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JetH20

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New project 77 Sleekcraft Sportster 454 Chevy
« on: April 13, 2012, 10:41:28 PM »
Hey guys !

New to the form but like what i have seen of it so far. I will be back to read and learn more !!

I just pick up this project boat for what I thought to be a good price ? It is as follows.
1977 Sleekcraft Sportster 18ft
it sit's on a nice traler with new tires and chrome rims in pretty good shape.
the motor came as a complete disassembled 454 chevy .030 over. Upon checking numbers turns out to be a
LS6 create motor that at one time or another was rebuilt. it has the GM alum intake, Demon 800 carb, Edelbrock water logs, front and rear plates.
It lacks seats and could use some fresh gauges. Floor is solid and the top of the boat could use some paint.
It has a fresh Berkley 12-JC-A and a new impeller.
I paid a $1000.00 for everything ! How did I do ?

Thanks !

Mike__aka JetH20 !
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88CARRERA

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Re: New project 77 Sleekcraft Sportster 454 Chevy
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2012, 08:05:36 AM »
Looks like you did good!
Welcome to the mayhem!
We are all here to help. These guys will have all the answers you need.
Nice float bro


Chris
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74hondo

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New project 77 Sleekcraft Sportster 454 Chevy
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2012, 12:17:59 PM »
Looks good man! I'm pretty sure the pump is a 12je though. The i.d. Plate should be just on the other side of the transom on the pump where it head down to the intake. Still a good pump!
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JetH20

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Re: New project 77 Sleekcraft Sportster 454 Chevy
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2012, 09:35:11 PM »
You could be right on the pump may fault ! Do you know if you can install a jetovator on that pump and if so how is it done when you it doesn't have the bolted flange before the nozzle ? I just pick one up from CL for $200 I think it might be missing a few brackets. nothing that can't be made or found somewhere ! LOL I'm hoping to get in the water by mid summer !

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New project 77 Sleekcraft Sportster 454 Chevy
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2012, 02:29:14 AM »
If you don't switch to a split bowl you will have to buy a place diverter for an e pump. It can be done but they are a little more money. I am upgrading my e pump on my challenger to a split bowl.
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IRRebel

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Re: New project 77 Sleekcraft Sportster 454 Chevy
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2012, 07:16:56 AM »
If you don't switch to a split bowl you will have to buy a place diverter for an e pump. It can be done but they are a little more money. I am upgrading my e pump on my challenger to a split bowl.

Agreed. They make a diverter specifically for the JE pump, which IS what you have. They are a tad more money (like 35 bucks or something), but it retains the lo profile steering and F/R setup on your pump. IF you change to a split bowl, which can be done, easily enough, you just gained two more drain holes to plug on the lower starboard side of the pump where the cables used to come out, you will not be able to use them from that location with a split bowl. You will now have to drill new holes in the transom in the traditional locations for a traditional steering tube (Something new to buy) and the F/R cable and seal (Something else new to buy). Chances are both your cables will no longer work or be close to long enough.....soooooo, something MORE to buy, but those may need replacing on a boat that old anyway.

Worthwhile doing? Hard to say. Personally, I'd get it running, get it on the water and play with it. A Place Diverter will eliminate the need to be able to put wedges in, for the most part, and only some seat time will tell if a droop would be adventageous to your particular setup. Those are the only two real reasons to go to a split bowl in the first place.

The roost in this pic Brad took of my old 18' Sleek is a stock JE, AA impeller with and "E" place diverter. Probably a TAD more hp that you're talking, but I actually got it up higher than that later after some grinding and detailing.....

 

I beleive you can profit a good buck or two pawning off your old JetOVater ($200 is pretty cheap), get an E version Place Diverter  (You never find them used, gonna hafta go new there, and your handle appears to be a stringer mount anyway, which you need a floor mount, or modify/make a bracket for that one). That one is also the older version Berk JetOvater, the newer Place ones do not have that reverse tube hanging down for one thing off the back which WILL slow you down, but rather have a flat pad on the bottom of them. The other difference is complicated, but to get that thing working, and it WILL work on a split bowl, there is about a $95 stoopid expensive super special seal you seem to be missing, and about $200 of other parts, some no longer made.

If later on you decide to go the split bowl route, your diverter can be retained buy picking up some traditional brackets from Place, or selling yours used (Should get a commanding price for it, since JE diverters used are so hard to find and yours will look new!) buying another since you've proven you can find good deals on them.  ;)

JMO

Ray

Oh, BTW, Love Sleeks! That's the first Sportster I've seen still retaining it's engine hatch! 
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IRRebel

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Re: New project 77 Sleekcraft Sportster 454 Chevy
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2012, 08:22:51 AM »
BTW, If you're into shopping around, and convinced to use that particular unit, Berk did make a JetoVater package for the JE pump. It was sold as the JF pump for the complete pump, but was also sold separately for the JE. Its identified by the large  "halo" looking thing around the nozzle that looks like one of those things they clamp on around the head of a neck injury victim.



