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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 09, 2014, 10:46:44 PM »

No color sand complete paint job. With some glass work and a new interior  It is around 800 hp off the bottle. It's on a 250 -   300 shot now.  The motor was built by Bostick for NOS.  It is my four seater family boat  with a attitude.

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I've talked to Bostick twice about building me an engine when it comes time and now that the Gen V in question is out, looks like I'm back on the idea of just having the motor I want built instead of trying to find a deal on something already together


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Gen V 454
« on: December 09, 2014, 02:42:56 PM »
I imagine I would still have to build the bottom end pretty stout to handle either the juice or boost

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 09, 2014, 02:42:25 PM »

Sorry about that my phone went crazy.  I was saying to try pump gas 496 with a 250 shot.

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That's not necessarily a bad idea either...  Then it's pretty tame most of the time just cruising around until I open the bottle, hit the switch and floor it for some short sandbar drags


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:28:09 PM »

The beautiful thing about the huffer is that it relaxes the cylinder head/cam portion of the game. Just a wee bit.

The bottom end still needs to be built like a brick crapper though.


Good luck in the project. Looking forward to it.

GT
What block would you recommend I start with to build said 'brick crapper'?  Would a 4 bolt mark IV do the trick?


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:21:33 PM »
Thank you for all the replies and info...  Looks like I need to lower my expectations a bit.  I do like the idea of running a supercharger, I'll start my new plan off that.  A pump gas, supercharged 496 sounds like what I need


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:57:27 PM »

I agree, a bonneville is not the best choice for a go fast boat.... Unless it's a TR.


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👎  Nope, just an 18' bubble deck


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:52:24 PM »


You are out of your mind if you think you will be doing triple digits in a Bonneville...   :screwy: :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

IMHO you are staring a 85-90 MPH boat right in the face. Anything over that and you will be able to smell your angels perfume...

Don't hate, just trying to reel in your expectations a little.

BTW, not impossible, just need to keep really good notes and get familiar with these guys I know. Mr. Trial and Dr. Error...

GT
Well that sucks, I thought Rogers could handle speed.  Although I'm pretty sure if I got it 90-95 ish I'd be more than happy...  Of course, I've never ridden in a boat that fast so I might be completely happy with 75-80?


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:41:18 PM »


75 HP out of 35 cubes? Interesting.

The word that shut it down for me was "Inexpensive".

I can tell you this, 700 HP would be tuned to the gnats ass and on the ragged edge. You could not cheat on one single part. A 496 would have to turn near 5,800 RPM+ to make those numbers. Not sure reliability would be there. This does not sound like a quarter miler, but more of a river racer.

GT
I was thinking I wanted to be able turn close to 6000 rpm (according the berk impeller chart, and I read in a post where you said on average anything over about 6200 rpm caused problems) and you are correct, a river racer...  I wouldn't be running it there often, I just want the option to kick some ass every now and again...  You know, cruise to the sand bar and then make a few hot laps and then cruise back type of thing


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:34:22 PM »

Depends on a few things, but I would say a pump gas 496 with a blower set up right would be good for a reliable 800 HP.

I fear anything else would be,for lack of a better term,  temporary.

Not meaning any offense. Just attempting to keep it real.

GT

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No see, THATS what I'm talking about!  No offense taken, I appreciate your advice...  more than you know!


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:30:08 PM »


What hull?


Over 100 in what hull?

GT

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74 Rogers Bonneville
SS A/B impeller


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 08, 2014, 09:33:37 PM »

700 huh?.

Is that all?

We had be built 12.25 :1 marathon motors with nothing but the best in parts spent thousands of dollars, hours tuning and playing with different cams and combos of parts and came up to approximately 600 horse on spec fuel (at the time it was Jet 106). Granted it was not tuned to the ragged edge, but I doubt seriously there was another 100 ponies hiding in it.

Good luck.

I think 500-550 is way more realistic naturally aspirated.

JMHO.

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If 500-550 is a realistic number NA then I have no problem using a supercharger.  I dig the look anyway!  Ok, so what are some realistic numbers I can expect with some boost?


