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ka0tyk

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #275 on: October 02, 2013, 08:59:06 PM »
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steves86ta

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #276 on: October 02, 2013, 09:01:45 PM »
I have a stainless 3 blade 21 you can try out. Also have a 19

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carrera202

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #277 on: October 02, 2013, 09:04:12 PM »
Boat looks really really good man great job


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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #278 on: October 02, 2013, 09:31:12 PM »

 T minus ____? to launch...

 can you take another from the bow   :thumbup:
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #279 on: October 02, 2013, 11:53:17 PM »
That is one sexy interior   :thumbup: :thumbup:

Also FYI.

A 23" pitch propeller using 12% slip for calculation purposes (optimistic) at 4600 RPM will yield a top speed of approximately 55 MPH.

The same speed with a 21" the same speed would yield a 5100 RPM.  No bueno.

GT
  • Boat #1: 1992 Carrera 20.5 Elite (I/O bitches)
  • Boat #2: 19' Bubble deck Jet BBC Berkeley
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #280 on: October 03, 2013, 08:10:14 AM »
Is that really close? It's a big block... my 21 with a bb/dominator does 58 at 5100. I would think that boat with a drive on it propped right would do well into mid 60s.

My dads old hallett 330hp bb (Bravo 1 though) was faster than mine at his 4700 rpm. Mirage 3 blade stainless 21.
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #281 on: October 03, 2013, 01:40:16 PM »
Is that really close? It's a big block... my 21 with a bb/dominator does 58 at 5100. I would think that boat with a drive on it propped right would do well into mid 60s.

My dads old hallett 330hp bb (Bravo 1 though) was faster than mine at his 4700 rpm. Mirage 3 blade stainless 21.

Hence the gear ratio change.

Edit: I suspect this thing will want about a 25" pitch depending on how much grunt is available.

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« Last Edit: October 03, 2013, 01:49:06 PM by GT Jets »
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #282 on: October 03, 2013, 04:13:53 PM »
That is one sexy interior   :thumbup: :thumbup:

Also FYI.

A 23" pitch propeller using 12% slip for calculation purposes (optimistic) at 4600 RPM will yield a top speed of approximately 55 MPH.

The same speed with a 21" the same speed would yield a 5100 RPM.  No bueno.

GT

So, a bbc @ 48-4850, spinning a 'AA', in a 21', in the mid 50's would be similar in performance to the tahiti project?

Dan'l
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #283 on: October 03, 2013, 11:15:35 PM »
So, a bbc @ 48-4850, spinning a 'AA', in a 21', in the mid 50's would be similar in performance to the tahiti project?

Dan'l


Not at all. It depends on the HP, I was simply using the examples as a comparison because of the question that was asked on the RPM difference.

My small block powered Carrera with an Alpha I gen 2 will SMOKE a BBC jet in a 21'.... You just have to keep in mind that my mouse has eaten a Rat.  ;)

Here is some new math.

If he were to run a 25" pitch cupped Mirage with the same 1.62:1 ratio, the expected speed at 4600 RPM would be really close to 60 MPH, if the gear ratio was a 1.50:1, same prop same motor, the expected speed would be closer to 64MPH. It is all dependent on how much horsepower is being generated. If the motor wont pull the prop, the speed will fall off dramatically.

Am I making sense? ultimately I am thinking the prop choices are going to be limited by the lower gear ratio, also the ratio is low enough that the torque increase will be an issue making it more prone to breakage.

Never did I indicate that this boat wont surpass 55 MPH, but I bet I'm pretty close with saying 60.  :)

GT



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Ray

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #284 on: October 04, 2013, 09:08:45 PM »
Did you at least drill a few holes in it where you s leaved it to give it some kinda bond other than the outer part you welded it to


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ka0tyk

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #285 on: October 05, 2013, 12:47:46 PM »


all bolted in

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #286 on: October 05, 2013, 01:24:35 PM »
Whats the hand hole for?


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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #287 on: October 05, 2013, 01:50:08 PM »

Whats the hand hole for?


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drugs


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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #288 on: October 05, 2013, 02:25:24 PM »
Makes sense


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ka0tyk

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #289 on: October 05, 2013, 02:27:50 PM »
haha drugs... and how else am i supposed to get to the nut under the floor that holds the seat down?
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ka0tyk

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #290 on: October 05, 2013, 02:29:14 PM »
aaand i grabbed these today.  awesome deal.  and adding a third axle will be super awesome.  time to start piecing together new hangers, springs, etc. 

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jamiemwedmore1234

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #291 on: October 06, 2013, 10:09:33 AM »
If your selling your stock fenders I'm interested greatly in them mine are beat
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Jet Boat Maloney

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #292 on: October 07, 2013, 11:08:09 PM »
I wish I had your work ethics !!!!


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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #293 on: October 08, 2013, 11:21:18 AM »
I wish I had your work ethics !!!!


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....   and endless supply of capitol   ..lol
      (waita minute..I'm putting mule holes under my seats too)   ;)
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ka0tyk

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #294 on: October 16, 2013, 06:35:02 PM »
just a lot of little things to take care of right now... ugh.

tidied things up today... ran spark plug wires and cut and crimped em.  had to move my trim pump for the fuel filter.  i had nowhere else to put it... so that meant plugging up all the holes with epoxy and repainted the bilgekote on the transom in that area.  ran fuel lines, put on the an fittings, tightened everything up, water lines are all done, etc.  engine cranks just needs the fuel turned on.  id give it a start tonight but it would probably wake up the whole neighborhood. 







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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #295 on: October 16, 2013, 06:48:23 PM »
FIRE THAT MOTHER   UP!!!!!


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I always wanted to be somebody...

I guess I should have been more specific.

ka0tyk

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #296 on: October 16, 2013, 09:16:31 PM »
zzz finally got everyting laid out where it can fit and still be accessible.  i totaly forgot about the drive resivoir bottle.   :banghead:

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jamiemwedmore1234

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #297 on: October 16, 2013, 09:26:20 PM »
What kind of paint did you paint your bilge with and we're did you get it. And is it rolled on or sprayed


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ka0tyk

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #298 on: October 16, 2013, 09:35:01 PM »
What kind of paint did you paint your bilge with and we're did you get it. And is it rolled on or sprayed


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its called "bilgekote" and its about $35 a quart.  it took about a quart to do my transom, sides, bilge, etc 2 coats.  i brushed it on and it lays down flat and has a nice shine to it.  if i took my time and sanded everything down smooth it would be an almost flawless finish.  it has some pretty good fumes to it so make sure you use ventilation.  it handles oil spills VERY well with no staining and it sticks to just about anything.  i picked it up at west marine.

ive also heard/seen people using plain ol rustoleum in a can (not rattle can), thinning it out a little and spraying it out of a gun... its cheap too and you can grab it at home depot.
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carrera202

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #299 on: October 17, 2013, 08:19:52 PM »
Comin out pretty awesome man can't wait to see it with everything put together interior that is hahaha👍👍👍👍 great job


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