I see some of those parts around from time to time, still retains stock seering, f/r, location, adds a third hole above the other two on the side of the pump for the cable for it, and I think you can use most of the JetOvater you already have. In thinking more about it, using that unit as is, obtaining the missing parts, relocating the steering, f/r, etc, poses another problem because they were designed to run through/hook up to the transom adaptor on a traditional Berk install. You don't have/need/or can use that, so that's gonna require some ingenuity and putting on the size 12 thinking cap to work that out............ :banghead:

Yeah, just buy a Place unit and pawn that thing off......... :)

Ray
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JetH20

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Re: New project 77 Sleekcraft Sportster 454 Chevy
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2012, 01:32:17 PM »
Ray thanks for the insightful info ! I think it sounds easier to shop for a place deverter. I got excited when I seen the jetovator for sale and figured it would work. The guy was asking $350 for it and talked him down to $200 for it. So I'm sure I can list it here and get my money back. and put it towards a place deverter. Thanks to all !

Mike
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Re: New project 77 Sleekcraft Sportster 454 Chevy
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2012, 02:18:12 PM »
Ray thanks for the insightful info ! I think it sounds easier to shop for a place deverter. I got excited when I seen the jetovator for sale and figured it would work. The guy was asking $350 for it and talked him down to $200 for it. So I'm sure I can list it here and get my money back. and put it towards a place deverter. Thanks to all !

Mike
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When you sell that, I think I have most of the rest of the parts you need to complete that. I don't have the aforementioned $95 seal or speshul steering tube and spring, but I do have the linkages and the other stuff.........I also have a transom adaptor already pre-drilled for it........ :screwy:

Tom at JBP and I had a conversation once about Josh whipping up those seals.......I mean really, you could machine the things one-off out of Polished Billet for less than that plastic piece costs.....but it's still available, as is the spring and tube.

But good move! Buy the Place, get some seats and the engine in it, then run it!!! Remember though, it's a different Place unit for the JE than the run of the mill Place for the JA, JB, JC, JG you see out there..........you're gonna wind up going new unless you just happen to be EXTREMELY lucky...........   ;)

Ray
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JetH20

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Re: New project 77 Sleekcraft Sportster 454 Chevy
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2012, 05:04:54 PM »
Hey since you have the rest of the parts for this jetovator you want to give me what I have in this one and I will pay the shipping ? $200 to your front door ! PM me if you are interested. And you are saying the ONLY place I can run is a JE model ? Dame just my luck ! Thanks !

Mike
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Re: New project 77 Sleekcraft Sportster 454 Chevy
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 10:49:55 AM »
Hey since you have the rest of the parts for this jetovator you want to give me what I have in this one and I will pay the shipping ? $200 to your front door ! PM me if you are interested. And you are saying the ONLY place I can run is a JE model ? Dame just my luck ! Thanks !

Mike

No, you CAN run the regular Place unit. BUT, you'll probably need both new cables, a traditional steering tube, a f/r cable seal, drill two new holes above left and above right of the pump, respectively, and 2 new transom plugs for the holes the old steering cable and f/r cable used before.............

The discounted retail price difference, new, is $60 for the JE version over the regular JA-JB-JC-JG version.  I think it's a lot less money in the end to do THAT rather than all the other crap. The JE converter then can still be retained even if switching later to a split bowl and moving the steering cable (new, the one you have probably won't work, but it might, and the new steering tube) by maybe picking up a tiller arm from Place for their "Low Profile" diverter (I don't have a JE in front of me but I'm pretty sure you can simply drill and tap the top/port flat spot on the JE trim for a regular steering cable hookup, and then no new tiller is needed). The Low Profile Place actually uses the JE trim unit and relocates the f/r cable to below just as the JE does anyway. In THAT case, you could leave your f/r cable alone and only worry about the Steering cable hookup. The f/r cable will probably need to be longer, though, if adding a droop or extension on the split bowl, however, but it's location and type will be perfectly fine.

But, yes, less pain involved? just use the JE trim and rest assured that you can still retain it even if upgrading your JE pump with a split bowl, droops, extensions, nozzles, etc. The only thing is, you're left to new for the unit because they just don't show up on the used market out there very often. I HAVE tripped across them and picked them up when I could. Not nearly as many of them out there, and what are are probably still in use. The vast majority of the "regular" Place units you do find out there are the old style with the reverse tunnel hanging down below also, not the newer flat pad style, FWIW.

Ray

PS, and No, I don't have a use for the JetOVater. They do work well, and nothing against them, but for any new install, a Place drops in and ready to roll in about a half hour versus HOURS messing around with installing one of those!
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