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Title: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 23, 2015, 01:34:11 PM: Ok guys decided to go stroker on my olds. I know some may disagree with even attempting this on an olds because of all the issues they have but please no smart remarks. This will be for you olds guys. Im going to continue to update the process as its built along the way. Right now I have all parts except the rod bearings so for so now the crank is installed torqued. Went with ARP studs along with cross plates for the 2,3,4 caps. Main bearing clearances are .003 thousands and end play is .007 thousands. When the rod bearings get here I will update the process of installing those and the Pistons.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Bigblockchevy1691 on April 23, 2015, 01:39:06 PM: Nice can't wait to see it when done.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: MorePower on April 23, 2015, 02:02:58 PM: Sweet!!!!! Can't wait to see it either. What are the plans for intake and carb set up? Also what heads?
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 23, 2015, 02:07:01 PM: Quote from: MorePower on April 23, 2015, 02:02:58 PM
Sweet!!!!! Can't wait to see it either. What are the plans for intake and carb set up? Also what heads?

Intake- offenhauser 360 dual quad tunnel ram
Carbs- two 750 demon 1904s
Heads- aluminum edelbrock performer rpms

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: MorePower on April 23, 2015, 02:16:38 PM: Nice man!!!! Gonna be a rad build!
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 23, 2015, 02:24:14 PM: Quote from: MorePower on April 23, 2015, 02:16:38 PM
Nice man!!!! Gonna be a rad build!
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Yea for sure getting excited.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 23, 2015, 04:39:03 PM: A little preview of the Pistons and rods to go in.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: mobboss on April 23, 2015, 05:04:05 PM: Now that's badass !!!! What is the cr going to be?? Zero deck height???

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: jimpen on April 23, 2015, 05:26:49 PM: Nice

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 23, 2015, 05:52:14 PM: Quote from: mobboss on April 23, 2015, 05:04:05 PM
Now that's badass !!!! What is the cr going to be?? Zero deck height???

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Deck hight will be .020 thousands
Calculated comp 10.5-1

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: mobboss on April 23, 2015, 05:57:59 PM: That's awesome!!! I am slowly collecting parts to build am olds. So what is the projected horse power ??

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: RushinEliminator17 on April 23, 2015, 06:53:19 PM: Finally!!! Someone who has a grasp of what's needed to build an Olds!

And most importantly, is ready to step up to the plate and use/buy correct parts.

Good for you buddy, I look forward to hearing your success story with an Olds, you will do great. 👍

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: GlassCutter on April 23, 2015, 09:01:15 PM: I'd like to know how many RPM do you expect to turn? Also curious if you looked into any other options for heads besides the Ebrocks. I never could see much difference in design between stock and what Ebrock produced.
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: 74hondo on April 23, 2015, 09:09:52 PM: Kevin didn't you just build this motor and have it go out on you? Did you figure out what happened the last time? Don't want to see it happen again. Looks like you are heading in the right direction.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: millerboy74 on April 24, 2015, 01:37:57 AM: Hell yeah another stroker olds
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 24, 2015, 07:57:56 AM: Quote from: mobboss on April 23, 2015, 05:57:59 PM
That's awesome!!! I am slowly collecting parts to build am olds. So what is the projected horse power ??

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Projected horsepower is 575-600 off the bottle.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 24, 2015, 07:59:42 AM: Quote from: 74hondo on April 23, 2015, 09:09:52 PM
Kevin didn't you just build this motor and have it go out on you? Did you figure out what happened the last time? Don't want to see it happen again. Looks like you are heading in the right direction.

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Yea your correct and after a lot of research it was narrowed down to bearing clearances were all off. This time it's all gonna be good.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 24, 2015, 08:03:05 AM: Quote from: RushinEliminator17 on April 23, 2015, 06:53:19 PM
Finally!!! Someone who has a grasp of what's needed to build an Olds!

And most importantly, is ready to step up to the plate and use/buy correct parts.

