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The No Wake Zone / Re: Headers
« on: April 17, 2009, 11:35:12 PM »
HD, there are many many more... :screwy:

Beach towels, ice chests, plastic tool boxes, flip flops, ignition wires, bilge pump hoses, timing light pickups, duffle bags, ski flags, knee boards, bugs, oil...LOL

 ;D don't ask me why I know this though   :sly:

GT

 Just say you've seen it happen to other peoples boats (after you clean the melted plastic off your headers).  That's what I do.  ;)

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Too much , too little
« on: April 15, 2009, 01:33:53 AM »
Not to thread jack, if I am, but what ever happened to the Predator Variable venturi carbs? They were all the rage and everywhere in the 80's? Seems to me a design like that would solve everything, no?

Ray

Update, just checked their website. They're still around. Not very technologically advanced, judging by the website, but might be interesting to experiment with this, lol. Bid on a used one on Ebay. Just to see one, really, might find a use for it if I get it.

Apparently, very limited production. Kinda like the Seecamp .32 automatics everyone wants.

 I seriously thought about a pair of those for my motor, but was told they don't like manifolds with dividers in the plenum unless you mount them sideways.  Something about the way the fuel bar works  ??? ???.  Oh well, I'm sure my new (to me) 660s will do the job.  ;)

I do know that you will learn as you go and that sometimes the same thing won't work twice. I really wish I understood that........

Like I said origionally, grain of salt   ;D

GT

 All I know is, if we ever stop learning new things its time to do something different.  And every time I start that stupid OB the fumes make me dumber.   :P

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Too much , too little
« on: April 14, 2009, 09:46:12 PM »
I like it, but not really, the 1.5"hg is only true if the engine makes peak load, that being said, if you start to run out of camshaft (volumetric efficiancy drops off) your going to get faulty info on your vacuum gauge and read it like it is overcarbed, when in reality it is turning too damn fast (too much RPM for the engine to use).

The debate would be, is the carb matched to the engine? AND is the engine matched to the load?. Let's make an example of a stock 454 with a super mild cam and put a 800 CFM carb on top of it, now run the engine with a "C" impeller and run WOT which should bring the engine RPM to 5,500 RPM or so, you will have less than 1.5"hg under the carb but the engine would be completely out of it's comfortable VE and not gain any HP, would probably lose HP...Now there could be two possible "fixes" (probably more, but lets keep it simple) 1. Valvetrain/camshaft change to get the motor to use the higher RPM. 2. taller or bigger impeller to lower the RPM at WOT, either should get you closer, but a carb would not fix anything...

Now take the same 454 with baseball sized ports and rediculous valves and the gnarliest cam money could buy, same 800 CFM carb. this time use a "AA" impeller (not bringing up an "HH" because most of us won't see one for a while ;D ). At WOT the motor may make 5,500 RPM again but will be under a tremendous load causing a false vacuum reading again (call it less than 1.5"hg), so is it over carbed or overloaded?

There is a lot to selecting the proper size and type of carb/carbs. and a lot of info. needs to be taken into consideration, I like the trial and error method myself, a vacuum gauge, AF ratio meter and cylinder pyrometer or if headers an infra red thermometer are very useful tools to get you there. Which is why on an everyday non race mill I like a spread bore vacuum secondary, they will literally only pull in what it can use (providing it's set up right..).

Not trying to start any shiat, just joining in the discussion....(I think the term "grain of salt" should apply   ;)

GT

 OK GT,  "grain of salt" taken.

 Now lets assume were not stupid enough to run our motors that far out of there intended operating ranges (well most of us  ::)). Obviously we need to swap those impellers around and try again. 

 Now the monster 454 has the "C" impeller and is turning 6500rpm (its intended rpm range). it still has the same 800 CFM carb and shows, lets say 2"hg on the vacuum gauge. Sense the motor is in its intended operating rpm range the high vacuum reading would mean it wants more carb,  resulting in more power.

 And now the stocker has the "AA" impeller and is running at 4500rpm (its intended rpm range) and shows 1"hg on the gauge.  I would think it might benefit from a bit smaller carb, that might have better velocity resulting in better fuel atomization. 

At least that's how its been explained to me.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Header water injection
« on: April 13, 2009, 12:30:25 AM »
 I've never had one, but I thought the idea was to leave it open and let the Basset valve control the on and off, and use the other valve to control the amount of water.   :-\ 

 I say coat the headers and run them dry  >:D  Loud pipes save lives !! 