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Gen V 454
« on: December 08, 2014, 09:24:20 PM »
Wow, well 700hp is getting pretty serious in a boat, but on pump gas that may be streching it a bit. Why so much?, Do you want this naturally or are you going blown? HP above a certain level doesn't come cheap or easy, you have to really work for it. Although those numbers can be achieved always remember reliability is going to suffer. There is always a sacrafice when you build an engine to produce impressive power. What it's going to come down to is how much power can you afford to build. From this originating thread you were looking to get your hands on a long block assembley for roughly $2,000, that most likely would of been worthless to produce numbers like that. To be quite honest your looking at a cost of $8,500-9,500 for a quality engine that is assembled from scratch by someone that knows what they are doing, then dyno tune it, that's the ONLY way to find out what the engine needs as far as timing, air/fuel ratio ect...Just my two cents worth from the years that I have been doing this, but I don't know what your budget is, that dictates alot.
I wanna go fast  lol  I didn't think 600 hp would get me the ability to do triple digits but I could be wrong.  Right now a complete build budget isn't there which is why I was trying for something inexpensive but once escrow closes on my house I'll be able to build exactly what I want.  You guys know WAY MORE than I on this subject so give me your opinions...  I have 4 major things I'm wanting...  A nasty sounding idle, pump gas friendly, as reliable as possible and lots of HP!  Sounds easy enough, right?!  Haha  So give me your thoughts on how much HP I can expect ...


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 08, 2014, 01:50:00 PM »
Thanks!  Yeah, somewhere around a 496.  I'm wanting about as much HP as I can get on pump gas, I was thinking around 700hp would do me good.  I'm in Riverside so not far from Ontario at all


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The No Wake Zone / Re: What did you do to your boat today?
« on: December 07, 2014, 09:13:19 PM »

joshes Rogers is a nice piece 👍


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Is that the far boat in the pic?


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 07, 2014, 09:07:32 PM »
Yeah...  Supposedly the guy got it from his buddy who got it from his dad and then the dad/son had a falling out so he can't get any specific info from the dad who built it...  I'm guessing that's why he's selling it so cheap since he doesn't have all the specs but I could be wrong.  My plan was to c/o the cam, intake and heads anyway and eventually put in a stroker crank.  I was looking for a decent long block and thought this might work


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:17:35 AM »
Here's the engine...  Guy started at $2500 and dropped it to $2000 obo and he's including a stand and hoist (which I don't need either) so if I could get it for around $1700 I thought that was a good start...  What are your thoughts?


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:09:19 AM »
This is my tank selector I made using ball valves


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Gen V 454
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:03:21 AM »
I have never had an electric pump fail pulling from the top.

Just remember to pull the anti-siphon valves and install ball valves instead. Also, the oil pressure switch is an absolute must.

Put a screen filter in front of the pump and push through a water separator.

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A little more help if possible...  What and where is an 'anti-siphon valve'?  Oil press switch?

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Gen V 454
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:00:41 AM »

Is this an engine you have already purchased for your change over?
I didn't get it because of the fact there was no mech fuel pump location  👎


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Gen V 454
« on: December 06, 2014, 11:19:12 PM »
You're correct with a GEN V engine you will have to use an electric pump, The Holley blue pump is a good pump and will feed an engine up to about 600 hp, and yes it should be gravity fed to make life easier on it. When I built my boat I did elect to go with a Holley mechanical marine 130 gph pump, but I have a 1978 Mark IV ,I like simplicity and I am more of a fan of mechanical items when I can get away with it, just to make it more fool proof. I have had some issues with electric pumps in the past, a mechanical pump can last for twenty years...
That's exactly the same reason I want to run mechanical...  I currently have a mildly built Pontiac engine and an electric fuel pump and want to ditch the whole setup in favor of a BBC running a mechanical fuel pump but came across the engine in question at what I felt was a good deal.  When I went to look at the engine, I didn't realize it didn't have a mech fuel pump boss and was quite disappointed once I got there


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Gen V 454
« on: December 06, 2014, 10:09:11 PM »
I found a newly rebuilt 454 with a Gen V block, I was wanting to run a mech fuel pump engine but there isn't a boss on the block so I'd have to run an electric.  My question is...  How many are running an electric fuel pump?  I have a brand new Holley Blue pump, how well will it pull fuel from the tanks when my fuel lines are on top of the tanks?  It was my understanding that the pump is supposed to be mounted below the tank level so it is gravity fed and will then push fuel to the carb, which seems impossible with my lines on top.  Any guidance is GREATLY appreciated

-Dustin


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Boats For Sale / Re: Craigslist & ebay boats
« on: November 22, 2014, 10:16:53 AM »

That boy's bumped his head if he thinks a bare hull is going to get him 2g's. :screwy:
Sounds reasonable for a Rogers!


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Cars / Automobiles For Sale / Re: Dolly trailer frame
« on: November 19, 2014, 06:47:07 PM »
Thanks a bunch Jason!  Was great meeting you!


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Random Boat Parts For Sale / Re: FS: Trailer wheels
« on: November 16, 2014, 01:32:58 AM »
I'll be driving thru Corona going from Riverside to Elsinore on my way to pick up a trailer frame so let me know when you're available and I'll pick em up!!


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Project Boats For Sale / Re: Looking to sell or trade for day cruiser
« on: November 12, 2014, 08:43:29 PM »
That scoop is KILLER!


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