Good for you buddy, I look forward to hearing your success story with an Olds, you will do great. 👍

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Thanks buddy I appreciate it you are right I have been doing a lot of research and talking to a lot of builders on this one. I'm pretty confident she will be ok.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 24, 2015, 08:05:29 AM: Quote from: GlassCutter on April 23, 2015, 09:01:15 PM
I'd like to know how many RPM do you expect to turn? Also curious if you looked into any other options for heads besides the Ebrocks. I never could see much difference in design between stock and what Ebrock produced.

I'm estimating between 5-5500 rpm. Was looking at other heads as well but I decided to just stick with the edelbrocksat least for now. You never know that could change at any time though 😁

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: bronco1 on April 24, 2015, 08:47:50 AM: Nice it good to see some one biulding and olds
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 24, 2015, 09:06:58 AM: Quote from: bronco1 on April 24, 2015, 08:47:50 AM
Nice it good to see some one biulding and olds

Yea no kidding and with all that I researched it should have no issues except when running into some last minute calculations waiting on the rod bearings we discovered that the wrong Pistons were sent to me leaving with .250 thousands to low. Now I have to send them back and get the right ones sent to me. 😖😤😡

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: mobboss on April 24, 2015, 09:11:47 AM: Just cause I'm curious what happened to the bearings, on the last motor?? And your cd just seems low to me?? You running dished Pistons ??

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: bronco1 on April 24, 2015, 09:16:04 AM: That sucks but it happens. Have you looked at Mondello Club site
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: bronco1 on April 24, 2015, 09:19:40 AM: Sorry that Web sit on putting oil restrictors in your motor
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 24, 2015, 11:20:05 AM: Quote from: mobboss on April 24, 2015, 09:11:47 AM
Just cause I'm curious what happened to the bearings, on the last motor?? And your cd just seems low to me?? You running dished Pistons ??

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Not dished Pistons they are flat top valve relief 12cc.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 24, 2015, 11:21:30 AM: Quote from: bronco1 on April 24, 2015, 09:16:04 AM
That sucks but it happens. Have you looked at Mondello Club site

No I haven't but I do have the restrictors installed. Rotating assembly ordered strait from Mondello.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: bronco1 on April 24, 2015, 11:25:08 AM: Right on you will have one bad olds
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Chad89GT on April 24, 2015, 06:01:48 PM: Looks bad ass, bro! I'm building a warm 455 right now too. Nothing like yours, though!

Couple questions came to mind when looking at your pics, and keep in mind I'm a 1st time Olds builder so the info I have comes from asking, not doing...

1) On your main cap, from what I've read it's recommended to grind /shape / blend the area where the pump mounts to match the opening of the pump. This is supposed to help tremendously with oil flow. Curious why you chose to skip this step?

2) Again from reading, many people mill 1/2" wide by .020" deep slots into the rod caps to aid in oil flow between the rods. I know you have aftermarket rods (how long are those mofos by the way??!?! NICE!)... did the rod manufacturer or vendor say anything about this mod?

3) Can't tell from your pics, did you blend the oil holes in the upper main saddle for increased flow?

Attached is what I did to my main cap and oil drain back holes.
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 24, 2015, 06:57:42 PM: Quote from: Chad89GT on April 24, 2015, 06:01:48 PM
Looks bad ass, bro! I'm building a warm 455 right now too. Nothing like yours, though!

Couple questions came to mind when looking at your pics, and keep in mind I'm a 1st time Olds builder so the info I have comes from asking, not doing...

1) On your main cap, from what I've read it's recommended to grind /shape / blend the area where the pump mounts to match the opening of the pump. This is supposed to help tremendously with oil flow. Curious why you chose to skip this step?

2) Again from reading, many people mill 1/2" wide by .020" deep slots into the rod caps to aid in oil flow between the rods. I know you have aftermarket rods (how long are those mofos by the way??!?! NICE!)... did the rod manufacturer or vendor say anything about this mod?

3) Can't tell from your pics, did you blend the oil holes in the upper main saddle for increased flow?

Attached is what I did to my main cap and oil drain back holes.

