SoCal Jet Boats
Discussion => The No Wake Zone => Topic started by: Tio Pancho on July 13, 2010, 11:31:25 AM
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How old were you and your friends when you first went to the lake/river with your friends and no parents? This issue is rearing its ugly head at my house. This is going to be a 3 day deal. I think at Havasu. Things have changed a lot since I first went.
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How old were you and your friends when you first went to the lake/river with your friends and no parents? This issue is rearing its ugly head at my house. This is going to be a 3 day deal. I think at Havasu. Things have changed a lot since I first went.
When I could afford to buy my own boat! 20.
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I was 18 and went with a friend who had his own boat. We both had boating experience and were able to be safe and still have fun.
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I was a jr. in high school and we went to Lake Perris. Had been driving boats for 5 years at that point.
Bought my own jet at 18.
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the weekend i turned 18 left at 3 am got there at 6 am and stay in my truck cuz i couldnt afford a room lol
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frank
talking about Bebo. did you get his boat going? to answer your question - started about 17.
yes things have change since we were young jet boaters :o
you met my son at puddingstone when we swapped trailers - so i'll be checking in with you next year :D
good luck,
john
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18 with my girlfriend (Now my wife) in pop's boat, Mr. Whoopie. Some of the best memories of our life. :thumbup:
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No it's not Bebo it's my older son (18). I think I have become more paranoid as a father than when I was young.
Bebo's boat is getting pretty close. Should be finishing up the motor in a couple of weeks.
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I was 16 or 17. Stayed at our mobile in big river.
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so theres some unanswered questions....
Who's boat is he taking? his own? yours? going with friends who have a boat?
was he raised on the river/lakes? has he been around boats a lot and knows the common sense of boating? or is this something new to him?
who is he going with?
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so theres some unanswered questions....
Who's boat is he taking? his own? yours? going with friends who have a boat?
was he raised on the river/lakes? has he been around boats a lot and knows the common sense of boating? or is this something new to him?
who is he going with?
these are all good questions!
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Dont be afraid to stand your ground. Having same issues with my 18 yr old. Dam did we think we knew it all at that age too. Hes gona give me gray hair, oh sh-t he did damm. After saterday I will be living there at the lake .Good luck Tio. :banghead:
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Frank, sorry in advanced, but I was boating by myself at 13 years old on the Rogue River in Oregon....115 horse Mercury outboard jet (tiller) on a 17' sled...I was not allowed to go to fast water, but fished in the slow shallows of the lower Rogue...Good times!!!
A lot has changed since then, My call is 18 y/o...Old enough to vote, old enough to boat... ;)
I would feel better about some sort of responsible chaperon though :thumbup: Oh and no :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: at all.
Good luck with that bro. :screwy:
GT
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Your boat? His Boat? No Boat? To answer your question I had a guys weekend at the lake at 16 with no boat. Dad didnt let me take his boat to the water alone until I came back from Saudi And I was 21 and had been to war twice. If it is the kids boat and he bought it and pays the insurance on it and the car he is pulling it with I gotta side with him. If not It is all your call. If he is going to the lake to camp with no boat then I personally say 16 is a good number.
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Brad, I purposely did not put in too much info so as to get a more varied set of responses. ;D Gonna have a talk to the parents of the kid whos house they will be using. Heres what I know.
3 Kids. 2 are 18 one 17.
No boats or PWC's.
I told my son no beer (We will see how that goes).
We have not done any boating in the last few years, and just a little when they were young. But my son is extremely capable and smart. What gets me is that he is not as much of a "leader" as he should/could be. I am more worried about peer pressure than his direct actions.
I have a saying about my boys because they are so different. "If I am ever in any kind of trouble I would want Brandon by my side. Bebo will get me killed before I hit the sidewalk."
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Well......................You know the no beer thing is probably a fantasy. What did you do at 18? By 18 I was getting my ass kicked out of the back of a c-130 over Panama. So I really have a hard time identifying with the kids today. I was packing a Mossberg 500A and 78lbs of equipment through the jungle after Noriega's peeps. But If what you taught him took he will do fine and if it didnt I do not expect that he is going to pick it up now either. I would never offer that input without you asking...............but ya did!
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Brad, I purposely did not put in too much info so as to get a more varied set of responses. ;D Gonna have a talk to the parents of the kid whos house they will be using. Heres what I know.
3 Kids. 2 are 18 one 17.
No boats or PWC's.
I told my son no beer (We will see how that goes).
