Look me up when you do, My Sport Fury craves the stuff! Check PM's

Ray

Yes, buy some fuel! Your price is good and fair, great actually in drum size! if I'da built my engine to require it, you'd be sending a truck tio Casa Grande, lol.  I paid $8.50 a gallon at the dragstrip here a few weeks ago!

So good, smoking deal guys, really, despite the oil company robbery, but when they got you by the balls, oh well.

Ray

Theres some good info in there. If the contrainer is truely sealed (0 air, in a vacuum) I could see how that would be the case. however, how I read and understand that the fuel airates and the adams start to seperate and do different things becouse of the o2.

As far as price, Is there more production process in 91 and higher then there is in 86? I would think you are paying for the production and the lab time to make it correct. in other words, it takes more effort to produce  1 gallon of 91 and higher then 86 or diesel correct?

Good assumption, and normal, but nope. 

The reason is oil companies make MORE from the by products and lubricants than they do from gasoline. I shoulda made that clearer. Gasoline is a "Loss Leader", those of you with retail bacground know what that is.

So, hence, the more they can pull out of a barrel of oil as by products, the more profit they can make. Anyone remember the days when Premium was 98 octane? Even when unleaded became the norm?

The truth is, it takes far LESS effort and refining to make 91 octane than say 86 ( if I remember right, like 14 more steps to make regular over premium). BUT, what they make off what they get outta the difference is VERY profitable. Think of it this way. Ever hear the Candle companies or Johnson Wax Bitch when crude prices go through the roof? No. The Oil companies NEVER pass on their costs to them, and if they do, it ain't much.  Anyone every hear of a can of Pledge doubling or tripling in price to say $10 overnight when the Saudis decide they need a new mercedes fleet? Nope.

No. We pay at the pump so big companies do not have to charge other big companies to pay more for their by products.

When we complain about gas prices, look at the profits they are making. We don't underdstand that we are covering the increased oil proices for big companies that  profit most from the by product materials the big oil companies produce. They rarely pay a penny more than  they have for years for their stuff!

As far as gasoline and octane is concerned, think of it like backward wire guages, less is more refining, and more is less.

Ray

Man this thread has taken a political and economics educational twist, lol Sorry!!!! Talk about a jack!

i got a barrel of 110 in my garage that was purchased in late october....how long can it sit before it starts to go bad?

Brad, I grew up in oil country, and did service work at both Pennzoil and Quaker States national HQ when they were both in Oil City, Pennsylvania (They've both since left to Texas, but back then, they were literally less than a block from each other).Learned a lot from those guys. Both main refineries were there in Reno, Pa and Emlenton, PA.

Here's the deal on octane, as I understand it from the chemical engineers at both companies. The higher the octane, the LESS pure the fuel is, and hence more resistant to detonation, because of the waxes and other stuff in there. The reason high octane (or premium) fuel is more expensive is because the oil companies get less by product per barrel they can also sell, like the parafine wax, etc. HIgh octane fuels have long had the stigma of being "More purified" or "hopped up", and that is simply not the case. Your regular, or 86-88 octane fuel is actually far more purified than the premium 91 stuff.

So, IMHO, to spend $5 a gallon or (gasp) $7 a gallon for the stuff is rediculous. Why is Diesel (FAR less purified than 108 octane racing gas) more expensive than premium at the gas station? 100 or more octane gasoline should REALISTICALLY cost somewhere between premium pump gas and pump diesel, as that is truly all it really is. Nascar and NHRA must be outta their minds to be supporting this.

As far as how long you can keep it, indefinately, if fully sealed in the drum, just shake the shit out of it before you use it if it sits for a long time. (How long do they store it in the "reserves" What's stored in the national reserves is purified fuel, not crude, as most think.

And you guys now know where the Billion dollar oil conpany executive bonus money comes from.

Ray

Sorry to thread jack you on your fuel sale, this has nothing at all to do with what your costs are, really.

Here's the installed scoop.  You can see the wingnuts and carb base adapters. Hopefully you have those. The bases are also slotted, so the scoop needs to be fully tightened into place where you want it before you start installing/adjusting the linkage. But assembly is pretty easy. put on the bases, air cleaners or flame arrestors, tighten down making sure the bases remain straight, then drop the scoop on and attach it with the stell straps and wingnuts. Then  install and adjust the linkage. The lever for the butterfly's is a splined shaft and the linkage is adjustable, so infininate possiblities exist with it. I like mine, although the butterflies and linkage arm are in for a titty pink anodizing, lol.






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Sounds good to me, wont be no killin going on... Im getting to old for that shiat

I don't think you're any older than  me Steve, so knock that sheit off! 

'Sides, it's all a state of mind anyway, in which case, I'm like, what? 14?

Ray

Good looking ride there 2sav. No more 'yota? Or is in on yard detail?

Ray

There shoulda been an adapter, or 2 for dual carbs, (Look like an air cleaner base), two long straps with 4 holes each and 8 wingnuts with it. If not, look up the Scoop at Summit, they have the adapter kits in stock last I checked. (Was gonna adapt mine to single carb, but put the tunnel on instead.)

Ray

Was a really fun ride out there today. Although my brother never showed to bring up the Blue Meanie ( Aka Blue my wad), we ran the Moo boat all day long without a real hiccup. Did seem to be running on 6 cylinders at idle when we pulled into the marina, which seemed odd. Pulled back out of the no wake zone alone while my bud and my kids got the truck, and it ran balls out just fine. Still did it when I came back in. Maybe it's uneven idle is catching up with it, I dunno. I'll check plugs and crap tomorrow, but I'm thinking the baffles had a little bit to do with it (They're coming back out, just so everyone knows, lol, the " worst lake in Az for noise restrictions", yeah, saw 4 other jet boats, none had baffles in their OT's, to hell with that!)

Still didn't get her opened up. Too rough out there with the wind and wake barges, but still a nice lake. Did light it up a few times, but could only sustain around 3000 or so rpm (4000 on one burst) , This thing does NOT like really rough water! Aired it out a couple of times. I can see now why the kids are afraid of it, lol. The boat wants to run, no doubt about it, but is picky about its water. Not a good thing, I'm thinking. Maybe the diverter will help that.

But was fun! Great lake were it not for the wake barges!

Ray

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Hadda do it! And I'm not gionna say I told you so\, lol  (Sounds like an ex-wife huh?)

Oh wow that's cool, lol

Ray

Boost is trading up, methinks! Dunno why, but that is a NICE BOAT!, Nicer than mine, and I'm jealous.

Ray

Steve, U gonna get that thing wet this weekend?

Ray