To simply answer all your questions I chose to not modify the main cap because I simply do not believe in that method. Keep in mind one builder to another that's just my preference. I did not have any oiling issues on the last motor just bearing clearances. As for notching the rods that was only described to me for the use of stock rods. Since I'm running an aftermarket eagle 7100 rod it's not necessary at all especially if you keep your side to side rod clearance between .017-.025 I myself am at .023. Also keep in mind blending will not hurt your odds at all but the olds never had an issue with oil flow but the main issue was drain back. Hope that answered your questions.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: GlassCutter on April 24, 2015, 08:45:27 PM: Mondello crank and rods? I'm curious about the measurements on the stroke and rod? Would you mind sharing? I'm curious if the decision to go with aftermarket rods was dictated more by length or strength. I sure hope it delivers the kind of kick in the pants you are hoping for. :thumbup:
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 24, 2015, 09:55:56 PM: Quote from: GlassCutter on April 24, 2015, 08:45:27 PM
Mondello crank and rods? I'm curious about the measurements on the stroke and rod? Would you mind sharing? I'm curious if the decision to go with aftermarket rods was dictated more by length or strength. I sure hope it delivers the kind of kick in the pants you are hoping for. :thumbup:

Let's get this strait nothing is Mondello as far as I'm concerned. Crank is Eagle and so are the rods. Tried to go to a diff vender and let's say it didn't work out as well. Stroke for the crank 4.500 rods 7100. On the market if you know of anything better out there I would sure love to know about it.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: GlassCutter on April 24, 2015, 10:48:55 PM: I'm sorry, I thought I had read that Mondello had put together the package for you. The rods looked like what is on their site and when I blew up you piston pic they are clearly stamped as Mondello Performance. With all the shortcomings that the original cranks have for performance I thought maybe Mondello was having their own design cast. Again, I hope this works out well for you, and that you can saw off a few Chevy's.
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 24, 2015, 10:53:33 PM: Quote from: GlassCutter on April 24, 2015, 10:48:55 PM
I'm sorry, I thought I had read that Mondello had put together the package for you. The rods looked like what is on their site and when I blew up you piston pic they are clearly stamped as Mondello Performance. With all the shortcomings that the original cranks have for performance I thought maybe Mondello was having their own design cast. Again, I hope this works out well for you, and that you can saw off a few Chevy's.

No problem I just want to give you guys the right facts on what I'm building. You ask I tell. Mondello can be misleading on their parts but in the end they are getting them from the same vender as the rest.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: kasper36 on April 25, 2015, 12:20:29 AM: I personally rode in his boat with the last motor and that thing is fast!!!!! I can only imagine what it will be like this time around it will be one lean mean 455
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 30, 2015, 03:24:33 PM: Man I tell you this build is being a pain in the a## not because of what engine it is but because the place I got my rotating assembly can't seem to get the parts right. Let's start with they gave me the wrong size bearing so I sent the wrong ones back and got a new set and those are for a stock rod!!! See where this is going? Also as mentioned before received the wrong Pistons that was .250 too long from deck hight giving me absolutely no compression. So they had to have another set made and they came in today to find out they weren't able to make them to the same weight as the old ones and they sent me Pistons for a 60 over bore not 30. What a mess. So in the end the shop I got the rotating assembly is now going to eat the cost of me having to take everything down and have it rebalanced and have my block bored to 60 over. I really hope this is the end to these problems!!! The good side is I gained a few more horses having to deal with this. It should be around a 495 now.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: mobboss on April 30, 2015, 04:33:55 PM: Dam not even going to ask who just keep your head up!!!! You'll get there!! I want some pic!!!

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on April 30, 2015, 04:36:55 PM: Quote from: mobboss on April 30, 2015, 04:33:55 PM
Dam not even going to ask who just keep your head up!!!! You'll get there!! I want some pic!!!

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No doubt and once everything is done being balanced I will get back on track with my build with plenty of pictures.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: GlassCutter on April 30, 2015, 08:50:41 PM: At least it sounds like a shop that is interested in making a customer for life. Good for them not trying to make you pay for the problems that one of their vendors has caused you. I hope things continue to fall your way, and you are able to hit those numbers you're hoping for.
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Bigblockchevy1691 on April 30, 2015, 09:21:22 PM: It sucks going through what you are going through. I think of it this way. Know what is wrong and making sure you are having the right parts will pay off at the end. I think this is a good topic. When you are building a good engine it takes a lot of research and the proper tools to measure. Keep up the good work bro we will be testing soon. Just a little set back but have to make sure it's right.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Maker on May 01, 2015, 12:12:58 PM: Nice build what cam grind are you going to run I'm currently doing a refresh on my 455
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on May 01, 2015, 12:43:42 PM: Quote from: Maker on May 01, 2015, 12:12:58 PM
Nice build what cam grind are you going to run I'm currently doing a refresh on my 455

