Oh I so agree Tom. Look at the test in proof. Washington DC, where it is ( or was) illegal to own any sort of firearm not registered, such as a machine gun is registered, prior to, I beleive, 1982. ( This has been recently revoked I think). But what happened? DC became the murder capital of the WORLD. Crooks knew no victims would be armed and had their way with whatever they wanted. Nearly double the car jackings than all of southern california, yeah, not a pretty sight.

Anyone who thinks the 2nd Amendment is antiquated and no longer has bearing needs to look at reality. While the 2nd was an insurance policy for the masses to overthrow just the same government we see today, it's more important to realize it guarantees the lawful citizen the right to self defense of life and liberty.

If you're daft enough to beleive it's the LAw Enforcement communities responsibility to do that, well, think again. On the side of nearly ever patrol car in the US says, "To Protect and Serve". That don't mean you and me. That means to Protect and serve the LAW! Nice to know they'll be all over investigating my murder, but will they prevent it? Nope, no law was broken until they did it.

Ray

Whell just be glad the new attorney general thinks that the second amendment does not give the right to bare arms. With this philosophy we’ll all be safe. (sarcasm) In Germany, in the 1940’s they did the same thing. If you owned a gun you had to register it. Them the government had a list to collect from. If you didn’t relinquish your guns, you had to sit in jail until the firearm was recovered.
 The chipping away has started for socialized medicine also. The government is going to streamline the medical industry. That in it self is an oxymoron, “ government streamlining anything” Is the DMV streamline, is the IRS streamline, just to mention a few. The new stimulus package is going to automate the medical profession with the pretense of saving money. While automating, it will be regulated. The professionals and industry will be required to jump threw government hoops. This will screw the industry up. This is what happened in the Mortgage industry. Look where that’s gotten us.
 The economy is in this shape because the government is medalling in it. If they would just leave it alone it would correct it self. It might be painful, but there would not be 1.5 trillion in NEW dept. The president says in one breath “We have to learn to live within our means”, in the next breath he says “We need the 800 billion dollar stimulus bill to save the economy” Which is it? If the country is in a hard spot because people over barrowed. Then how are we going to fix it by more barrowing form our future?
 

We are in deep shit if this gets any momentum.

Ray, I gotta jump in with a comment. Most cops want to serve and keep people think. There is what the executive level guys say and some go for gun control and that crap. The men and women who are on the street almost all believe that everyone should have a gun, and know how and when to use it. They don't make the laws...they enforce the ones they are given and told by you and everyone else out there who votes for the out of touch, uninformed, self promoting, money grubbing poiticians. Those cops who it is so easy to blame everything bad that happens on, are pretty much like everyone else, with a family, kids and their own opinions. Most of em would rather not investigate a murder or have to deal with law breakers after the fact. But the politicians and lawyers have created a system that they have to work in that makes it that way.

My point is, point the blame where it belongs. Not on the guys and gals who probably think more like "joe everybody" than not.

As to the gun conrol, taking away and registering/restricting guns has been such a grand succesful experiment everywhere they have done it (NOT!). YOu would think that these "do gooders" would learn from history. Not a freakin chance. They are going to save us from ourselves even if history will suggest it will destroy everything we believe in.

Dave

Right on comments Ray. I just read the bill from one end to the other. While this one may not pass it is a good start for them. Holly crap.
DT

                      A history lesson in gun control.





* "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made so by the exertions of better men than himself"   John Stuart Mill
* "In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, Brave, Hated and Scorned.  When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot"   Mark Twain
I know we all are very much aware of the stats that supports the benefit of citizen ownership of guns, and this is just another clear cut example.  It's just amazing how liberals turn a blind eye to the obvious crime statistics associated with gun control.  Of course it just falls in line with their basic lack of common sense and inability to connect the dots.
'Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups'

A Little Gun History Lesson

  In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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  In 1911, Turkey established gun control.  From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
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  Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminate
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  China established gun control in 1935.  From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and  exterminated.
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  Guatemala established gun control in 1964.  From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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  Uganda established gun control in 1970.  From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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  Cambodia established gun control in 1956.  From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and  exterminated.
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  Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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  It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own
 government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:  Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent

  Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

  In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.  Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
  It will never happen here?  I bet the Aussies said that too! 

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
  There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY.  Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns..  The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
  You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

  Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

  Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

  The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of this history lesson

  With Guns....... .. ....We Are 'Citizens'.

  Without Them.......  We Are 'Subjects'.



  During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
  Note:  Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attaché to the U. S. 1925-28.

Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend the country.
  It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor

 attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all households had guns.
  If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all your friends!

  AND NEVER, NEVER, NEVER SURRENDER YOUR GUNS!!!


 

  (With Guns....... .. ....We Are 'Citizens')





This is was sent to me via email , so if you have already read it......... Read it again

Lol, My dad has carried one of those NAA's for YEARS now. He swears by it. I can say this, when I go back east, he has me maintenance all his guns, and I shoot most of them. Never had a misfire on that lil thing!

RAy

Cool but I don't need no Scope Bro !

24 grains 2400 180JHP will take out and engine block or a Grizzly or ??

Oh, and I can switch hit between the barrel shroud with the scope or without. But anything over 75 yards or so, really need the scope, and a bench if over 100. Guess I'm getting old.....

Honestly though, with the scope set up right for you, it is AMAZING how easy it is.

Ray

Back when I shot in the clubs, years ago, Tom, used to shoot all metal silouhettes(sp). KNock them over or spin them, whatever the station needed. Was all a 'Woods walk' shooting at metal targets, birds, bears, could be 20 yards or 200. used to get a check every couple of weeks for $300 or more. Paid my mortgage at the time back there. My wife loved it. 'Tis why I bought the first .357 Maximum Dan Wesson to begin with.

Combat shoots, well another matter as to why I went 10mm and am still a huge fan.

Ray

My dad a couple of years ago, took an 8 point whitetail, running away from him while he was in a treehouse, at 75 yards, with a gun I had bought him for his birthday (a .41 magnum Ruger Blackhawk), that he had never shot, nor had I. He was 60 at the time, and the gun was not sighted in.

Took it from the base of the skull. Deer dropped immediately.

I've always wanted to be as good as he is. He's done many a shot like that.

Ray

Anyone know of a good place in OC or the inland empire to get a good price for a handgun.  Figure I can trust too many people nowadays!  Plus I need to get better at the range.  Thanks guys.