05 AM »
Welcome Patrick--nice to see another central ca boater on the site. If your Cheetah is between 16' and 17' long, I have a friend who had the same hull. It ran great (mid 60s) with the basically stock 455 olds that came with it, but got pretty scary when he put in a 700hp BBC. He actually put the olds back in and found a new hull for his chevy. So, it'll never be a race boat, but could be a solid lake toy. What are your plans for power?

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The No Wake Zone / Re: Barn stored Miller
« on: January 12, 2009, 10:08:44 PM »
Quote
Viola!!! Funny stuff cant belive it started up after all this time !! Tom

Yeah, those darn oldsmobiles.

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The No Wake Zone / Re: Tom Papp memorial 1/10/09
« on: January 12, 2009, 09:55:35 PM »
I got a few pics--here you go Boost.








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