Going roller hydraulic. Here is the cam specs.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on May 01, 2015, 12:45:05 PM: Quote from: Bigblockchevy1691 on April 30, 2015, 09:21:22 PM
It sucks going through what you are going through. I think of it this way. Know what is wrong and making sure you are having the right parts will pay off at the end. I think this is a good topic. When you are building a good engine it takes a lot of research and the proper tools to measure. Keep up the good work bro we will be testing soon. Just a little set back but have to make sure it's right.

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You know I will get through this and on top. It will be on the river this season for sure!!!

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on May 01, 2015, 12:46:04 PM: Quote from: GlassCutter on April 30, 2015, 08:50:41 PM
At least it sounds like a shop that is interested in making a customer for life. Good for them not trying to make you pay for the problems that one of their vendors has caused you. I hope things continue to fall your way, and you are able to hit those numbers you're hoping for.

Thanks and yea I think they are just as frustrated as I am.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Bunger on May 02, 2015, 01:26:24 PM: Idk how I missed this. Sweet build ! Can't wait to see how it turns out

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on May 13, 2015, 09:10:04 AM: Alright looks like things are looking up. Got the block and rotating assembly back from the machine shop and everything looks good. Right now I'm gaping the rings. Putting the second ring at .033 and the top ring at .025.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: RushinEliminator17 on May 13, 2015, 09:23:04 AM: Quote from: Xthaspot on May 13, 2015, 09:10:04 AM
Alright looks like things are looking up. Got the block and rotating assembly back from the machine shop and everything looks good. Right now I'm gaping the rings. Putting the second ring at .033 and the top ring at .025.

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Something tells me that deck surface isn't straight...

Iv seen sealing issues with aluminum heads to iron block and iron to iron...

I'd thread chase the head bolt threads too...

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on May 13, 2015, 09:29:21 AM: Quote from: RushinEliminator17 on May 13, 2015, 09:23:04 AM
Something tells me that deck surface isn't straight...

Iv seen sealing issues with aluminum heads to iron block and iron to iron...

I'd thread chase the head bolt threads too...

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It looks that way but it was checked and its strait.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on May 13, 2015, 10:31:11 AM: Just put the piston and rods together. Running an Eagle 7100 rod and a RaceTec piston.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on May 13, 2015, 02:09:59 PM: Rings are put on and Pistons/rods stabbed and torqued.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on May 13, 2015, 03:08:02 PM: Degreed the cam at 108.5.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Chad89GT on May 13, 2015, 04:11:33 PM: Looks like you're movin' right along... great progress! Curious what you piston, main and rod clearances are?
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on May 13, 2015, 05:10:10 PM: Quote from: Chad89GT on May 13, 2015, 04:11:33 PM
Looks like you're movin' right along... great progress! Curious what you piston, main and rod clearances are?

.0035 on the mains
.0030 on the rods.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on May 13, 2015, 05:48:33 PM: Oil pan and heads going on.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on May 13, 2015, 06:43:13 PM: Both heads on and my roller hydraulic set up installed.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on May 13, 2015, 08:34:35 PM: Well it's just about done. Been a long day but I think it came out good!!

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Bigblockchevy1691 on May 13, 2015, 08:57:30 PM: Yeah long day bro. Now it's time to get the boat ready for motor to drop in. Looks good and hope all the hard work pays off.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: MorePower on May 14, 2015, 08:21:51 AM: Can't wait to hear this thing!!!!! Great work man!
Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Xthaspot on May 14, 2015, 10:04:09 AM: Quote from: MorePower on May 14, 2015, 08:21:51 AM
Can't wait to hear this thing!!!!! Great work man!

Thanks buddy I'm super excited.

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Title: Re: Olds 482 stroker build
Post by: Bunger on October 27, 2015, 08:14:42 PM: How did this thing end up running?!

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