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Tech Talk => Projects => Topic started by: 73sidewinderguy on March 23, 2016, 08:57:37 PM
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Hey guys, so I'm new to the boating scene as far as an owner. I just picked up a 73 sidewinder with a 454 and berk jet. Any advice on getting my boat ready for the season coming up? Looking to launch at big river/Parker and havasu. Anything helps thanks
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Do a shakedown run before you take the family and friends out, to make sure everything is mechanically sound. You are in a great place to hook up with people who are willing and able to help you learn. Welcome to SCJB and and to boating.
Cheers,
Joe
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Thanks Joe, I will be having a mechanic look at it and we will be going through the entire boat to make sure everything is in tip top shape before launch. Sadly my battery is dead from previous owner but I will be solving that issue tomorrow.
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You do all you can to make sure the boat is right when it leaves, but it is always different when you get on the water. Just friendly advice.
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Paddle, tow rope, and to steal the thunder from Crewchief22, cold hard cash. Keep a $20 stashed somewhere on the boat.
GT
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Our first run will be during the week so there will be less traffic on the water and a much more open ramp for launch. I never was a fan of the launch at big river though...Always want to stay as safe as possible. Also, already have a tow rope and paddle for the boat as well as a fire extinguisher. I'll def keep a $20 hidden is that to cover a tow fee?
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I'd recommend holding off on launching at Big River until you have a couple successful runs under your belt because of the difficulty launching/retrieving in the current.
I would recommend using the ramp at Blue Water marina for many reasons, first being the low stress atmosphere, wide ramp, calm water, big no wake zone to cruise around and test for leaks and proper operation of all controls.
Good luck in your new adventure and welcome to SCJB ;D
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Crewchief22, yea the launch at big river is a bit intimidating for now, looking to stay up in movalya keys or in Havasu. Been to big river quite a bit but never with a boat. Seen some people from the scjb videos at big river but didn't chat much was playing beer pong in the river.
Once I saw y'all out there I was hooked had to get one, and this boat kinda fell on my lap as a gift. Looking to learn as much as possible and do some runs with y'all once I'm more familiar with boating.
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Is the boat here in SoCal I would say a trip to Elsinore before a river trip this time of year it's not to busy and on the weekends you almost for sure to run into someone from this site doing there own shake down runs
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The boating areas you mentioned have become less friendly to smaller boats conditions-wise. Know the weather (wind chop in the afternoons), what other types of boats you'll be on the water with (offshore, rollbar, etc), and holiday traffic. Rolling an 18 in Parker is not what it once was..... just sayin'.
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Jess, yes the boat is in Southridge/Jurupa Hills area. And am looking to do a run at Elsinore prior to a river run. Would be nice to run into some people from scjb there, maybe get more advice in person.
Roost, we have planned on doing a trip in Havasu from Sunday-Thursday. I'd like to be launching with as little traffic as possible on the water and I know during the week is probably my best bet. No holiday trips planned yet due to my inexperience on the water as a driver. I'd rather take my time, get some runs under my belt before doing a holiday/river run.
Any and all advice is much appreciated and taken seriously.
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Jess, yes the boat is in Southridge/Jurupa Hills area. And am looking to do a run at Elsinore prior to a river run. Would be nice to run into some people from scjb there, maybe get more advice in person.
Roost, we have planned on doing a trip in Havasu from Sunday-Thursday. I'd like to be launching with as little traffic as possible on the water and I know during the week is probably my best bet. No holiday trips planned yet due to my inexperience on the water as a driver. I'd rather take my time, get some runs under my belt before doing a holiday/river run.
Any and all advice is much appreciated and taken seriously.
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Welcome to SCJB. Its a sickness get used to it!
Launching during the week is def a good idea. Doing an Elsinore trip or two is an even better one.
Looks liek you have an engine cover on your float. Id launch and cruise around the no wake zone with that up while someone is looking for leaks and other potential issues.
Remember, it takes throttle to turn turning the wheel with no throttle input will not help things. Took me a minute to get used to that. if you're trying to turn around on the river remember to throttle up as you make the turn and things will go easier.
Have fun!
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Thanks Steve, I have a few friends who have boats but not jets. Most likely I'll have one of them come out on first launch to keep an eye on the motor as we put around. I was told to make the first passes short and tune as needed then grow to longer runs on the lake. I'm assuming(with no boating experience) that it would be somewhat similar to a seadoo as far as turning. I do know that I must throttle through turning because if I don't it's not going anywhere. Definitely looking to launching and learning what boating is all about!
