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Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« on: July 13, 2016, 12:02:46 PM »
OK guys and gals.

Show of hands, who would have an interest in a valve to be used in place of the famous gate valve that will not only limit incoming water pressure,  but also preheat the cooing water and control the flow at different speeds? I think I'm nearly ready to reveal what I've been playing around with for the last couple years.

This is going to be the next big thing.  Seriously.

How much would one pay for a kit that would end the milky oil,  the high oil usage,  valve cover snot, and sketchy systems? .

GT
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2016, 12:24:50 PM »
Depends on how it works
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2016, 12:33:14 PM »
Depends on how it works

Let's just say it is a pressure and temperature controlled heat exchanger,  expandable to also control oil temp.

It will have control of the incoming and out going water.

Fully adjustable and automatic.

I think it will be pretty slick.

GT
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2016, 12:42:52 PM »
Let's see it👍👍


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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2016, 12:56:37 PM »
Let's just say it is a pressure and temperature controlled heat exchanger,  expandable to also control oil temp.

It will have control of the incoming and out going water.

Fully adjustable and automatic.

I think it will be pretty slick.

GT

Can never ending love and friendship instead of cash pay for such an awesome valve?
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2016, 01:09:59 PM »

OK guys and gals.

Show of hands, who would have an interest in a valve to be used in place of the famous gate valve that will not only limit incoming water pressure,  but also preheat the cooing water and control the flow at different speeds? I think I'm nearly ready to reveal what I've been playing around with for the last couple years.

This is going to be the next big thing.  Seriously.

How much would one pay for a kit that would end the milky oil,  the high oil usage,  valve cover snot, and sketchy systems? .

GT

I want to see how one of these works!


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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2016, 01:25:55 PM »
I have built a small working prototype.

When I get an engine in White Trash I'm going to build a full size one.

The reason I asked about price is because there will be roughly $120 cost in materials and I'm trying to figure out how to make it more affordable.
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2016, 01:33:03 PM »
I have built a small working prototype.

When I get an engine in White Trash I'm going to build a full size one.

The reason I asked about price is because there will be roughly $120 cost in materials and I'm trying to figure out how to make it more affordable.

Dang! Now I am curious what this thing is all about with that cost to make it.
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2016, 01:59:43 PM »
Sounds like a great idea Glenn.
The water control valves, gate or ball, that pretty much everyone uses, are over the counter units, that are not target designed for marine use.  Hence the limitations of both. It would be great to have a unit that is designed & built specifically for performance boat applications :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2016, 02:09:52 PM »
I have built a small working prototype.

When I get an engine in White Trash I'm going to build a full size one.

The reason I asked about price is because there will be roughly $120 cost in materials and I'm trying to figure out how to make it more affordable.

Is the standard SoCalJetBoat offer of fifty bux and some skittles off the table?  :sly:

Is it truly needed for a gate-valved, logs-n-snails, worried if it didn't use a quart, big cammed, Mk IV, Gen V, or Gen VI BBC?

Dan'l
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2016, 02:34:09 PM »
I'll give u the 120 to build me the full size one ...:


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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2016, 02:37:24 PM »
Not a bad idea ....


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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2016, 02:41:07 PM »
Is the standard SoCalJetBoat offer of fifty bux and some skittles off the table?  :sly:

Is it truly needed for a gate-valved, logs-n-snails, worried if it didn't use a quart, big cammed, Mk IV, Gen V, or Gen VI BBC?

Dan'l

I look at it this way, what if you could run the engine 150°F to 160°F at 20 psi at all times,  and run the oil at 220°F, heating it when it's cold, cooling it when it's hot?

I would think that would be as close as you could ever get to bulletproof. Really no matter what the system.

Might be overstating it a little,  but it would sure make building an engine less complicated.

GT
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2016, 02:44:26 PM »
I'll give u the 120 to build me the full size one ...:


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I was thinking about a pilot program to get a couple of these things out there and testing.

I obviously can't do it for cost,  why would anybody?

Not trying to get rich off it either.

Be sweet if it could fund a Comp Jet boat though.

GT
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2016, 03:01:57 PM »
Sounds like it'll be in the $600.00 range?
Would be nice to regulate both oil and water temp.

Seems that everybody makes a big deal about the water pressure.
Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've always run my gate valve wide open and have never had a problem.
Every ski motor for the last 40 years and even our Comp Jet running 6800 rpm's.
Now that I've said that, I'm sure to milkshake my next motor.
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2016, 03:10:01 PM »

I was thinking about a pilot program to get a couple of these things out there and testing.

I obviously can't do it for cost,  why would anybody?

Not trying to get rich off it either.

Be sweet if it could fund a Comp Jet boat though.

GT
Let me know cost and I'll run your prototype 👍👍👍


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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2016, 06:27:04 PM »
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2016, 06:54:06 PM »
I would try it out!


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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2016, 07:33:19 PM »
Let's see this unicorn.

Even if it was $200-$300 and kept me on the water for a weekend rather than on the trailer, I'd say that's money well spent lol

I've had good luck with each of my boats but if you can improve upon the mouse wheel I'm all ears
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2016, 09:27:24 PM »
Is this more an issue for guys with headers? Why do some guys get away with full open yet others are constantly blowing gaskets. Both my boats had a ball valve wide open and never had issues. One had logs, the other (current) has Mercruiser center rise manifolds.
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2016, 10:13:53 PM »
Eagerly anticipating👏


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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2016, 10:46:10 PM »
Is this more an issue for guys with headers? Why do some guys get away with full open yet others are constantly blowing gaskets. Both my boats had a ball valve wide open and never had issues. One had logs, the other (current) has Mercruiser center rise manifolds.


The reason the valve "can be" wide open on logs and risers is  because the risers each have numerous ports for water to cool the exhaust. There is a lot of volume.  That does not mean they can't work "better".

Also,  logs are the only system I can say it's acceptable to run a thermostat kit.  Basically because the water is preheated with the exhaust.

The idea I have been basing this on is to get the water warm before it goes into the block,  headers or logs. This will allow moving more water in the system and making the temperature within the engine more consistent, you should be able to realize less than a 15°F differential between the entering and leaving water.

This is huge compared to the more than 60°F we normally see.

The pressure being more consistent will keep steam pockets and flash steam at a minimum.

By controlling the pressure before and after the engine,  there is really no way you could over pressurize the system, this will also really stabilize water temperatures.

This will be a one time set up and should be set it and forget it.

Big horsepower will be able to be controlled add well because the valve is the same to what I can tell,  is about 1,500 hp. After that,  there are too many variables and the math gets funny.

Keep in mind  the system is so adjustable that virtually any fuel can be used,  although I used gasoline for the math.

Another thing to think about,  the better the system is set up,  the quicker the system warms up and the engine will be much happier.
This allows you to get a little crazier on the tune (read more hp).

I have been stupid busy at work lately,  but wanted to let the cat escape to keep me motivated.

There are literally three moving parts. Should be very robust.

Thanks guys.

GT
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2016, 10:50:11 PM »
I'm in the market for a new valve and I'm not scared....Count me in!


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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2016, 10:59:57 PM »
I have built a small working prototype.

When I get an engine in White Trash I'm going to build a full size one.

The reason I asked about price is because there will be roughly $120 cost in materials and I'm trying to figure out how to make it more affordable.

 You could have it made in China.  :sly:

 



 
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Re: Developing new engine cooling control valve.
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2016, 11:13:08 PM »
You could have it made in China.  :sly:


I can personally guarantee that will never happen. Looking into carbon fiber. Metal is stupid expensive.

It will also technically be union made lol. .


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