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Trukinbear

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Re: 455 falling on its face
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2013, 12:07:06 PM »
When I get home I'll take a photo and show you 2 Edelbrock 600 carbs, both the same age and both exposed to marine environments 1 is marine,the other isn't - I got 2 HEI's the same way. Plus the Marine Edelbrock has a "J" vent tube and is made to rock& roll (around), and the Marine HEI is sealed to prevent water entry. Run what you want but quality pays off in the end, it may be cheaper to buy an automotive part but you'll replace it sooner.
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Re: 455 falling on its face
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2013, 04:33:45 PM »
When I get home I'll take a photo and show you 2 Edelbrock 600 carbs, both the same age and both exposed to marine environments 1 is marine,the other isn't - I got 2 HEI's the same way. Plus the Marine Edelbrock has a "J" vent tube and is made to rock& roll (around), and the Marine HEI is sealed to prevent water entry. Run what you want but quality pays off in the end, it may be cheaper to buy an automotive part but you'll replace it sooner.

Agreed!  :thumbup:

I don't put anything non-Marine rated on any boat. Regardless if it has an enclosed engine or not. But that's me. All it takes is a small fuel leak and a spark, and VOILA! You got a weenie roast!

Mostly, the Marine Dizzy's are simply shielded from THROWING any sparks, not water proofing. Same with Alternators and Starters. Carbs and fuel pumps are another matter that deserve some more credit than just the "J" vent tubes.

But this isn't about safety. It's about getting this kids boat running right. 

Really, WHO HAS that Olds Mallory Dizzy and Coil for sale? Anybody know?  Help this kid out!  :sly:

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Re: 455 falling on its face
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2013, 04:53:03 PM »
I've questioned that once and the way I see it is many a 60s, 70s and 80s cars ran a carb without any marine equipment and never burnt down from fumes, and for a fact my engine on my floater is WAY more air'd out than any doorslammer. Not to mention my engine is n way better shape of a tune compared to a daily driver..ex no spark wires arcing across engine parts etc. So I'm not buying that idea, if you have a wide open engine on a boat it has plenty of air out room.
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« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2013, 06:56:50 PM »
It has a Mallory on it right now. Olds 417961. YL-501-AV.
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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2013, 07:02:10 PM »
And I have no idea what manufacture the fuel pump is. It says 5.5-9 psi is that good enough?
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« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2013, 07:14:31 PM »
Damn thing wont let me quote.

5.5-9 at what flow rate?

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
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Re: 455 falling on its face
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2013, 07:22:25 PM »
I've questioned that once and the way I see it is many a 60s, 70s and 80s cars ran a carb without any marine equipment and never burnt down from fumes, and for a fact my engine on my floater is WAY more air'd out than any doorslammer. Not to mention my engine is n way better shape of a tune compared to a daily driver..ex no spark wires arcing across engine parts etc. So I'm not buying that idea, if you have a wide open engine on a boat it has plenty of air out room.
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The bowl arrangement allows for rock and roll of the boat, a car carb quickly catches fire in rough seas. I don't remember carburated cars the way you do, I had a '56 Chevy, 69 Winnebago, and 72 WV bus that all caught fire - the VW twice. This time of year lots of tourist come through this area, many of which are in older motorhomes - several burn every year, actually I passed a burnt out hulk of one at the top of the mountain between here and Arcata today.
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Re: 455 falling on its face
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2013, 07:32:26 PM »
I've questioned that once and the way I see it is many a 60s, 70s and 80s cars ran a carb without any marine equipment and never burnt down from fumes, and for a fact my engine on my floater is WAY more air'd out than any doorslammer. Not to mention my engine is n way better shape of a tune compared to a daily driver..ex no spark wires arcing across engine parts etc. So I'm not buying that idea, if you have a wide open engine on a boat it has plenty of air out room.
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Re: 455 falling on its face
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2013, 07:50:06 PM »
Honestly have no idea of the rate flow.
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Re: 455 falling on its face
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2013, 08:05:18 PM »
Well, you can say "I've never died from unprotected sex, so why wear a condom when with random women?" .......Same thing!  :screwy:

Only takes ONCE! Trukinbear has the idea.........



Ray

Touche' Ray! Hope those people got out ok, amazing how long a boat burns isn't it?

65 gallons of high test gasoline under my ass with a sheet of plywood and a layer of carpet between the gas and my ass - fire is my worst fear in a boat, even if you get out of the boat there is always the chance that the gas will spread-out and still get you.

The distributor has to pretty much be airtight to keep it from igniting gas laden air that might have entered it - pretty much waterproof too even if that wasn't their primary objective. Car starters and alternators hate being in a very moist environment, much less being occasionally submerged.  Even if you don't have a fire, I can pretty well promise you that after a few years those parts will look like hell, if they still work.

Back on topic, I'd bet you don't have a BAD distributor but the art of setting up points ignition is a lost art, back in the day we even had to look at it's operation with an oscilloscope. Gap, dwell, resistance, follower wear, weak spring, pits, etc... A modern electronic system (I'm partial to GM style HEI) will be much easier to tune.
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Re: 455 falling on its face
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2013, 09:04:32 PM »
Touche' Ray! Hope those people got out ok, amazing how long a boat burns isn't it?

65 gallons of high test gasoline under my ass with a sheet of plywood and a layer of carpet between the gas and my ass - fire is my worst fear in a boat, even if you get out of the boat there is always the chance that the gas will spread-out and still get you.

The distributor has to pretty much be airtight to keep it from igniting gas laden air that might have entered it - pretty much waterproof too even if that wasn't their primary objective. Car starters and alternators hate being in a very moist environment, much less being occasionally submerged.  Even if you don't have a fire, I can pretty well promise you that after a few years those parts will look like hell, if they still work.

Back on topic, I'd bet you don't have a BAD distributor but the art of setting up points ignition is a lost art, back in the day we even had to look at it's operation with an oscilloscope. Gap, dwell, resistance, follower wear, weak spring, pits, etc... A modern electronic system (I'm partial to GM style HEI) will be much easier to tune.

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Re: 455 falling on its face
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2013, 06:07:17 AM »
Well put a new fuel pump in and gauge an it's reading 7 psi and put an new gm HEI everything seems to be a lot better. Ill find out for sure on Saturday when I take the boat out. Thanks for all the advice!
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Re: 455 falling on its face
« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2013, 02:14:47 PM »
Good luck! Sounds great have so much fun on the water that you forget you were worried about it in the first place.

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