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Thanks Steve, I have a few friends who have boats but not jets. Most likely I'll have one of them come out on first launch to keep an eye on the motor as we put around. I was told to make the first passes short and tune as needed then grow to longer runs on the lake. I'm assuming(with no boating experience) that it would be somewhat similar to a seadoo as far as turning. I do know that I must throttle through turning because if I don't it's not going anywhere. Definitely looking to launching and learning what boating is all about!
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I drove my jet boat (first jet ever) last year for the first time, it took me a couple times out to figure it all out.
To be honest, only the last couple trips have i even started driving it on the trailer. I used to swim it on every time.
My first trip out. I launched the boat, and cruised around elsinore just on plane. Learning steering sensitivity. Stopping, obstacle avoidance. allt he basics
Most importantly have fun
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That's exactly what I plan on doing, with all the risks involved I want to remain as safe as possible as a newbie. With that being said being on the water is always a blast. Thank you again
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You can never have to many spare plugs, for that one time (or more for some of us) stashed in boat and truck. They sink real fast when loaded down and plug out. I carry jumper cables and tow ropes. 2 spare tires that you KNOW are on correct rims is not a bad idea either. Trailer tires age and fail with alarming quickness.
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The tires I have on my trailer were just replaced last season, they seem to be in good shape but I also have no spares. I'll def look into that!
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i have one of these that i keep with me. I bought it awhile ago i have actually jump started a duramax with it.
They work great for jump starting, they also work great for charging a dead phone or somehting like that
http://www.amazon.com/Nekteck-Multifunction-Portable-External-16800mAh/dp/B00MG687JW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_11&smid=A3GMRWNJ2V9TRM (http://www.amazon.com/Nekteck-Multifunction-Portable-External-16800mAh/dp/B00MG687JW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_11&smid=A3GMRWNJ2V9TRM)
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Awesome thanks Steve! I will definitely pick one up, I sure could have used one yesterday before I pulled my battery out. Taking it in to get serviced after work today. Gotta fire this thing up already
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I'm at big river about every holiday and almost every other weekend usually have a few other jets there with me feel free to come up and say hi would love to give you a hand with anything you need and I have been launching at big river my entire life that is my river home I know a few pointers that may help also there are many shallow spots on that river you need to learn some section can be just inches deep on one side and plenty on the other it's a back and forth drive up to the dam I saw a couple video on YouTube from the air over the river that showed some of the shallow spots. So good luck with the new float looks great and I'll keep an eye out for you this season
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Thanks for the invite Chris, I don't have a place out there besides getting a rental for the weekend. Some coworkers of mine stay in moovalya keys just to prevent having to launch daily with having our kids with us it might be out best bet. I did always enjoy the atmosphere at big river though. Met a couple guys out there. A brad and a bob I believe. One had a 21ft(I'm assuming) orange colored boat and the other was a 16ft blue colored one. Maybe I've seen you before but this was back in '12
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Hopefully see you there
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Hopefully, hey is the launch ramp at big river still very small? Last time I was there someone's trailer went off the end of it
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If the water is low you go to the side I always put mine in heading down river let's the boat come off without hitting the fender and your facing up river when you come off. There is another ramp right at the entrance that has no current and a dock will fit 2 at a time but can be slippery and also drops off if water is low. Best to have breakfast and wait till the water comes up around noon
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Right on, well if we plan a trip this season at big river or even Parker I'll be sure to stop by and perhaps you can show me. My truck isn't 4x4 so I think I'd prefer no slippage lol
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I've never had a slippage problem there but I have pulled trucks out too lol I'm hard to miss red head and always holding a cold coors light lol
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I'll keep an eye out for ya next time I'm out there. I'm the white guy with a bunch of tattoos usually holding a ice cold coors haha
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Anyone know how the Avi is to launch and stay at? Never been but heard good things...
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Thanks Steve, I have a few friends who have boats but not jets. Most likely I'll have one of them come out on first launch to keep an eye on the motor as we put around. I was told to make the first passes short and tune as needed then grow to longer runs on the lake. I'm assuming(with no boating experience) that it would be somewhat similar to a seadoo as far as turning. I do know that I must throttle through turning because if I don't it's not going anywhere. Definitely looking to launching and learning what boating is all about!
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let me know when you want to do a shakedown in elsinore I'll launch help you make sure you don't get stuck out there. I'm a local just let me know!! Always down to help
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Glencoe22 ,Awesome sounds great man I'll definitely do that. I need someone who knows what I should be looking for, overview, etc. That would help out tremendously.
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Glencoe460 lol sorry
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All awesome advise. I probably missed it, but did you do a test drive?
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Anyone know how the Avi is to launch and stay at? Never been but heard good things...
