ARE machine

« **on:** February 11, 2010, 12:28:58 PM »

So, the cruiser i bought had water sitting in the motor and I wasn't sure if the block would clean up. It was 4.280 and had alot of rust in the cylinders. So heath at ARE machine threw it in the Rottler and took the block to 4.310. After inspection we decided to take another .010 out of it. It finally cleaned up. Yeah.

honing the new slugs to size

« **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2010, 08:31:53 PM »

parts pile

checking endplay

bottom end is done

« **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2010, 10:44:02 PM »

that's a Rottler...

anyhay whats ur clearances throughout

« **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2010, 10:49:03 PM »

Quote from: enginedoctor on February 11, 2010, 10:44:02 PM

that's a Rottler... anyhay whats ur clearances throughout

The picture shows a Sunnen CK10....Rottlers are green and mean lookin....

GT

« **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2010, 10:50:38 PM »

ummm. yaa I know. Gotta say A+ for awesome effort.

« **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2010, 11:46:39 PM »

Quote from: enginedoctor on February 11, 2010, 10:50:38 PM

ummm. yaa I know. Gotta say A+ for awesome effort.

I know that you know...I just wanted you to know that I know too...

$:-\$

Sorry, I think I put too much Black Velvet in my Pepsi Throwback

GT

« **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2010, 05:09:13 AM »

whoooaaa...stop the show! theres a major fockin problem here rick!

theres only 1 beer in your parts pile

« **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2010, 08:36:30 AM »

Quote from: enginedoctor on February 11, 2010, 10:44:02 PM

that's a Rottler... anyhay whats ur clearances throughout

No, that's not the Rottler. THat's the Sunnen hone. I was talkin bout boring the block in the Rottler cuz I was happy the block survived . The hone is my celebration pic!!! Chevy blocks aint cheap!

« **Reply #8 on:** February 12, 2010, 09:19:50 AM »

Glad she cleaned up for ya

« **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2010, 09:49:56 PM »

pick up the heads tomorrow!!!!

« **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2010, 09:55:12 PM »

Just wondering...Did you guys remove the cam bearings/gallery plugs...PRIOR TO MACHINING

« **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2010, 07:40:50 AM »

Quote from: enginedoctor on February 12, 2010, 09:55:12 PM

Just wondering...Did you guys remove the cam bearings/gallery plugs...PRIOR TO MACHINING

No....AFTER. We were also drinking beer!!!!! After the machine work was done, the cam bearings and galley plugs were removed before it went into the parts washer (not sure what machine it is). I then ran the bottle brush down all of the oil galleys while the block was STEAMING HOT!!! I then hosed it off and blew the water off with compressed air. I let the block sit and dry over night. When I came back the next day, the cam bearings were installed along with all new oil galley plugs.

« **Reply #12 on:** February 13, 2010, 11:50:04 AM »

Quote from: lilrick on February 13, 2010, 07:40:50 AM

No....AFTER. We were also drinking beer!!!!! After the machine work was done, the cam bearings and galley plugs were removed before it went into the parts washer (not sure what machine it is). I then ran the bottle brush down all of the oil galleys while the block was STEAMING HOT!!! I then hosed it off and blew the water off with compressed air. I let the block sit and dry over night. When I came back the next day, the cam bearings were installed along with all new oil galley plugs.

Hot tank after the machining....HMmmm

I always had them spic and span clean then do all the machine work....I guess there is more than one way to catch a fish...

GT

« **Reply #13 on:** February 13, 2010, 02:14:05 PM »

I wouldn't make it spic and span until it is machined. You still have to get all of the metal chips and honing oil out of the block when it's done. It definitely did not go in the hot tank. This machine doesn't submerge the block in caustic cleaner .It is more like a turn table deal with hot cleaning solution showering over the top. This step gets all of the honing oil off the block. Then, when it comes out of the (jet washer?) it gets hosed off and then blown dry. Also, after the block was machined, the cam bearings and oil galley plugs were pulled out so the jet washer could penetrate these passages.

« **Reply #14 on:** February 13, 2010, 02:27:56 PM »

Quote from: lilrick on February 13, 2010, 02:14:05 PM

I wouldn't make it spic and span until it is machined. You still have to get all of the metal chips and honing oil out of the block when it's done. It's definitely did not go in the hot tank. This machine doesn't submerge the block in caustic cleaner .It is more like a turn table deal with hot cleaning solution showering over the top. This step gets all of the honing oil off the block. Then, when it comes out of the (jet washer?) it gets hosed off and then blown dry.

That is a hot tank per say...Most cleaners use caustic soda, but some of the newer ones use a citric base solvent...The reason I like to get them clean first and after is two fold...

One is for inspection, two is because everything will be exposed for cleaning without disruption of the plugs and bearings....

I am not saying your way wont work, I am just saying there are other ways..

On another note, what did you paint the valley and front of the engine with? you have to be very careful and use an etching paint so it won't come off and contaminate the oil pan pick up...Seen it a hundred times.

I will say it again, "I hate doing shit twice"

GT

« **Reply #15 on:** February 13, 2010, 02:46:19 PM »

got the heads today

« **Reply #16 on:** February 13, 2010, 02:53:05 PM »

Quote from: GT Jets on February 13, 2010, 02:27:56 PM

That is a hot tank per say...Most cleaners use caustic soda, but some of the newer ones use a citric base solvent...The reason I like to get them clean first and after is two fold...

