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GlassCutter

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Warning: Not Boating related
« on: May 29, 2008, 11:48:56 AM »
I need an answer and I don't know who else to ask right now.  Question:  Did Chevrolet make an SS Camaro with a 454 in 1969?  I thought there were no regular production 454's until 1970. A friend is looking at some parts on Eprey and it sounds fishey to me. (Fishey is kinda boat related ain't it?)
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crewchief22

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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2008, 12:15:03 PM »
Because of a big strike at that time the 1969 body style Camaro production ran until early 1970.  I don't think the 454 was ever offered in the first gen Camaro body.

I use to own a 69 Camaro and still have a lot of literature.
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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2008, 12:17:17 PM »
396 yes, but no 454
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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2008, 12:23:49 PM »
The Camaro for '69 started half way thru the productioin year due to tooling changes so technicaly (sp) they're all '69 1/2s. There was a Z-L1 427 Camaro offered that year. It can be quickly identified by a color matched urethane front bumper and rear bumper gaurds.
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GlassCutter

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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2008, 01:18:00 PM »
OK one more Q.  My buddy wants a 4 gear to replace his 3 speed because he is turning too many RPMs on the freeway.  Will the 4 gear lower it much if at all?  I believe he said he has 3.73s but I don't understand how he can be spinning the motor more than 3K at 75 mph.  Maybe he has 4.10s?  It is a 10 bolt if that makes any difference.
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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2008, 01:33:42 PM »
OK one more Q.  My buddy wants a 4 gear to replace his 3 speed because he is turning too many RPMs on the freeway.  Will the 4 gear lower it much if at all? 

No, not at all. Top gear in each trans is 1:1. He would need to change to a numerically lower rear axle ratio to bring his cruise rpms lower.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2008, 01:59:09 PM by Oldsquirt »
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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2008, 01:35:03 PM »
A 4spd won't make a difference,if he's looking for FWY flyer gears tell him to get a T-5 5 speed, same evrything as a 4 speed but with a .58:1 5th gear.
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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2008, 02:01:49 PM »
Thanks for the quik replies.   Now back to our regularly scheduled BS  errr programing...
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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2008, 03:55:53 PM »
I got a line on a tranny out of a vette. It looks like a muncie four speed w/ a automatic tranny lookin thing hanging off the back. Dude says it's a vette 7 speed. Anybody know anything about them?
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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2008, 04:00:44 PM »
what about that YENKO style camero wasnt that a 454?
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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2008, 04:10:12 PM »
what about that YENKO style camero wasnt that a 454?

so was the copo
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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2008, 04:46:29 PM »
The first Yenkos were not a chevy factory production and only came with a 427 (dealer modified) until late '68 when the 427 were factory installed (was kept a secret) and then only delivered to Yenko Chevrolet.

The COPO's were also only 427 factory installs (started in '69) and the very first ones were delivered to only Yenko Chevrolet, after that any dealer could order them.

So, no...if its a YENKO/COPO with a 454 its a fake or modified(and what idiot would modify either of those works of art :screwy:)

Your correct that the 454 wasnt sold until 1970 but the 427 shares the same stroke as 454 but differnt crank, etc. But NO 69 came FACTORY with a 454, PERIOD! ;D
« Last Edit: May 29, 2008, 04:54:24 PM by OC2Vegas »
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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2008, 05:43:39 PM »
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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2008, 01:52:59 AM »
The 454 and 427 share the same BORE, 4.250, different, 4.0 to 3.760, stroke..........MP
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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2008, 07:21:17 AM »
Anybody trying to sell an SS 454 1969 Camaro should be in jail! :sly: I guarantee its not a #'s maching car, could also just be a typo, but doubt it very much. If it was an actual propuction car the thing would be worth $1,000,000+ on Barret Jackson. :screwy:
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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2008, 08:07:17 AM »
I was surprised to read how many people know the dealio on '69 Camaro's, 454's, copo's, and 427's. I thought I was the only one that stored that kind of worthless information. Oh yea, 197phukin4 was the year that unleaded came out.  :banghead:
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GlassCutter

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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2008, 08:47:42 AM »
After corresponding with the seller he now says it is originally a small block car that was turned into a big block show car.  The car got wrecked somehow and was parted out.  It sounds questionable enough that I don't think my buddy wants to get involved with it.  I told him in the beginning that a T-5 was the way to go but he wanted to stay OEM.  Actually my first suggestion was an 18 spline Hemi box  >:D but he didn't think that was too helpful. Force of habit I guess.    Thanks guys for the helpful info.
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OC2Vegas

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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2008, 09:53:55 AM »
The 454 and 427 share the same BORE, 4.250, different, 4.0 to 3.760, stroke..........MP

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HDriderTH

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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2008, 10:00:40 AM »
After corresponding with the seller he now says it is originally a small block car that was turned into a big block show car.  The car got wrecked somehow and was parted out.  It sounds questionable enough that I don't think my buddy wants to get involved with it.  I told him in the beginning that a T-5 was the way to go but he wanted to stay OEM.  Actually my first suggestion was an 18 spline Hemi box  >:D but he didn't think that was too helpful. Force of habit I guess.    Thanks guys for the helpful info.

T-5s are really small and lightwieght, I dont think it'd be good behind a big block.
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GlassCutter

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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2008, 10:47:13 AM »
It would be going in behind a 383 w/ appx 400 hp garage queen that only gets driven on Sunday mornings kinda thing.
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HDriderTH

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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2008, 11:06:44 AM »
I just built a nice "H" beam rod 383 last weekend for 80 Nordic. Also just sold a T-5, $400. I'm building me a '56 chevy, I've got a bitchen '63 T-10 ready to go but found this overdrive manual trans out of a vette, could be interesting.....
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Re: Warning: Not Boating related
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2008, 04:50:33 PM »
Vette 7 speed is a pos. Good for anemic small blocks under 300hp. It is a crappy 4 speed with an overdrive unit built into the output shaft casing. Better off getting a muncie or better yet a hemi 4 speed and adding on a gear vender's od unit. A cheaper way to go is with the t-5 if you don't have much hp or fork out the cash for the Tremec TKO 500 or 650. Or if you have gigabucks, drop in a Lenco. Nothing looks as nice as 4 sticks sticking up through the trans tunnel!!!
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