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the Avi is nice this time of year. During the summer its not bad, but lots of sea doos.
ill be there this weekend
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Fordlover, negative. I still need a little work before a shakedown run. Previous owner said he was taking in water at the seal where the drive shaft meets the haul( probably worded that incorrectly, please excuse my ignorance)
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Glencoe22 ,Awesome sounds great man I'll definitely do that. I need someone who knows what I should be looking for, overview, etc. That would help out tremendously.
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im not knowledgeable like GT of a couple of these guys but I can see the basics help u if you get stuck!
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the Avi is nice this time of year. During the summer its not bad, but lots of sea doos.
ill be there this weekend
Looks good steve thanks!!
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Looks good steve thanks!!
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Any help is appreciated
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hell yea! it really pops in the sun
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Nice boat
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Anyone know how the Avi is to launch and stay at? Never been but heard good things...
AVI is a nice place to stay and not too far from several cool hangouts. Up river you have Lazy Harry's and Back Bay, down river you have Pirates Cove and Topock Marina. If you have large enough fuel tanks you can cruise through the Gorge into Lake Havazoo.
Now, launching/retrieving at AVI is another story... Their ramp drops you into some fast moving water which can make you nuts, but when you add in a bunch of rental SeaDoo's buzzing around it's enough to make you hit the bottle once you're on the trailer. :beer:
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Crewchief22, thank you for the info. I'm planning on going during the week so hopefully there won't be too many seadoos buzzing around.
Off topic, I just installed my battery and when turning key showing not battery power on voltage meter. Any suggestions on what to check for. Battery is fully charged. Possible short?
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Does it have a battery switch hid somewhere? Just thinking out loud here...
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No battery switch. Is it possible key switch went bad?
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Should be pretty easy to run down with a test light? Make sure you have a good ground... But it really only takes a few wires to make her spin? Does it have a ford style solenoid on it? If so that's where I would start checking with my test light...
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No test light available at the moment. :/ I'm guessing bad key switch, just contacted old owner and he said it was going out last season or he was having issues with it wasn't too clear though. But if it were bad would anything else light up like gauges?
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Very possible could... Cheap enough to throw a new switch in it... Sucks being stuck on the water over a 20$ part...
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Is that something I can just pick up at autozone or do I need to go to a marine supply?
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Is that something I can just pick up at autozone or do I need to go to a marine supply?
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bypass the selenoid see if it cranks.
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Has to be merine for the thickness of the dash and there 50 bucks. However Auto zone test light is worth every penny trace your power start positive bat to block that will tell you if you even have a ground first
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Has to be merine for the thickness of the dash and there 50 bucks. However Auto zone test light is worth every penny trace your power start positive bat to block that will tell you if you even have a ground first
$50 for what?
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Sounds like your packings are leaking excessively.
Don't run it on the trailer, it's not good for the pump. If you need to start it, don't rev it and don't let it run for more than a few seconds.
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Flusher, that's what I've heard but I've read online with a berk jet I can run for about 30 seconds with water hooked up and be ok. I'm really just trying to get it to crank at the moment.
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Chris, I have a test light but I leave my tools at work unless I'm planning on doing work at home. Originally I thought just the battery was dead due to the previous owner not "winterizing" the battery. Drained to 30%. I didn't plan on having To trace down why I'm not getting power to turn the motor over, but all in all running through this will help me in the future so all advice given to me helps tremendously in gaining more knowledge of my boat.
Much appreciated ... Cheers
*takes sip of ice cold Heineken because I ran out of coors light*
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Flusher, that's what I've heard but I've read online with a berk jet I can run for about 30 seconds with water hooked up and be ok. I'm really just trying to get it to crank at the moment.
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30 seconds is fine and you don't need water hooked up.
The packings need to actually leak (one drop every ten seconds) in order to seal and lubricate. Spraying water into the pump will not get water between the rope seals and the shaft and will overheat. I also don't believe that running water back through the water fitting and onto the ground is doing much to lubricate the impeller and wear ring.
All of those parts are expensive and not easy to replace. Just saying...
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Flusher, So if I hook up my hose adapter to keep the motor cool should I still not run longer than 30 seconds?
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And when calling a mechanic he told me the same about the packings, however, the previous owner had said he was taking in a lot of water last season where he had to pull the boat out of water after 30 min of running at Elsinore.
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Flusher, So if I hook up my hose adapter to keep the motor cool should I still not run longer than 30 seconds?
I don't like to
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I didn't plan on having To trace down why I'm not getting power to turn the motor over, but all in all running through this will help me in the future so all advice given to me helps tremendously in gaining more knowledge of my boat.
