White Trash II has arrived! Carrera 20.5 Elite

« **Reply #25 on:** October 29, 2008, 10:25:41 PM »

I know, I was bummed, my buddy has a 2000 20.5 closed like that one with a 320 MPI small block, we got 76 MPH on GPS and I don't think it was done, nice boat, if I can get mine to the low 70's I will be totally stoked, it should look good, but I'm a little dismayed at how cheap I have seen boats on the market lately, I'm going to be in this one over what it's worth, but it'll be fun to build...

I will be doing some things to this one I have not done before, so should be an interesting ride...

GT

« **Reply #26 on:** November 23, 2008, 04:28:45 PM »

I got the trailers changed around yesterday, this one is mucho betta

Need to adjust it slightly but pretty damn close.

White Trash II has arrived! Carrera 20.5 Elite

« **Reply #27 on:** November 23, 2008, 05:31:20 PM »

Now that looks better.

But wow, that thing has one of those Super Transoms don't it (looks about 3" thick)

« **Reply #28 on:** November 23, 2008, 05:38:52 PM »

Quote from: propless on November 23, 2008, 05:31:20 PM

Now that looks better.

But wow, that thing has one of those Super Transoms don't it (looks about 3" thick)

Thanks proppy!

Stern drive boats require a thick transom and they have to uniform to one another, all of the drive power gets transmitted throught the transom...

I picked up a 2 HP polisher today also, you done polishing parts yet?

hope to see that Eliminator back together soon...

GT

« **Reply #29 on:** November 23, 2008, 06:01:29 PM »

Quote from: GT Jets on November 23, 2008, 05:38:52 PM

Thanks proppy!

Stern drive boats require a thick transom and they have to uniform to one another, all of the drive power gets transmitted throught the transom...

I picked up a 2 HP polisher today also, you done polishing parts yet?

hope to see that Eliminator back together soon...

GT

Thats what I thought , I remember the Daytona Tom and Josh converted to a jet. That boat had (I believe) 3 layers of wood in the transom. I believe it went from a stern drive to an OB to a Jet.

Polishing
No.

I spent the day rideing, while the weather is still OK. Needed to remove some rubber from the edges of the tires before putting the old GSX R away for the winter

« **Reply #30 on:** November 23, 2008, 08:38:21 PM »

I dont know how many of you remember how bad the oxidation was on my Hallett . Got a wild hair up my ass , whiped out the buffer , and through some polish on it . Thats it , no nothing , just a polish coat . The finish was very chaulky , tons of oxidation and it came right off .

Sorry about the night time shots

The top was almost as bad as the bottom , but not quite . You can see the diffrence between the top and the side I've done here .

The diffrence between the face of the dash and the top is night and day . I'll snap a pic of it .

-beerjet-

« **Reply #31 on:** November 23, 2008, 09:25:56 PM »

I always thought your boat was white (like the bottom)

, Nice job beerjet.

Now, go crawl under there and do the bottom.

BTW, Is that the original gell or paint ? I just noticed its capped (no rub rail)

« **Reply #32 on:** November 23, 2008, 09:29:34 PM »

Quote from: beerjet on November 23, 2008, 08:38:21 PM

I dont know how many of you remember how bad the oxidation was on my Hallett . Got a wild hair up my ass , whiped out the buffer , and through some polish on it . Thats it , no nothing , just a polish coat . The finish was very chaulky , tons of oxidation and it came right off .

Sorry about the night time shots

The top was almost as bad as the bottom , but not quite . You can see the diffrence between the top and the side I've done here .

The diffrence between the face of the dash and the top is night and day . I'll snap a pic of it .

-beerjet-

Yeah beerjet, I was origionally going to colorsand and polish this badboy, but not only are the colors hideous, but its been run aground a few too many times and Carrera does some interesting stuff with fades that would require a comlete re-do, ultimately it would be easier to re-spray the entire boat and start over, which will allow me to fill a bunch of oddly placed holes and do a color change, this boat looks white but its actually light grey, can't have grey trash, can we?

Anyway the polishing that I was speaking of were bolt in pretty parts, most of which I think proppy made.....That looks good though, hard to believe it came back like that. Are those white stripes gel or paint?

GT

« **Reply #33 on:** November 23, 2008, 09:51:52 PM »

It's gel. I was lookin at your pictures and there is a ton of colors and more than just a rub down needed . Those carrera's are sexy though. What outdrive you gonna stick on there ?

-beerjet-

« **Reply #34 on:** November 23, 2008, 10:03:34 PM »

I was origionally going to use my Bravo III (Two props counter rotating), but decided to use up a 1997 Alpha I and an already done small block Chevy, should make a 70 MPH boat out of it without trying too hard, lets just say economical, saving the Bravo III for "The" boat.

"K" code 350 Small block, Vortec heads, Volvo open plenum marine Vortec intake, Comp Cams XM270H Cam with roller Rockers from Comp also, Forged slugs and balanced, should do the job for saying I'm in it almost nothing (lots of parts just lying around collecting dust).

GT

« **Reply #35 on:** November 23, 2008, 10:13:40 PM »

Sorry about the trhead jack but , Would a bravo I hold up to decent (600-700ish) big block power?

-beerjet-

« **Reply #36 on:** November 23, 2008, 10:21:41 PM »

Oh hell yeah, the OEMs build em all the time, the weakest links in the Bravo's (I,II and III's) are the upper bearing housings, those can be beefed up to handle 1200-1400 HP, but by then you have a 120+ MPH boat and lots of other failures are going to plague you.

I have a good freind with another 20.5 Elite and a Bravo I powered by a Pfaff built 496, I know without question it makes over 800 ponies and all we did was put synthetic oil in the drive, he's on his 6th season. BTW the boat does 93 on GPS. A little spooky to drive though, you have to be on your game, chine walks like Micheal Jackson...