We have not done any boating in the last few years, and just a little when they were young. But my son is extremely capable and smart. What gets me is that he is not as much of a "leader" as he should/could be. I am more worried about peer pressure than his direct actions.
I have a saying about my boys because they are so different. "If I am ever in any kind of trouble I would want Brandon by my side. Bebo will get me killed before I hit the sidewalk."
Frank, your last sentence says it all....He sounds like a responsible Joe (or Brandon ;D ) and I would say it would make his day to be able to do this....The only question is......Are his friends people you would put your trust in? That there is the hard part..
I would let my 16y/o daughter do anything she asked of me, but it would totally depend on which "friends" she is with....My son on the other hand.........Uh...MMMMM no way in hell... ;D
BTW, those rockers going to work out?
GT
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I was 15 or 16.Went to Needles and camped at needles Marina.Yes we drank a lot of beer that weekend.My buddy passed out in the river and I had to fish him out.Did not have a boat and my parents did not know I went down there.I am sure they knew what was up because I came home sun burnt and hung over.
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Austin - first off much respect for serving our country. :thumbup: Secondly, you are right, I did ask. No hurt feelings here.
GT - Thats the whole thing. Who he is going with. When I was 18 my dad let me borrow his car, and take 2 of my 16 year old buddies to Glamis for 3 days. The difference is I had a lot more respect from my dad for my level of truthfullnes. Not saying I was always truthfull, who is? But I never wanted to let my dad down, not that my son intends to. But the parents of the other kids even wrote emergency medical notes. I promised my dad no beer and stuck to it! I never in my life had to sneek out of the house because if I was going to get drunk, even at 18 I would let my dad know how I was getting home or where I was staying. Just a matter of respect for him.
I think I will probably let him go, but let him know what he stands to lose by way of respect.
Sorry for the soapbox
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I think I will probably let him go, but let him know what he stands to lose by way of respect.
I think that says it there.
Be sure he understands what being 18 and drunk in Havasu. "Don't call home cuz we ain't coming," that's what I always heard.
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life is a bitch did you ever think that you come to the day when he ask you to do what he's doing things was alot diff when we grew up my dad would just kick my ass for looking at him funny but still had lots of fun did'nt drink and still don't sounds like your kid will do just fine have faith in him you forsure love the kid or you wouldn't be worried make you tell him you do love him good luck :)
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life is a bitch did you ever think that you come to the day when he ask you to do what he's doing things was alot diff when we grew up my dad would just kick my ass for looking at him funny but still had lots of fun did'nt drink and still don't sounds like your kid will do just fine have faith in him you forsure love the kid or you wouldn't be worried make you tell him you do love him good luck :)
Hey rusty.....
No offense intended bud, but your stuff is hard to read :sly: .....Take a breath once in a while ;D
Use some of these badboys; , . / ? ! & ()[] ' " : ;)
Just playin' bro. :thumbup:
GT
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i was 20... i drove out alone, and met up with my buddy in havasu... then i was 21 when i took my seadoo out...
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Because there is a minor involved, there is a lot of liability...just say NO.
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I hear ya P-Jet. Thats the other biggest hangup I have. Need to confirm these kids ages.
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to add to this convosation... i am 23.. young i guess... and i have seen things that many parents would not like... im not going to lie im no angle... when i was 18 my parents let me go to glamis with my cuzin and his friends... ALL DRINKERs... i did drink but not goet drunk.. i wasnt a drinker.. as the years went on my parents let me of the nipple alittle... i pretty much do what i want... even at 19 and 20 i did alot of things... cause i was legal... but like you said i have RESPECT for my parents so i alwys let them kno what i am doing... and i still do...
i dont want to mess up my life or my parents.. and most peeps think the same way...
i dont kno if this helps but here ya go
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Thats the part we struggle with. The honesty. I would not have such a problem if I could believe a lot more of what he says. Or not be left with the feeling that he didn't lie, but did not tell me the whole story. Trust me, we don't have him on the nipple. After my wifes surgery 2 weeks ago, he drove my crewcab F350 pulling a 26' trailer with the rest of my family to central cal at night. He can totally handle himself.
It is the fact that at times he doesnt seem to be able to be himself and not follow the crowd.
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It is the fact that at times he doesnt seem to be able to be himself and not follow the crowd.
That's the tough one...Don't set him up to fail... and don't be afraid to drop by and check on him... My old man never hesitated to casually swing by and check things out at random... kept me on my toes, usually.
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There comes a time when we must "believe and have faith" in OURSELVES as parents.
All too often we doubt and don't give ourselves enough credit for
the time and energy spent raising our young adults. We often doubt our young adults
and do not have enough trust or faith in them...regardless if they are leaders or followers.