One is for inspection, two is because everything will be exposed for cleaning without disruption of the plugs and bearings....

I am not saying your way wont work, I am just saying there are other ways..

On another note, what did you paint the valley and front of the engine with? you have to be very careful and use an etching paint so it won't come off and contaminate the oil pan pick up...Seen it a hundred times.

I will say it again, "I hate doing shit twice"

GT

but in your previous post u said. "Hot tank after the machining? Hmmm" But, then in this post u said you like to clean it before AND after. Which is it?

Oh, and walgreens was having a sale on finger nail polish, so I bought 1,000 little jars and used those cute little brushes they come with. It only took me three days!!!

« **Reply #17 on:** February 13, 2010, 03:55:25 PM »

Quote from: lilrick on February 13, 2010, 02:53:05 PM

but in your previous post u said. "Hot tank after the machining? Hmmm" But, then in this post u said you like to clean it before AND after. Which is it?

Oh, and walgreens was having a sale on finger nail polish, so I bought 1,000 little jars and used those cute little brushes they come with. It only took me three days!!!

Not trying to start a debate, we always did it twice, once in the beginning in the hot tank to get the 30n plus years of goo off, then in the Citrix tank to clean the machining debris, not everybody has the Citrix deal (we had it for doing aluminum stuff...

My bud used some Engine Kote paint on his blown 377 several years ago to paint the valley, after about three months of light use lost oil pressure, we pulled the pan and there were dime sized paint chips in the pick up and the oil filter was blue with debris.
Caught it in time and no damage was done (other than ego) but could have been bad....We redid it with Gliptal and never looked back..

Just trying to help brotha...

Unfortunately, I have built a bunch of engines that were "rebuilt" only weeks before I got them as a job....Seen a lot, but not all....

« **Reply #18 on:** February 13, 2010, 04:48:26 PM »

every builder/machinest/enthusiest has there own way of doing it

and the end result is all that matters

you guys are giving it hell and i for one can appreciate your effort (been there and done that)

keep the pics coming Rick
ralph

« **Reply #19 on:** February 13, 2010, 04:51:10 PM »

Quote from: Ralph Brunt on February 13, 2010, 04:48:26 PM

every builder/machinest/enthusiest has there own way of doing it and the end result is all that matters you guys are giving it hell and i for one can appreciate your effort (been there and done that)

keep the pics coming Rick
ralph

X2 well said.

« **Reply #20 on:** February 13, 2010, 05:53:18 PM »

1. I like cleaning first....for inspection/integrity of cores. (Iprefer to remove all bearings/plugs before first cleanse)
2. Then after machining.....as much cleaning as it takes....over and over again.
3. it doesnt matter what machines you use...just CLEAN!

just MHO.

« **Reply #21 on:** February 13, 2010, 11:01:51 PM »

Quote from: enginedoctor on February 13, 2010, 05:53:18 PM

1. I like cleaning first....for inspection/integrity of cores. (Iprefer to remove all bearings/plugs before first cleanse)
2. Then after machining.....as much cleaning as it takes....over and over again.
3. it doesnt matter what machines you use...just CLEAN!

just MHO.

enginedoctor, this is the way I roll also...I do not have the luck of the Irish and have disassembled engines with spun cam bearing damage, stripped galley plug holes, cracks in some of the weirdest places, heavy rust issues and more, having a dad that owned and operated an auto supply house and machine shop with his brother (my uncle) as the machinist, I have had a rare opportunity to see more than my fair share of carnage....

I want to know every little thing about an engine before a single piece is cut.

One little situation that sticks in my mind was a small block Chevy with a seized galley plug, the plug came out, but the force cracked the block across the two galley holes, from treasure to junk in under an hour....

I am definitely not trying to come off as a know it all jerk, I am just trying to share some of my misfortune and the misfortunes of others I have witnessed...Please forgive if I came off that way.

GT

« **Reply #22 on:** February 14, 2010, 01:04:40 PM »

GT....The way I remove stubborn plugs is by simply drilling them out...Fast and easy.
Ummmm. dont feel bad I dont know it all either....My school was "The school of hard Knocks".

Let me know when some genious invents a freeze plug remover

« **Reply #23 on:** February 14, 2010, 01:12:05 PM »

Quote from: enginedoctor on February 14, 2010, 01:04:40 PM

GT....The way I remove stubborn plugs is by simply drilling them out...Fast and easy.
Ummmm. dont feel bad I dont know it all either....My school was "The school of hard Knocks".

Let me know when some genious invents a freeze plug remover

Freeze plugs are child's play, how are you removing them now?

All I have to say is.....Morgan knocker with a dent pulling attachment and a 3/16" drill bit, takes 30 seconds each plug.

http://www.morganmfg.com/ab_cat03.htm

GT

« **Reply #24 on:** February 14, 2010, 01:15:40 PM »

Quote from: GT Jets on February 14, 2010, 01:12:05 PM

Freeze plugs are child's play, how are you removing them now?

All I have to say is.....Morgan knocker with a dent pulling attachment and a 3/16" drill bit, takes 30 seconds each plug.

http://www.morganmfg.com/ab_cat03.htm

GT

Currently I remove them with a Shot Gun

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