This is going to be a cruiser, I hope.. $:-\$

« **Reply #37 on:** November 23, 2008, 10:32:58 PM »

I've been lookin to put a bravo I on my Hallett . Dont know if the bottom is going to like going that fast but we'll see .

I'll be taking notes on the thread since I'm really unfarmiliar with outdrives and there relation to a boat . cant wait .

-beerjet-

« **Reply #38 on:** November 23, 2008, 10:37:07 PM »

Let me know if you have any specific questions, that's all I did for 15 years, if I don't know the answer, chances are I know someone who does...

« **Reply #39 on:** November 23, 2008, 10:52:56 PM »

Fo Sho ! Now get this thing back on topic before I "smite" your ass

-beerjet-

« **Reply #40 on:** November 23, 2008, 10:59:17 PM »

Quote from: beerjet on November 23, 2008, 10:52:56 PM

Fo Sho ! Now get this thing back on topic before I "smite" your ass

-beerjet-

Not yet , I have question first.

Is it true that most of the failures with stern drives are caused by shock loading the drive rather than actual power.

« **Reply #41 on:** November 23, 2008, 11:19:21 PM »

Quote from: propless on November 23, 2008, 10:59:17 PM

Not yet , I have question first.

Is it true that most of the failures with stern drives are caused by shock loading the drive rather than actual power.

All "fracture failures" are from shock loads, most of the failures "real world" are either from excessive heat and or bad maintenance or shear horsepower causing case distortion which leads to bad gear mesh and bearing preload issues.

I have seen several different scenerios with the same outcome, blown up upper gearcases (rarely lowers), synthetic oil (I am an Amsoil dealer so that's what I recommend

) makes a huge difference in the operating temperature making things live longer, not to mention lowering the friction factor and increasing the horsepower output to the shaft.

Shock load failures are most common in offshore applicatons where the drive is put under an enourmous amount of strain with 1500+ Hp engines and constantly leaving the water at over 100 MPH, if you enter the water under power, big things happen, (ever watched the throttle man in an offshore boat?).

Most lakes (with some exeptions) don't get a large enough chop to have this issue, but still happens.

I'm not sure that totally answered your question...Hope it did.

GT

« **Reply #42 on:** November 23, 2008, 11:30:16 PM »

Yea, that about covers it.

Thanks GT.

« **Reply #43 on:** December 06, 2008, 01:17:11 PM »

OK, as many of you already know, I am going to build aluminum seat frames for the Carrera, unfortunately I have to build them of melamine first, this will provide us with real fit patterns and enable us to create a "CAD" file to allow us to use the water table cutting machine for the permanent aluminum pieces. Apparently this is not done very often, being as I spent 2 hours calling around and only one place (North River) said this is something they do...

New territory I guess...

Should be interesting.

GT

« **Reply #44 on:** March 09, 2009, 10:35:24 PM »

Finally getting back on track with some real work... The weather is drying up a bit, so now down to brass tax...

The seat frame programming is done and should have som cutting done this month.

The big ass Cobalt is gone, so now I have a place to work again, should have the "doner boat" here at the end of the week if the field it's in is dry enough to drive on...Wait til you guys see this ugly bastard

I am going to get the boat dried out (again) and get the floors in it hopefully by the end of the month, meanwhile, I found a metallic sea Urchin in the oil pan of the jet boat

, I sure would like to win once...

Anyways, looking at some of your guys projects, I've got some catch up to do...

Stay tuned!

GT

« **Reply #45 on:** March 11, 2009, 08:56:59 PM »

Quote from: GT Jets on December 06, 2008, 01:17:11 PM

unfortunately I have to build them of melamine first, this will provide us with real fit patterns and enable us to create a "CAD" file to allow us to use the water table cutting machine for the permanent aluminum pieces.
GT

Two things..........what the heck is "melamine"? And, there will be no water table cutting allowed on this site...

Yes, we (I am) jealous...........

« **Reply #46 on:** March 11, 2009, 09:04:07 PM »

Quote from: jrork on March 11, 2009, 08:56:59 PM

Two things..........what the heck is "melamine"? And, there will be no water table cutting allowed on this site...

Yes, we (I am) jealous...........

If it makes you feel better we could use the laser table, but the water cuts nicer with "0" heat warping

Melamine is like a really inexpensive 1/4" particle board that is shiney/waxy on one side...Works super bitchen for making templates for anything flat that you want to be able to pick up once built...

GT

« **Reply #47 on:** March 11, 2009, 09:15:20 PM »

Quote from: jrork on March 11, 2009, 08:56:59 PM

Two things..........what the heck is "melamine"? And, there will be no water table cutting allowed on this site...

Yes, we (I am) jealous...........

Think laminate kitchen counters....you know the norm in Washington Kitchens

« **Reply #48 on:** March 11, 2009, 09:19:59 PM »

Quote from: OC2Vegas on March 11, 2009, 09:15:20 PM

Think laminate kitchen counters....you know the norm in Washington Kitchens

Paleeeze, we gave up laminate when we couldnt figg'r out how to speill it. Now purdy much all of us'n use blue tarps and duck tape for r countertops.... Brown tarps look alot like granite 2.....

« **Reply #49 on:** March 11, 2009, 09:28:09 PM »

Quote from: jrork on March 11, 2009, 09:19:59 PM

Paleeeze, we gave up laminate when we couldnt figg'r out how to speill it. Now purdy much all of us'n use blue tarps and duck tape for r countertops.... Brown tarps look alot like granite 2.....

ok, since your from the great NW you have to tell me something! What is with all the houses with the wood trim around the kitchen counters...almost every house I looked at!