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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #475 on: April 26, 2008, 08:00:27 PM »
... Looking at your pics it looks like your boat has false floors from the tunnels to the outside , or I'm seeing it wrong  ??? .   If it does maybe you could remove them to make more leg room  :-\ .

You are correct, good eye!  ;)  There is supposed to be Balsa floors under my carpet (previous owner claim). I was looking at my boat a little closer today and the gas pedal was moved forward  :banghead:  :screwy:  about 8 inches. Then I noticed the seats have been moved forward  :banghead:  :screwy:  at least 6 inches. The steering colum is too short and is missing a piece, I think the last owner bought the bought with the seats and gas pedal too far from the colum and instead of lengthining the colum he moved the seats and gas pedal. Either way once I have an extension for my colum I will be able to move the seats away from the dash pretty easily.  ;D
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propless

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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #476 on: April 26, 2008, 08:42:37 PM »
 Sounds like a good plan  ;) .   
 btw , I was going to pick on you about that diverter switch  ::) , but than I remembered what I did with for a trim comtrol switch on mine  :banghead: ,  must be a "stereo guy" thing.   :sly:  Yea, its a powerwindow switch  :-[
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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #477 on: April 26, 2008, 08:51:17 PM »
Works for me and now I have to find one so I can get away from the toggle.
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hotrod56cars

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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #478 on: April 26, 2008, 09:05:50 PM »
Sounds like a good plan  ;) .   
 btw , I was going to pick on you about that diverter switch  ::) , but than I remembered what I did with for a trim comtrol switch on mine  :banghead: ,  must be a "stereo guy" thing.   :sly:  Yea, its a powerwindow switch  :-[

You see, that's how stereo guys roll.  ;D  Looks like a Spal power window switch to be exact.  :D
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NO REGRET$ ... Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics / no matter how good you do you're still retarded!!!!!

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hotrod56cars

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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #479 on: April 30, 2008, 08:47:36 PM »
I can sit in my boat again.  ;D

Moved the seats back 6", moved the gas pedal back 8 1/2", 6" extension/hub on the steering collum. Plenty of room, nice n comfy. There was a unused stereo below the dash which I finaly removed. The last pic it's dark outside because I had to install the steering extension/hub twice...  :banghead:





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hotrod56cars

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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #480 on: May 07, 2008, 07:06:36 AM »
Damn I am frustrated as hell. I can't find any info on push rod length for a BBC with stock heads and a retro-fit roller cam. Cam companies are telling me there are too many variables. Excuse me? Stock Mark IV's use the same pushrods for a flat tappet cam, why wouldn't they use the same length roller cam specific pushrods? Did the valves magicaly grow or majicaly shorten when I switched to a roller cam? Does the roller cam bolt in a different location than a flat tappet cam? WTF?  :mad:  There is no way I'm going to meet my wishfull deadline. By the time I figure out this easy answer I'll probably be out of cash, again.




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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #481 on: May 07, 2008, 07:14:46 AM »
I think the problem has to do with the roller lifters not being as standard as hydraulic/solid in height.  Each manufacturer has his own design and the roller lifter can vary by .100 or more.

You can get an adjustable push rod tool that is used to measure what you need.  If you have a measurement of what you need almost anyone can order what you want.

Just take time and money  ;D

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propless

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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #482 on: May 07, 2008, 08:13:05 AM »
I'm no expert on these Cheby things but I think the cam itself can be another variable .   If I remember right some of the big cams are ground with a different base circle (smaller) than stock  :-\
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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #483 on: May 07, 2008, 08:17:51 AM »
The fact that you are running a 700+ lift cam might have something to do with it. Come by my work and we"ll see if we can figure something out. I"ll call some diffrent cam manufacturers and see what they say. What brand roller lifters do you have?
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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #484 on: May 07, 2008, 09:47:14 AM »
I think the problem has to do with the roller lifters not being as standard as hydraulic/solid in height.  Each manufacturer has his own design and the roller lifter can vary by .100 or more.

You can get an adjustable push rod tool that is used to measure what you need.  If you have a measurement of what you need almost anyone can order what you want.

Just take time and money  ;D



Yesum. And also anything from doing a few valve jobs, or surfacing the head too far, wil result in needing or not needing a different pushrod. I don't understand how the manufactures already know how deep your exhaust seat is sunk in the hole, or how much it's been topped off anywhere from 0.003"- .040" . Get an adjusting pushrod so you can get them right the first time
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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #485 on: May 07, 2008, 09:54:43 AM »
Well Rod i hope you get your shit straight. i would hate to think this is a chevy thing!!  These Ford boy's would never let us off the hook :banghead:

Good luck to ya Bro, we both need it ;)

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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #486 on: May 07, 2008, 10:01:44 AM »
Well Rod i hope you get your shit straight. i would hate to think this is a chevy thing!!  These Ford boy's would never let us off the hook :banghead:

Good luck to ya Bro, we both need it ;)

2sav
not a chevy thing, custom pushrods are part of the deal. if you want stock length pushrods build a stock motor
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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #487 on: May 07, 2008, 10:37:34 AM »
Damn I am frustrated as hell. I can't find any info on push rod length for a BBC with stock heads and a retro-fit roller cam. Cam companies are telling me there are too many variables. Excuse me? Stock Mark IV's use the same pushrods for a flat tappet cam, why wouldn't they use the same length roller cam specific pushrods? Did the valves magicaly grow or majicaly shorten when I switched to a roller cam? Does the roller cam bolt in a different location than a flat tappet cam? WTF?  :mad:  There is no way I'm going to meet my wishfull deadline. By the time I figure out this easy answer I'll probably be out of cash, again.




