Josh and I have mocked it up already, no rubby. the f/r cable clears perfectly, if i had a split bowl i could just put a droop on it and it would clear the up/down cable as well. but the hyd. piston would fit under so nicely. too many projects at once. not enough cash. haha. thats why im selling/trading stuff. Ray, are you gonna make it to the Temple Bar trip?