If you're mechanically inclined and just not familiar with boats, I'd suggest spending some time just poking around and looking at all the different things that could give you problems while out for the day. While you're doing this, take notes of sizes of wrenches and types of fasteners you would need if a repair was necessary. Build up a small tool kit of old or cheep wrenches, wire cutter/crimpers, terminals, test light, screw drivers, cresent wrench, jumper wire, zip ties and whatever else you think you might need.
If you're lucky you won't have to use the tools, but you could be the guy that saves someone else on the water.
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Crewchief22, I picked up a small tool kit to keep on the boat. Nothing fancy but I figured it would do the job if need be. I'll be poking around to see where I'm losing power, maybe a possible short somewhere. As far as mechanically inclined, I work as a systems integrator for a petrochemical company hand bending 1/8",1/4", 1/2" 316 stainless steel tubing for gas instrumentation. Work a little with electrical as well. With that being said I can read wiring schematics but I can't seem to find any online. I'd really like to get the motor to crank over this weekend.
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Is there a lanyard that goes behind my key switch that needs to be there for boat to crank over?
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Is there a lanyard that goes behind my key switch that needs to be there for boat to crank over?
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Likely not.
Got a picture of the switch?
GT
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Not at the moment, out running errands I'll post once I'm back at home.
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Here's the key switch
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Just a regular old Cole Hersey switch.
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Will installing this one work?
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Will installing this one work?
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I guess so. Lol.
GT
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GT, I'm poking around to see if maybe there's a loose ground not making full contact or any other wiring issues before I completely change the ignition switch. One ground located on the solenoid wasn't making full contact with the ferrule(in picture)
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What in the hell is that regulator doing there?
You need someone to help go through the electrical system in that thing. I would recommend NOT putting it in the water until such has happened.
GT
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GT, will do. I'd like to replace all electrical if possible. Last owner spliced into so much with so many wires wrapped with electrical tape it's hard just to track things down
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This thing is a mess
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Ours was that way too. Helped us learn alot about the boat though
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That's what I'm counting on, hauling it to a friends house who's mechanic is going to be there working on his boat. Gonna give me a run down on what's going on with it. He's Mobile so I can work on it at home and not have to lug it around everywhere.
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Welcome to the madness we love . You are definitely in the right direction. Just keep plugging away at it . You'll get it .
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Thank you, I'm really taking a big interest in this. Daily I find myself out trying to figure something out on it. I also got a new carb to install.
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Thank you, I'm really taking a big interest in this. Daily I find myself out trying to figure something out on it. I also got a new carb to install.
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Hmmmm... lol,
What's on it now?
GT
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GeT here's what's on it now, the previous owner gave me the edelbrock
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Gonna catch hell for this, but that Quad is five times the carburetor that Edlebrock is.
What model Edlebrock?
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It's a 1407
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So I should keep the quad on there?
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Gonna catch hell for this, but that Quad is five times the carburetor that Edlebrock is.
What model Edlebrock?
Agreed 10000000x percent
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So I should keep the quad on there?
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If it runs, I say Rock the Quad.
Most were 800 cfm and have killer part throttle operation.
JMO
GT
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Gonna catch hell for this, but that Quad is five times the carburetor that Edlebrock is.
I'm going to agree with this. The Q-Jet doesn't look to be in bad shape from the pic.
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Ok, quad stays on. GT I think I'm going to have to just go through the entire boat. Hopefully I can finish by season start...
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Is anyone local where they can come take a look. Maybe accommodate for time ($20 and a tall boy?)
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Here are links to some great information and parts I think you can use.
http://www.hardin-marine.com/p-13221-terminal-block-style-marine-engine-wiring-harness-bbc-sbc.aspx (http://www.hardin-marine.com/p-13221-terminal-block-style-marine-engine-wiring-harness-bbc-sbc.aspx) Engine harness
http://www.hardin-marine.com/p-13228-terminal-block-style-complete-boat-wiring-harness.aspx (http://www.hardin-marine.com/p-13228-terminal-block-style-complete-boat-wiring-harness.aspx) Boat harness
http://www.hardin-marine.com/t-hm_tech.aspx (http://www.hardin-marine.com/t-hm_tech.aspx) Giant list of helpful tips and instructions
http://www.hardin-marine.com/Instructions/Wiring-color-codes.pdf (http://www.hardin-marine.com/Instructions/Wiring-color-codes.pdf) Wiring harness color codes (won't help much if previous owner used whatever was around)
http://www.hardin-marine.com/Instructions/Chevrolet_Wiring_Harness.pdf (http://www.hardin-marine.com/Instructions/Chevrolet_Wiring_Harness.pdf) Engine harness wiring schematic
http://www.hardin-marine.com/Instructions/Boat_Wiring_Harness.pdf (http://www.hardin-marine.com/Instructions/Boat_Wiring_Harness.pdf) Boat harness wiring schematic
Hope this will help get you on track with the wiring.
