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motormonkey

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Circle jet ???
« on: September 15, 2009, 05:32:26 PM »
Im going to continue converting my boat over. It was set up drag/lake with a small fuel injection tank. Im trying to figure out how many gallons Ill need to race a heat. What seems about right gallons wise.
Where are you getting or what are you using for seats. I dont think my light buckets will work. What about place diverters compared to cav plates.
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Circle jet ???
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2009, 05:34:50 PM »
depends on how much motor and carburation.
  • Boat #1: 1978 Liberty
  • Boat #2: 1982 Eliminator Sprint
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motormonkey

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Re: Circle jet ???
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2009, 05:53:13 PM »
How long is a race with warm up laps. Do you get by with 5 gallons. I still have injection on the motor now, I dont think it will be the one I use. I see that you have a bullet tank on yours.
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motormonkey

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Re: Circle jet ???
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2009, 05:53:57 PM »
Also what about the diverter compared to plates? And seat?
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Circle jet ???
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 06:07:32 PM »
2 warm up laps, 4 race laps (nationals are 5) and 1 cool down lap.

I have a tank that users about 7 or so gallons (not 100% sure of its capacity).....I have a 513ci with a 1150 carb. It uses about 90% of the fuel in the tank in a standard race.

in my opinion, using a diverter controlled by a handle is more of a safty hazzard then a benifit in a face. youre takin a hand off the wheel during a critical point in the race (decellertaing and turning).

if you rigged it up to a pedal, maybe...but i figure you would be fighting handling issues as your thrust is now forcing the transom up and bow down....and every turn's going to be different with the attitude of the boat because depending on your RPM depends on the trust which depends on bow attitude.

some guys in the skijet class back in the day would set up their diverter on the bowl at an angle so that as they turned, it would raise/lower the nozzle angel. this was becase they didnt allow diverters in this class.

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  • Boat #2: 1982 Eliminator Sprint
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motormonkey

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Re: Circle jet ???
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2009, 06:15:39 PM »
Thanks for answering some questions Brad. So sell the diverter :thumbdown: and go plates :thumbup:. My injection tank wont have the capacity then :thumbdown:, get 15 gl  fuel cell.  :thumbup: Ill probly run a carb setup on a bullet motor just for fun then. What about the seats.
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Circle jet ???
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2009, 06:23:58 PM »
i got my seat from a guy over on PB.....cant remember his name....he makes them.....maybe lance (nailhead) will chime in with more info as i have the same seat as he does.

they arent cheap (~$500), but well worth it.
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motormonkey

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Re: Circle jet ???
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2009, 06:48:40 PM »
Was thier any suprise tech stuff when you first set up your boat that could help me out to get it tech right the first time?
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Oldsquirt

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Re: Circle jet ???
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2009, 08:25:06 PM »
i got my seat from a guy over on PB.....cant remember his name....he makes them.....maybe lance (nailhead) will chime in with more info as i have the same seat as he does.

they arent cheap (~$500), but well worth it.

You talking about "Davey B" out in Arizona who does the aluminum framed race seats?
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wizard612

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Re: Circle jet ???
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2009, 08:18:58 AM »
I'm the guy Brad was talking about with the SkiJet boat with the cranked nozzel.  My two cents with the plates vs. nozzel is a bit more complicated.  Craig Millet's Comp Jets all varied 1) Rasperry, deep bow Rodgers 18' Cyclone- had nether and wouldn't recommmend them in that boat anyway.  2) Excalibur, 18' Rodgers Super Cyclone - custom up-down nozzel by McClure worked off left peddle and worked great to set up the boat in a turn could be a bit touchy if you were just trying to lower the bow in the chop but that is adjustable by the setup and return springs on the peddle.  3) Spirit, 18' Hondo Pantera straight deck - Custom peddel operated plates just like on a K-boat. Worked very well twin return springs on the stringer side push rod looked like garage door springs. Set the boat like a submarine and you could sqeeze on it in the chop to bring the bow down. But that boat had half the dead rize of the Rodgers and that made them four times as effective. 4) Spirit II, 19' Eliminator Daytona - first Daytona with plates similar system to the Hondo located only on the outside sponsons they were still effective due to the shallow dead rize  angle between the center pod and the sponsons but not as much as the hondo due to them only being about a foot wide each side.

Now we have only talked about handleing, speed I'd give it to the nozzel since plates increase wetted area.  If you want to talk cost, nozzel.  A well designed plate system like the hondo cost thousands and that was thirty years ago.

Bottom line starts with the hull type then goes to the courses your running and the costs you want to take on.  If I was to jump back in a boat I would probably go nozzel set up so full up is adjusted down to be legal and the fastest on GPS with big springs on a peddle so I would not accidently push down when I didn't want to. Then I would set the down angle to enough to blow the tail then dial it back a bit to race.

Other considerations, Brad has a point about blowing the tail but the bow not planting.  That's balance, hang everything close to the transom plant the nozzel or plates and exspect a wild ride.  Our Daytonas (one Comp Jet one SkiJet) both had drive shafts moving the CG forward.  It was a bit tough for my SkiJet to carry the bow sometimes but otherwise I would have just crused past the turns and waved as the rest went arround the bouys.  My cranked nozzel (which you can't do with a droop) was for setting into and through a turn only, would not help settle the boat in the chop.  It also kept my competition thinking I had a scew loose which was just fine with me.
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motormonkey

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Re: Circle jet ???
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2009, 05:03:23 PM »
Thanks Wizard, sent a PM to you.
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