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Discussion => The No Wake Zone => WarZone => Topic started by: GT Jets on December 08, 2015, 10:46:59 PM

Title: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: GT Jets on December 08, 2015, 10:46:59 PM
Just thought I would start a post about what I've been up to lately.

So, I need to refinance my home. In order to do that, I needed a new roof.

Get some quotes,  even got one from a close friend who is a roofing contactor. Holy crap.

So, lowest bid, in excess of $9,500, without extras/hidden damage.

Decided to do it myself. Literally myself.  What a moron.

So after replacing about 30% of the sheeting,  ridge beams,  facia boards,  straightening out about 20 rafters, custom gutters, dry rot repairs, flashing bla bla bla.. $6k and about a month. Done deal.

Take a week to heal, sleeping on the couch,  hear water dripping in the kitchen, can't figure it out. Turns out, dishwasher has a leak under the pump, little cracked plastic piece.. Hmmm. Take dishwasher out,  remove floor, still hear water dripping WTF?

Found out the water line was leaking inside the door of the refrigerator. Damn.

Subfloor soaking wet,  enough to rust the nails.

Still hear water leaking.  Find out that the drain lines are all broken to hell. No winning here. Shit.

So the house is 40 years old, galvanized steel pipe. Find nearly thirty pinhole size leaks.

Repipe to copper, everything, repair all the drains,  new subfloor  in the kitchen, after squaring up the floor joists (high in the middle by 3/8"), had to tear out the oven, the cabinets (which were wet) drywall 12" up from the floor. .

Holy crap.

Now I'm installing the tile, have to build new cabinet boxes, can't afford new countertops, so those are blocked up.

I'm tired, out of money and have not had a weekend in three months.

Once I refinance,  my mortgage will literally be cut in half.

So there is light at the end of the tunnel,  I just hope is not a train. Lol


Not trying to be a downer, just needed to vent.


GT
Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: Bunger on December 09, 2015, 12:11:42 AM
Haha nothing ever goes as planned. Good for you doing it all yourself.


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Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: Bigblockchevy1691 on December 09, 2015, 12:26:03 AM
Once you finish one thing you find another.  Your not the only one going through this buddy.


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Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: BoatsNhoes on December 09, 2015, 02:01:23 AM
Yup !!! I remember those days " one project after another every weekend for months!!! But slamming that brand new beautiful front door in the face of a rude sister in law " Priceless !!!!!!🤘😎🍺


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Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: Handyman on December 09, 2015, 03:50:32 AM
I've been slowly installing tile in my house for the past 3 years. Many projects on the list


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Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: brian777 on December 09, 2015, 07:00:34 AM

Just thought I would start a post about what I've been up to lately.

So, I need to refinance my home. In order to do that, I needed a new roof.

Get some quotes,  even got one from a close friend who is a roofing contactor. Holy crap.

So, lowest bid, in excess of $9,500, without extras/hidden damage.

Decided to do it myself. Literally myself.  What a moron.

So after replacing about 30% of the sheeting,  ridge beams,  facia boards,  straightening out about 20 rafters, custom gutters, dry rot repairs, flashing bla bla bla.. $6k and about a month. Done deal.

Take a week to heal, sleeping on the couch,  hear water dripping in the kitchen, can't figure it out. Turns out, dishwasher has a leak under the pump, little cracked plastic piece.. Hmmm. Take dishwasher out,  remove floor, still hear water dripping WTF?

Found out the water line was leaking inside the door of the refrigerator. Damn.

Subfloor soaking wet,  enough to rust the nails.

Still hear water leaking.  Find out that the drain lines are all broken to hell. No winning here. Shit.

So the house is 40 years old, galvanized steel pipe. Find nearly thirty pinhole size leaks.

Repipe to copper, everything, repair all the drains,  new subfloor  in the kitchen, after squaring up the floor joists (high in the middle by 3/8"), had to tear out the oven, the cabinets (which were wet) drywall 12" up from the floor. .

Holy crap.

Now I'm installing the tile, have to build new cabinet boxes, can't afford new countertops, so those are blocked up.

I'm tired, out of money and have not had a weekend in three months.