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Is anyone local where they can come take a look. Maybe accommodate for time ($20 and a tall boy?)
Where are you located?
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Here are links to some great information and parts I think you can use.
http://www.hardin-marine.com/p-13221-terminal-block-style-marine-engine-wiring-harness-bbc-sbc.aspx (http://www.hardin-marine.com/p-13221-terminal-block-style-marine-engine-wiring-harness-bbc-sbc.aspx) Engine harness
http://www.hardin-marine.com/p-13228-terminal-block-style-complete-boat-wiring-harness.aspx (http://www.hardin-marine.com/p-13228-terminal-block-style-complete-boat-wiring-harness.aspx) Boat harness
http://www.hardin-marine.com/t-hm_tech.aspx (http://www.hardin-marine.com/t-hm_tech.aspx) Giant list of helpful tips and instructions
http://www.hardin-marine.com/Instructions/Wiring-color-codes.pdf (http://www.hardin-marine.com/Instructions/Wiring-color-codes.pdf) Wiring harness color codes (won't help much if previous owner used whatever was around)
http://www.hardin-marine.com/Instructions/Chevrolet_Wiring_Harness.pdf (http://www.hardin-marine.com/Instructions/Chevrolet_Wiring_Harness.pdf) Engine harness wiring schematic
http://www.hardin-marine.com/Instructions/Boat_Wiring_Harness.pdf (http://www.hardin-marine.com/Instructions/Boat_Wiring_Harness.pdf) Boat harness wiring schematic
Hope this will help get you on track with the wiring.
You sir, are da' man.
GT
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Located in Southridge/Fontana Jurupa Hills area. 10fwy and Cherry Ave just south of the 10fwy
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Thank you crewchief22
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Located in Southridge/Fontana Jurupa Hills area. 10fwy and Cherry Ave just south of the 10fwy
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Small world, I live in southridge also
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Come take a look at my float, maybe you can give me some pointers
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I'm off mountain high and Hillcrest Drive
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I have the edel Brock on my 454 and think it's to small went to lake today and can't get over 3800 rpm. Runs ok just seems to Peter out so might keep the quad
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Yea I think I'm going with the quad, so far everyone has said its better. This boat is definitely going to be a great project.
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I have the edel Brock on my 454 and think it's to small went to lake today and can't get over 3800 rpm. Runs ok just seems to Peter out so might keep the quad
Check the inlet fuel filters under the carb top.
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Anyone know how I can repair this flaking and restore?
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It's a new carb but you never know will give it a shot. What your opinion on cfm on a basically stock 454 with a small cam it's not a hot rod just want to make it right
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Had an old Chevy K -5 blazer 350 4 bolt main mild cam running a Quad. That thing hauled the mail " 😎👍
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I'm off mountain high and Hillcrest Drive
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Funny I live on Mountain High Dr
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Are you the corner house? I always see a boat garage kept there. It's an open now though not sure if that's you. I'm behind mt. High last house in the dead end
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Since I'm keeping the quad on anyone interested in the Edelbrock 1407?
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For sale
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Welcome Sidewinder, I'm new here too. I just picked up a 1979 Cougar last year, and have had to redo all of the wiring scratch. Most of it isn't much different than plain old car wiring, but I have been using marine grade wire, connections, and heat shrink tubing. I actually used wiring diagrams for the engine bay of a 1978 Ford truck to help me figure out how to wire my engine(460 Ford), if that helps at all.
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Thanks Shadow, I just took out my seats and cutting out the flooring to replace what's broken since the interior is out I figure I might as well redo the wiring. I have roughly the same gauge wire at work which my boss gave me free range to do with what I needed. With a couple local friends and another SoCal member my float will be transformed and ready to go by season start. Well summer start at least.
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Nice! I am about three weeks away from having mine ready for the water, but getting there. I am waaaay to anal about having everything done to my satisfaction before running her. Lol.
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I acquired the boat for free with the trailer, it has current tags till 2017. I just want to make sure it's legit before river runs. So I'll do some shakedown runs at Elsinore just to make sure everything is good on it. Putting in new flooring and wiring while my interior is out. But by doing all this I'm learning so much about the boat. I'm always willing to get my hands dirty. Where about are you located?
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I am in the same "boat" as you. This is my first jet, and I got the boat for a song, and had to tear it almost completely apart. It's definitely a learning experience, but I wouldn't change it for the world. Lol. I'm out in Saskatchewan.
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