YES he will party, YES he will drink, YES he will have fun...but such is life.
We as parents need to remind ourselves that WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB!
That we have given our young adults the tools to be successful and responsible.
YES they will mess up and make many mistakes...but as long as they
have the ability and learn from those mistakes, then WE have been successful
at parenting.
Tio: I say have a little faith and let him go. Let him see that "you are trusting him"
with this. I'm sure that he'll be thankful and will enjoy himself.
BTW: kids lie to us because they want nothing more than to please their parents.
In their eyes, we are Greek Gods and Goddesses.
It's normal. Heck I'm 40 and I still lie to my mom HAHAHAHHA!
If I had an 18 year old son, I would let him go and learn the lessons of life.
Well, I have a 10 year old daughter..and when she turns 18, she'll ask
me to go to the river with her friends. I'll say HELL TO THE EEFING NO!!
HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!
Happy Parenting,
Sam
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Nice job jeepnsam... :thumbup:
I guess the way I have to look at it is, you learn more from your mistakes then you do from your successes....If the mistakes aren't made when you're younger, you just make them later in life when it costs more...
GT
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This is an awesome question. I never really thought about it until right now as I look back over my boating years. I bought my first boat at 19 and that was the first time I went out without my parents around. I know my parents trusted/trust me majorly, even to this day and I guess being on a boat since I was born helps. Along with being taught everything about boats and safety. Kind of like when I was taught to shoot a gun/hunt at such a young age. Have to respect what you are doing which helps you be a little safer. It also helped I never had a drop of alcohol while I was driving any of my boats. Great question though.
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35 got a late start :-[
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At 23 or so we went with no parents AND A KEG ! 5 or 6 couples just going out of control for most of a week, camped just downriver from Water Wheel. At some point we came back from a ski run and beached (or maybe not) the boat, and proceeded to party. Some hours later someone notices the boat is gone. After a quick headcount we send a guy on a stand up jetski to find it. He did -- over 3 miles downstream halfway to Red Rooster.
Live and learn at all ages I guess.
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Jeep - great answer. I have to remember that for the future. Trust in what I have done. My son and I talked about it a little last night, but I will probably know by tonight what is going to happen.
Thanks everyone for your input.
Frank
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I was a Freshman in high school my buddy Jimmy Leblanc and Jimmy Hurtubise built a 9 ft pram put a Evevrude on it. Still have a picture with Jim driving it, we used to share. Jim went driving race car and I went race boats.
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as soon as I could drive my dad let us go with his boat. so sophmore in high school.
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My 1st solo trip with a friend was at 17. My friend and I took our stand up Jet Ski's to Havasu for the weekend. I started pulling my dad water skiing at 12 years old so I had quite a bit of experience being on the water. I am pretty sure thats why my parents let me go.
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I was 18 and I had just bought my boat from my dad, went with my girlfriend who is now my wife and a couple buddys.
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So my son and I had a talk last night about responsibilities and maturity. Even used a sketch pad to make my point. It went very well and I am going to let him go.
I think from now on I am going to use powerpoint and graphs when we need to talk about stuff!a :D
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Good plan, I love Powerpoint.
My parents snuck up on the issue. Gave me different responsibilities gradually. Dad let me take the Skipjack out to Newport for the Christmas Boat Parade with my buddies. Anchored off John Wayne's house and even talked to him. First river trip was with the race team to Bluewater four guys, two with girlfriends. Only drinking was after racing but it was waaaay too much. Gota learn I guess. Sober by the time to go home.
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My first solo trip was when I bought my 71 hondo flat w/ a 400 SBC in it...Went out there, broke the boat, fixed the boat, broke the boat, fixed the boat...you get the idea. I was 19 at the time. I sold the boat when I got home.
My folks used to give me more and more responsibility as the years went on...first it was sitting on dad's lap steering, then he'd let me drive out of the no wake zones, then drive the boat at speed, then pull skiers...I eventually, I think at 12 or so would take the boat to and from the ramp solo. That was with the old 16' regatta w/ a 100hp evinrude on it. Once pop's bought the Nordic w/ a 200hp merc, I only drove that boat once, and it died on me. I think it's a POS, and I'm scared of it...mostly becuase I don't want to pay to fix a blowed up Merc...
Then I got my Mako and started doing trips with the better half last year after 10 years of being away from the river....It's too much fun to give up again.