Once I refinance,  my mortgage will literally be cut in half.

So there is light at the end of the tunnel,  I just hope is not a train. Lol


Not trying to be a downer, just needed to vent.


GT
your insurance should have paid for all the water damage dryout and repairs i.e. New cabinets countertops flooring yata yata


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Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: HaulsBalls on December 09, 2015, 07:11:05 AM
your insurance should have paid for all the water damage dryout and repairs i.e. New cabinets countertops flooring yata yata


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Sure, but what he would save on his mortgage would now be spent on insurance premiums and his house stuck with a water damage claim.

I feel your pain, I've been working on house projects for years now.  Just about done with a room addition that's been in the works for about 1.5 years and taking away from boat work! I now know why people don't pull permits, dealing with the city has been a PITA!
Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: brian777 on December 09, 2015, 07:24:32 AM
All u pay is your deductible 500-1000 wow that's not bad too me and stuck with a water damage claim? Everything gets repaired and your premiums don't go up I've been in the business for over 15 years don't see how spending all your hard earned cash is better then insurance going up a like 50 bucks too each their own !


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Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: GT Jets on December 09, 2015, 07:49:16 AM
your insurance should have paid for all the water damage dryout and repairs i.e. New cabinets countertops flooring yata yata


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One word,  prorated.

I've dealt with the insurance Co.

They choose the contractor,  they would not have repiped the entire house,  the roof was normal wear/tear,  they choose what goes back in and they nickel and dime you till you cry.

You're in good hands, I know because I can feel them in my ass.

GT

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Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: HaulsBalls on December 09, 2015, 08:21:37 AM

One word,  prorated.

I've dealt with the insurance Co.

They choose the contractor,  they would not have repiped the entire house,  the roof was normal wear/tear,  they choose what goes back in and they nickel and dime you till you cry.

You're in good hands, I know because I can feel them in my ass.

GT

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Depending on how bad the leak is you may also be required to have an abatement company come through and certify that there is no mold prior to anyone insurance group wanting to touch that policy.  I deal with this from a  commercial aspect and it's a battle for years after the work has been complete. Pick your battles I guess.


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Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: GT Jets on December 09, 2015, 08:34:47 AM
Depending on how bad the leak is you may also be required to have an abatement company come through and certify that there is no mold prior to anyone insurance group wanting to touch that policy.  I deal with this from a  commercial aspect and it's a battle for years after the work has been complete. Pick your battles I guess.


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Funny you say that.

I have already done the air sampling and came back negative.

I'm keeping the report for my files.

BTW, pulled permits for everything because I'm planning on selling the house in a couple years.

Don't want to have to deal with that bs.

I was already going to replace the floors (faux wood to tile) just not right now,  the plumbing, well,  I am a fitter by trade, so no harm no foul. I at least have circulating hot water now.

GT

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Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: Six-Oh-Nine on December 09, 2015, 09:11:29 AM
I learned my lesson when we began our latest remodel project from our last project... I'm gonna do valve jobs and bore blocks, because that is what I am good at... And PAY the drywall and floor guys to do what they are good at. The savings of doing it myself wasn't worth the time... Lots of time... And aggervation.


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Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: Undersoul02 on December 09, 2015, 09:44:26 AM
your insurance should have paid for all the water damage dryout and repairs i.e. New cabinets countertops flooring yata yata


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This isn't a for sure deal on coverage. Some/most insurance policies don't cover "long term" leaks. And trust me, your insurance agent can't tell you if your damage is going to be covered. 
Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: GT Jets on December 09, 2015, 10:00:03 AM
I learned my lesson when we began our latest remodel project from our last project... I'm gonna do valve jobs and bore blocks, because that is what I am good at... And PAY the drywall and floor guys to do what they are good at. The savings of doing it myself wasn't worth the time... Lots of time... And aggervation.


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I hear that.

The only problem I have is I know how to do it and can seldom find someone that cares as much as I do.

Add to that, everyone is so busy, they don't give you the attention you deserve. Not sure how things are in your area of course.

The roofers were not able to start work until February/March.

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Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: GlassCutter on December 09, 2015, 06:56:41 PM
We have had 5 floods caused by pinholes in the copper piping.  Most of the neighbors have had too.  The soil is terribly acidic.  Both my next door neighbor and I have Allstate and we have both (on or about the 3rd time) tried to get them to partially pay for a repipe, but they won't do it.  They are always great about paying for the damage even after all this and neither one of us has had a rate increase.  We do have plumbers on speed dial however.
Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: GT Jets on December 09, 2015, 10:32:58 PM
We have had 5 floods caused by pinholes in the copper piping.  Most of the neighbors have had too.  The soil is terribly acidic.  Both my next door neighbor and I have Allstate and we have both (on or about the 3rd time) tried to get them to partially pay for a repipe, but they won't do it.  They are always great about paying for the damage even after all this and neither one of us has had a rate increase.  We do have plumbers on speed dial however.

Just to comment.  Copper pipe should never be allowed to contact soil.

Had anyone checked for electrolysis? Maybe a powered supply line.

I would have the grounding rod inspected.

Do you have aluminum wiring in the house?
Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: GT Jets on December 09, 2015, 10:53:08 PM
Also, is the stripe on the pipe red or blue? It should be blue (L). It's probably red (M) ..

Copper pipe is normally under warranty for 50 years, so it is likely installation issues or choice of classification of tubing that causes this.

http://www.copper.org/applications/plumbing/restools/wrnty/cu_50yr_warnty_main.html

In acidic conditions like in Hawaii near volcanic soils, PEX is used. I personally don't trust the stuff but that's what's being done.

I have Allstate, I would have been able to get about $1,800 if I used their "preferred" contactor.
Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: brian777 on December 09, 2015, 11:55:30 PM

Also, is the stripe on the pipe red or blue? It should be blue (L). It's probably red (M) ..

Copper pipe is normally under warranty for 50 years, so it is likely installation issues or choice of classification of tubing that causes this.

http://www.copper.org/applications/plumbing/restools/wrnty/cu_50yr_warnty_main.html

In acidic conditions like in Hawaii near volcanic soils, PEX is used. I personally don't trust the stuff but that's what's being done.

I have Allstate, I would have been able to get about $1,800 if I used their "preferred" contactor.
blue is thicker and mostly used in commercial applications red is standard for residential use but I only use the blue when replacing in residential 


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Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: GT Jets on December 10, 2015, 06:47:12 AM
blue is thicker and mostly used in commercial applications red is standard for residential use but I only use the blue when replacing in residential 


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In this particular instance, with an acidic soil condition,  type L would be recomended. You can't use M here in residential. Against code.

GT
Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: SoCalPSD on December 11, 2015, 12:56:26 PM
Anything in ground should be L copper and it should be sleeved reguardless. If you say otherwise your squeezing those pennys to hard.

And as far as pex goes glenn i love the stuff. I made a test piece with a valve on either end and filled it with water and put it in the freezer for a week. Pulled it out and it didnt split. The valves did. I have repairs that are going on 3 years now and not a single issue.

Its a learning curve but its easier than pvc and last longer than copper or iron pipe.
Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: GT Jets on December 11, 2015, 01:07:24 PM
Anything in ground should be L copper and it should be sleeved reguardless. If you say otherwise your squeezing those pennys to hard.

And as far as pex goes glenn i love the stuff. I made a test piece with a valve on either end and filled it with water and put it in the freezer for a week. Pulled it out and it didnt split. The valves did. I have repairs that are going on 3 years now and not a single issue.

Its a learning curve but its easier than pvc and last longer than copper or iron pipe.

I don't trust it from a chemical standpoint. There is data that substantiate a high probability of health risks due to long term dietary exposure.

Our union will only allow us to install it for hydronic heating/cooling applications. Not for potable water.

That's what I meant when I said trust. For heating floors is the bomb.

GT

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Title: Re: The joys of home ownership.
Post by: GlassCutter on December 11, 2015, 01:58:14 PM
We're getting a new sewer line today.  Tore up 15 ft of perfectly godo patio and 30 feet run under the yard.  So naturally the snowball effect kicked in, and hell let's tear out all the old sad plants and go southwest xeroscape!  Oh brother :banghead:
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