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Comp Cams calls the "Retro fit" pushrod length at 7.725" and 8.684", that should serve as a base line, but as previously mentioned you should get some length checking pushrods and roll it through a couple of times to get the correct length for your engine.

hotrod56cars

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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #488 on: May 07, 2008, 11:25:37 AM »
I think the problem has to do with the roller lifters not being as standard as hydraulic/solid in height.  Each manufacturer has his own design and the roller lifter can vary by .100 or more...

... and there you go! The one factor I never thought of.

Thanks for all of the feedback, it was all good.

... What brand roller lifters do you have?

It's a Crane cam and Crane lifters. I personally called and talked to Crane this morning, extremely helpfull people until I didn't get the answer I wanted to hear. I have to wait but what a phukin pain in the asss.



Basicaly it seems that the crank gets installed, number 1 rod and piston get installed, cam gets installed and degree'd, cylinder head above number 1 cylinder gets installed, correct pushrod length figured out.

STOP. Order pushrods.

Wait for pushrods to come in.

Pushrods for number one get installed. Valve to piston clearence gets checked. Assuming all is good so far then the cylinder head comes back off and the "real" assembly of the engine gets started. Even if my above guess is off or not in the right order there doesn't seem to be a way to avoid the waiting.



I'm still frustrated but and life goes on.
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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #489 on: May 07, 2008, 11:45:11 AM »
Call terry Manton you can get and adl push rod from him to check for proper length
he makes thousands of push rod a day no 951- 674- 2212  560 Birch St #4 Lake Elsinor Ca 92509
and he will help you out. and he is the best been using his push rod 27years he has web site to his web
site will tell you why just a bout every cam change needs new push rods, valve job rocker change etc.
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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #490 on: May 07, 2008, 11:49:59 AM »
Call terry Manton you can get and adl push rod from him to check for proper length
he makes thousands of push rod a day no 951- 674- 2212  560 Birch St #4 Lake Elsinor Ca 92509
and he will help you out. and he is the best been using his push rod 27years he has web site to his web
site will tell you why just a bout every cam change needs new push rods, valve job rocker change etc.

Thanks for the info!
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NO REGRET$ ... Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics / no matter how good you do you're still retarded!!!!!

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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #491 on: May 07, 2008, 12:01:43 PM »
here some picture of my set up i think you will only need one
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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #492 on: May 07, 2008, 12:18:10 PM »
I have adjustable push rod length checkers.
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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #493 on: May 09, 2008, 08:02:54 AM »
Damn...This thread started Aug 8th 2007 and still isn't runnin' yet! When are you going to stop  :banghead: and get a BOAT motor for that thing so you can get 'er runnin' already? :sly:
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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #494 on: May 09, 2008, 08:18:48 AM »
Damn...This thread started Aug 8th 2007 and still isn't runnin' yet! When are you going to stop  :banghead: and get a BOAT motor for that thing so you can get 'er runnin' already? :sly:

 :mad:  It has run, it ran for 3 1/2 hours as a matter of fact!  :o  49 mph at WOT, try that with your outboard sucka  :sly:




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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #495 on: May 13, 2008, 11:09:45 PM »
I changed the forward reverse cable today and replaced a AFU connection on the engine's water inlet hose. I also made a bracket for the forward reverse cable so that it would no longer "ride" on the driveshaft.

Hey Plesh, look at my wiring  :o  LMFAO
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NO REGRET$ ... Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics / no matter how good you do you're still retarded!!!!!

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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #496 on: May 13, 2008, 11:38:59 PM »
 Looking good Rod , I think you added at least 10 mph today  ;D

 Now get off the computer and go fix your wiring before it bursts into flames  ::) .  You, of all people should know better .   

 Sorry Rod but, Daaammmn thats bad  :'(
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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #497 on: May 14, 2008, 07:54:02 AM »
Every single time Plesh and I either talk on the phone or we see each other he says "did you fix that wiring yet?"  :banghead:  The guy is driving me crazy with it.  ;D
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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #498 on: May 14, 2008, 08:21:23 AM »
Terry, any word on those heads yet?
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Re: Mach 1
« Reply #499 on: May 14, 2008, 09:42:11 AM »
Jus called the guy w/ the heads, left message should have them tonight. Called dyno flow, the have a HUGE inventory of push rods, can hook us up same day.
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