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That same year I bought my dads 81' 21 open bow sbc panther omega off of him and ran that until senior year and traded that thing for a 2003 cr 250 (in 03) sold it the same day and bought my brendella bubble deck. and ran that thing for 6 years strong. man i miss both those boats bad. I found out a few years ago that the guy that got the omega sunk it on mead 3 weeks after he got it from me. I guess he left it out there, I know he never pulled it up.
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In our discussion/presentation last night, I think that Brandon finally understood where I am coming from. Like I said before, I could let him pull a boat by himself to the river and handle the boat no problem. Thats not the issue. Its the social aspect and being able to stand your ground when you know that either something is not right and speak up, or when you know you shouldn't be doing something.
I know we all dealt with the last one as younguns, but that is his kryponite.
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35 got a late start :-[
Fock I was 45 Ralph, and my pop is STILL giving me greif over these boats from 2600 miles away! :thumbup:
Gonna have this same debacle with RJ real soon though. That scares the hell outta me as he's adopted the Moo boat as his......maybe I need to leave the motor out of it and install an electric trolling motor this time around! >:D
Ray
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I grew up about 3 miles from the Allegheny River and I was disobeying my Mothers rule of "Never go near that dirty death trap of a river" as soon as I was able to ride a bicycle that 3 miles, I'm guessing around 8 y/o. We use to build rafts and docks with forts next to them on the shore. Fished for carp and catfish the only fish that could live in the polluted water back then.
My Father took me boating there before that, that's how I knew how to get there by 8 y/o. My dad let me use his boat when I was old enough to drive/tow it there at 16 but I was going to the river with older buddies before that in there or there fathers boats, Around 13 or 14 I'm thinking.
Bought my own first boat in the 80's.
Hey Ray take the engine out of Moo and tell RJ when he's able to put it back in and get it running on his own and old enough to legally tow it to the water he can. That's what my Dad did. Roy.
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I am betting that you have taught him well and that when presented with a dilemma that all of your imparted wisdom will shine through. That is how it works and many times what he learned wont pop out till he is pushed into a corner and has to know it. how many times have you thought to yourself "damn Im glad dad taught me that" I am betting on him to do just fine. He will fuck up just like all of us but what you have taught him will overcome!
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Well its playing out right now, and it seems to be going well.
In my conversation with the other kids dad, he told me that the only reason that his son is being allowed to go is because my son is going. He said that he can see that Brandon is responsible :sly: and can handle himself. Its nice to hear that from someone else. I guess sometimes I cant see the forrest for the trees.
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Hey Ray take the engine out of Moo and tell RJ when he's able to put it back in and get it running on his own and old enough to legally tow it to the water he can. That's what my Dad did. Roy.
Oh but he CAN! He knows every nut and bolt in that boat! :thumbup:
He keeps telling me, from back east "no blower this time dad, don't need it"
From my experience with Frank though, I think both of his sons are fine, upstanding young men! Easy for us as dads to picture the worst in them sometimes....... :screwy:
Ray
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Update - We are doing well so far. He has called me a couple of times to say everything is cool. Right now he is BBQing. Damn, I should have gone too!
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Update - We are doing well so far. He has called me a couple of times to say everything is cool. Right now he is BBQing. Damn, I should have gone too!
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Ok so they got home and everyone is in one piece. I can honestly say that this has probably been the greatest accomplishment from a parenting standpoint that I personally have had. I am very glad that I let him go. He came back with a gleam in his eye that any parent wishes for their child. The spark of a new experience has done wonders for him. On his way back he called me to say that after watching all the cool boats he would like to buy and install a stereo for Bebo's boat before he gets home on Wednesday (Bebo's B-day was last Wed).
What impressed me most was not only the willingness to buy the stereo but the effort that it would take to install it in such a hurried manner. The money that Brandon planned on spending would come from what he has been saving to buy a mountain bike for himself.
So far so good. :thumbup:
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Ok so they got home and everyone is in one piece. I can honestly say that this has probably been the greatest accomplishment from a parenting standpoint that I personally have had. I am very glad that I let him go. He came back with a gleam in his eye that any parent wishes for their child. The spark of a new experience has done wonders for him. On his way back he called me to say that after watching all the cool boats he would like to buy and install a stereo for Bebo's boat before he gets home on Wednesday (Bebo's B-day was last Wed).
What impressed me most was not only the willingness to buy the stereo but the effort that it would take to install it in such a hurried manner. The money that Brandon planned on spending would come from what he has been saving to buy a mountain bike for himself.
So far so good. :thumbup:
Hey Brandon....Thank you for not letting us all down!!!!
Oh and Happy Birthday Bebo.. :thumbup: :thumbup: