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Boatwidow

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Banderlog: the good and the bad
« on: August 04, 2011, 04:10:33 pm »
Banderlog - why would this be good to run?  Do they ever fail?
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Re: Banderlog: the good and the bad
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2011, 04:47:04 pm »
I often thought of running one, kinda pricey. The only one I know of and got feedback from that ran one was TJSNordic and he had nothing but trouble with it and he abandoned it for a driver mounted control valve..... :banghead:

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Re: Banderlog: the good and the bad
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2011, 05:16:16 pm »
Thanks Ray!  I picked up a Banderlog on eBay for around $100.
I showed it to Phil at Blairs, who's fixing stuff up on Moo.
He had concerns about reliability and recommended the t-valve
with a valve at the driver's seat. This sounds good, but I might
be looking over at the exhaust a lot.  Don
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Re: Banderlog: the good and the bad
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2011, 05:39:29 pm »
Quote from: Boatwidow on August 04, 2011, 05:16:16 pm
Thanks Ray!  I picked up a Banderlog on eBay for around $100.
I showed it to Phil at Blairs, who's fixing stuff up on Moo.
He had concerns about reliability and recommended the t-valve
with a valve at the driver's seat. This sounds good, but I might
be looking over at the exhaust a lot.  Don

seems like a headache to keep having to open/close it.  what happens if u leave it open and slow down?  broken exhaust valves? 
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Re: Banderlog: the good and the bad
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2011, 05:59:55 pm »
On the race boat, we were running a Banderlog controller and had a ball valve attached to the throttle pedal, when the throttle was less than 1/4 open, the spring loaded valve was closed.

When traveling WFO going up a fast running river, you don't have time to be looking around, the high back seats and helmet restraints make it virtually impossible anyway. Running water injection was an option, but it was the only way with Shot Gun mufflers to get it below the sound limit, which at the time was worth 1 minute off your leg time... :thumbup:

I did like the preciseness of the Banderlog controller, I also liked the fact that you could switch it from the dash  :sly:

I have only seen one failure and turns out it was 100% operator error.....

My only warning would be; Electronics in a boat?  :screwy:

GT
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Quote from: Brad @ SoCalJetBoats.com on December 22, 2009, 07:40:31 pm
If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Quote from: IRRebel on June 11, 2011, 07:30:45 pm
Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
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Re: Banderlog: the good and the bad
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2011, 07:37:55 pm »
Quote from: GT Jets on August 04, 2011, 05:59:55 pm
On the race boat, we were running a Banderlog controller and had a ball valve attached to the throttle pedal, when the throttle was less than 1/4 open, the spring loaded valve was closed.

When traveling WFO going up a fast running river, you don't have time to be looking around, the high back seats and helmet restraints make it virtually impossible anyway. Running water injection was an option, but it was the only way with Shot Gun mufflers to get it below the sound limit, which at the time was worth 1 minute off your leg time... :thumbup:

I did like the preciseness of the Banderlog controller, I also liked the fact that you could switch it from the dash  :sly:

I have only seen one failure and turns out it was 100% operator error.....

My only warning would be; Electronics in a boat?  :screwy:

GT

Ya if you can get the fukin hunk of shit to work. I sent mine back 2 times and the owner forgot his name said he fixed it. Got it back same shit. Talked to him and finally gave up after his BS retoric and went with a basset T-valve and never gave me a hint of trouble. Oh and mine was no operator error. I know how to wire stuff. I have built complete wire harnesses for boats, cars, trucks, plows, strobes and more and EFI wire harnesses as well.
T.J.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2011, 07:40:41 pm by TJS Nordic »
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Re: Banderlog: the good and the bad
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 09:02:14 pm »
With the valve at the driver's seat, it sounds like a fail safe for the t-valve.  The Banderlog sounds like it's great until breaks.  Has anyone plumbed a valve to override a Banderlog just in case?  Ultimately, if I ever want to ski, Jana has to feel comfortable driving it without worrying about the valve at the driver's seat.
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Re: Banderlog: the good and the bad
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2011, 09:17:02 pm »
I've run a Banderlog valve since 2002. Not a single problem.

GT, the electronics are fully potted. Probably a greater likelyhood of an electronic ignition failing..........
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Re: Banderlog: the good and the bad
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2011, 09:23:47 pm »
Quote from: Oldsquirt on August 04, 2011, 09:17:02 pm
I've run a Banderlog valve since 2002. Not a single problem.

GT, the electronics are fully potted. Probably a greater likelyhood of an electronic ignition failing..........


LOL, I think mine was old enough to be "open" as far as the electronics, besides, I was referring to the questionable electrical systems most of the piles I have owned have....


I liked it, but it was always one of those things you really never have  100% faith in, knowhatamean?

GT
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Quote from: Brad @ SoCalJetBoats.com on December 22, 2009, 07:40:31 pm
If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Quote from: IRRebel on June 11, 2011, 07:30:45 pm
Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: Banderlog: the good and the bad
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2011, 10:41:01 pm »
GT, I can guarantee mine is older than yours. Jim Lee (Banderlog founder) was a part of our boating group. The test bed for development included the 461 Olds short block out of my old Tahiti. I purchased the first "customer" unit from him in Aug 2002. Had my current boat been water-ready sooner that summer I would have been one of the "beta testers"( I think those were the first 4 units).  I was a little concerned about its operation at first, but no where near as concerned as I was about the conventional t-valve set up. These days, I have no concerns at all. It has proven to be dead reliable.
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