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Header water injection
« on: April 12, 2009, 08:24:39 PM »
Sorry too osbo68,
 I didn't intend to confuse things here.  The easiest and safest way to do it is with the Basset valve and valve you ordered.  Like everyone says, its a good safe way to do things.  ;)

"Junk" was a bad choice of words on my part   ;)

Thanks Jeff  ::)  :D

 Love ya Stevie  :-* :-* , now get back to work on YOUR boat (not your father in laws)

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Header water injection
« on: April 12, 2009, 05:36:26 PM »
get the manual and a new T valve cause what you have now is JUNK!!! ;)
Easy there Stevie,  as SLCKREG said there's lots of ways to plump a jet boat.  I had my Lancer done something like this for many years and never had a problem with water in the oil at idle.  It had full water flow to the injection lines (no Basset valve), the injection lines were plugged and then drilled out just enough to get a slight mist of water out of the weep holes at idle.  I might add that it was like this from when it was built in 2000 until it came apart last year, and the headers still look new except for the area between the heads and the injection lines.  I was told to do it that way by an old timer that explained that it takes very little water to save the chrome and that the more water you run through the headers the more backpressure your adding.

 I'm not saying anybodys way is right or wrong, just that there are other ways to do things.  ;)

882
 Could also be worn / corroded contacts in the ignition switch.  My Lancer did this 2yrs ago.  It would just shut its self off, as soon as you touched te key it would have power again.

883
Boat Showcase / Re: Is there a 12-step program..........
« on: April 09, 2009, 12:10:59 AM »

Screw the 12 steps, save them all from people on this site (that will remain nameless) from taking them to the dump!  :sly:


 Who would do something like that.  :sly:


 Nice find IRRebel.  It looks just like the one my parents had, back in the day.   Ours had windows on the side panels over the fuel tanks so you could see how much fuel was in there.   

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Interior / Re: Steering cable
« on: April 08, 2009, 07:53:43 PM »
My column is standard length. I would appreciate if you would check that out.
I just checked it, it turns but its verry stiff.  Even I wouldnt use it and I'm a cheap ###.  ;)

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Hulls / Re: glassed in speaker box
« on: April 08, 2009, 09:01:54 AM »
AQUAHOLIC, I had 2 10"s glassed in under my bow and there were no problems except the fact that every trip out I ended up picking up at least one gauge bracket off the floor (it rattled them loose).  Good luck with your project.   

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The No Wake Zone / Re: Auto/Motorcycle enclosed transport
« on: April 07, 2009, 08:10:16 PM »
 I was just going to ask if it would fit a boat.  ::)

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Interior / Re: Steering cable
« on: April 07, 2009, 08:03:39 PM »
I have the same system and its just about locked up solid. I pulled it last night and am in need of the cable. Anyone happen to have one? I wrote down my lengths but forgot them at the house Im pretty sure it was 16' from the cable end to end of rack but ill look forsure tonight.

Thanks in advance
Daniel

 I have one of these systems in the old/used parts pile,  I'll check to see if its any good.  But if you have standard length steering column I wound just replace the whole thing.   

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The No Wake Zone / Re: Floor repair
« on: April 06, 2009, 01:02:28 AM »
"Propless"--the Jack Kavorkian of dying jet boat hulls. Look in the yellow pages under "Have sawsall, will travel." I got one--what do you charge?

 Mark, I work for parts.  ;) ;D

 Are you almost ready to do that "floor repair" on yours too ? 

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The No Wake Zone / Re: Floor repair
« on: April 05, 2009, 11:45:57 PM »
Thank gawd that wasn't the Lancer! 

 It might be next on the wall if someone doesn't buy it.  ;)



Is a trailer rebuild the next tutorial? ;D

Ray


That's a good idea  ;D .  I could show my method of removing surface rust.............. with a sawzall  >:D


 BTW, I forgot to mention, if your going to attempt this method of floor repair,  have lots of extra saw blades.   ;) ;D
I have to admit that I was a bit leary of proppy's method, but I have to say that it is much easier to work on the floor without the pesky top in the way. I will do all of my boats this way from now on. Thanks Proppy for makin a difference and helpin out the newbs 1 boat at a time. O0

 I should also mention, that the man with the saw in his hand is none other than the infamous Ironman himself.  Thanks for the help Billy !!  But it looks like we might have another "floor repair" to do over at Sangerpete's house.  Hopefully we dont find any of those scuff marks on the bottom of that one too.  >:D >:D

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Project Boats For Sale / Re: Proppy's boat sale
« on: April 05, 2009, 05:58:20 PM »
 Actualy no, but its just like this pic of the flat (same year, same builder). If you look at he hull compaired to the trailer you can see how much it curves up at the transom, and actually you can see that the entire length of the hull is curved .  It does that all the way across the boat. 

 

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The No Wake Zone / Floor repair
« on: April 05, 2009, 05:41:55 PM »
 Well I figured I would post this up for all the new guys that might need some info about how to fix a bad floor.    Its very common for the floors in our boats to get soft / rotten after time, lets face it there not getting any newer  :-\.  The project boat today is a Tahiti with a badly rotten floor (and other issues).

 Step one, gather together the tools you will be needing.  That way you don't have to stop and go looking for something in the middle of the job.

 

 Step two, remove everything you can from the hull, motor, seats, carpet, pump, etc, etc, etc. basically you want to have a bare hull to work with.

 

 Step three, I have found (in my many years of experience  ::)) that its easier to do this if you give yourself some working room by removing the unneeded parts of the hull that might get in your way. So I always prefer to separate the two halves of the hull first.  This is quite easy to do with a Skill saw, but you choice of saws is your decision.   

 

 Step three, Now that you can start to see the problem areas your almost ready to remove the old floor.  Although I have found that a bit more trimming will make the job even easier. So go ahead and make some stress cuts down the sides and remove the sides of the hull also, its only fiberglass and can be fixed easily later.   This will give you much better access to the floor. It also helps at this point to have a friend around to help, some of these parts are heavy.

 

 Step four, By now you will be almost ready to fix your floor.  But, while your at it I would recommend removing the hull from the trailer at this point.  Its a great time to put a fresh coat of paint on the trailer.   So just flop it over on the dirt and continue on.  This will also get all that fiberglass dust out of the hull.

 

 Unfortunately at this time we found some scuff marks on the bottom and decided this beauty is going to be just to much work to make the floor repair worth doing.  Its a sad thing because the floor repair was going soooooo well  >:( .   

 

 I did manage to save the front of the bow and am going to mount it on my garage wall (or over the fireplace) like a boat hunters version of a moose head  >:D


 

 

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Project Boats For Sale / Re: Proppy's boat sale
« on: April 05, 2009, 05:00:02 PM »
 Correct, Its like the bottom of a rocking chair. It makes the hull want to rock back and carry the bow high. 

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Project Boats For Sale / Re: Proppy's boat sale
« on: April 05, 2009, 03:36:02 PM »
 Tahiti is gone  >:D

 

 Think I might part out the flat (not sure yet),  I checked it out today and found out it has a 10deg V-drive in it and 7 deg prop shaft angle (the good stuff, from what I'm told), so its off the list for now.  ;)

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Boat Showcase / Re: Mach 1 "2.0"
« on: April 04, 2009, 09:12:10 AM »
aww man...not on my site!  ;)

j/k...congrats tom...whats your plans?

LOL, I knew that was coming   ;)

 Good luck Tom,  I love these project threads.   ;D

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Audio / Re: Jet boat stereo
« on: April 04, 2009, 01:31:34 AM »
 Where did this section come from ??


 Oh,  I get it,  now that Brad has a daycruiser we get an audio section  ::)

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Boats For Sale / Re: V-drive Hondo needs love
« on: April 03, 2009, 10:37:58 PM »
 Hmmmmmmmmmm    :)

897

 Just put it back together.   Those Chevys never run on all 8 anyway.    :screwy: ;D

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Project Boats For Sale / Re: Proppy's boat sale
« on: April 03, 2009, 07:03:52 PM »
PM me and let me know what you want for the flat!!

 Mark,
 Ill be out there Sunday to get the measurements you wanted, so we both know whats there.  I was out there last night but it was to dark to check much. 

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Project Boats For Sale / Re: Proppy's boat sale
« on: April 03, 2009, 03:14:19 AM »
You go Jefe' geeze your lookin like Cal Worthington ! (used vehicles)  ;) You need my Ultra , buy it and put some more HP in that puppy you'll run triples ! Tommy

 Not realy interested in the Ultra Tom, but we could talk about some trades for that ogange tunnel thats been sitting upside down in your parking lot for wayyyyyy to long.  ;D

 Come on guys, make some offers,  The Lancer is a decent little boat.  Drop in a junk yard 460 and be on the water.  The YJ pump will be fine with stock power, and it comes with a buildable Berkeley JC if you want to swap it.   

 If nobody claims the Tahiti by Sunday its going to get the sawzall.

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Project Boats For Sale / Re: Proppy's boat sale
« on: April 01, 2009, 09:04:01 PM »
You already have the perfect boat............just needs a jet. >:D Unless your going drag racing or something :sly:

 The 21 is just bigger and will take more power to the same thing as a 19.  But I am going to try to save it as the last one to go, just in case.  ;)

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