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Beaveretriever

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Don zig mag
« on: April 19, 2012, 08:32:55 PM »
I have a couple set up questions if anyone has ever messed with these. I just bought one that im going to use in my flat bottom. I know that there needs to be a ground switch to turn the motor off and on again. My question is, is there anything to do so that I won't get juiced when the boat is running? My brothers old boat had a shocking problem with an HEI. Also it's a points style, is there a good place to get parts?
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Re: Don zig mag
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2012, 11:41:41 PM »
http://www.donzig.com/

I was there about 15 years ago and he serviced my mag. They charged the magnets and checked it out.
His shop (a detached garage behind his house) is down in L.A. They can check it out for you.

As far as getting juiced, I don't really know. I usually don't touch it. i was at a boat shop when I first got my boat and the guy was telling
me a story of how he spun the shaft of a mag. Then he asked his friend to hand it to him. He said that guy threw it across the shop and thought it was the funniest thing.

Sorry I don't have any more info for you.
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Re: Don zig mag
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2012, 09:03:16 AM »
I dont know about getting shocked unless you were back there licking it or something, but I will tell you this: NO resistor plugs or wires. Run GOOD wires, ground switch and wire. Close your plug gap up to .018-.020. My mag, MSD Pro-Mag, wants 250 RPMs to start. Mags now days use rare earth magnets so they dont need recharging. Use dielectric grease on all your boots. Ask Don about a buzz box to set timing, mags can fuc with timing lights. I've heard of using a timing light with a separate power supply (battery). I know its a boat but try to keep it out of moisture, like sitting all winter under a tarp. And of course you know get it spinnin before you hit the mag. Thats about all I can add. You going to Avi next month?
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Re: Don zig mag
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2012, 10:17:38 AM »
No matter how safe I was I always get shocked by the damn things. I even wear thick leather (PG&E) gloves and I get a little zap. Thats only when Im setting the mag into the cam gear and it spins itself to set in. Its nothing to worry about, even though youre waiting for it to happen it scares you. As far as when the boats running? Iv adjusted mine 100 times and never even been shocked. Like HD said.. Run good wires and a good grounding wire. Im running a Hunt with internal coil though, maybe yours will be a little different. I was told sometimes the cheap timing lights work better than the nice ones on a mag too. Buzz box is the way to go, but in a pinch I got by with a cheapy timing light and it seemed to work ok.
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Don zig mag
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2012, 10:46:30 AM »
I dont know about getting shocked unless you were back there licking it or something, but I will tell you this: NO resistor plugs or wires. Run GOOD wires, ground switch and wire. Close your plug gap up to .018-.020. My mag, MSD Pro-Mag, wants 250 RPMs to start. Mags now days use rare earth magnets so they dont need recharging. Use dielectric grease on all your boots. Ask Don about a buzz box to set timing, mags can fuc with timing lights. I've heard of using a timing light with a separate power supply (battery). I know its a boat but try to keep it out of moisture, like sitting all winter under a tarp. And of course you know get it spinnin before you hit the mag. Thats about all I can add. You going to Avi next month?

I am going to Avi next month yes. I have never messed with a mag, I have heard a lot about them through my Volkswagen years but have never owned one. I understand the basics but when you said spin it first before you hit the mag? What is that for? To get the charge first? 
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Don zig mag
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2012, 10:53:00 AM »
Another question. Can you run a normal tach or do you have to run a special tach? I have some bitchen moon gauges that I have been dying to install, but I'm pretty sure that they will not work due to the mag. Is this correct?
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Re: Don zig mag
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2012, 12:05:51 PM »
I have a couple set up questions if anyone has ever messed with these. I just bought one that im going to use in my flat bottom. I know that there needs to be a ground switch to turn the motor off and on again. My question is, is there anything to do so that I won't get juiced when the boat is running? My brothers old boat had a shocking problem with an HEI. Also it's a points style, is there a good place to get parts?

If you just bought a used one,, spend the time and money to have it checked out so you don't fight the thing from the  beginning.  Zig is maybe 4 weeks out or so, we are waiting on one that is at his shop for an injected engine that is supposed to dyno next week.

I ran a mag on my turbo ski race engine years ago with no issues, and it always started easily with no switch off/switch on games, but it was a low compression engine (for the turbos).  On a higher compression engine, if the starter does not spin the engine quick enough, it will be hard to start with a mag, thus the concept of spin it and flip the switch.  The .018"-.020" plug gap is also correct and critical if you want it to run.

Some timing lights work with a mag, no problem, can't recall what brand I was using when I ran mine, but my engine always ran well, never burned pistons.  Tachometer is another story, you will need to do some research on that, may be an adapter that lets you run your Moon tach if it's not compatible,, should be able to call them and ask?
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Re: Don zig mag
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2012, 03:52:48 PM »
Look into these if you have some free time. I know in the description it says external coil but look at the "intructions" tab and it shows you can wire it to your kill wire. I just ordered one so Im not sure if it will work yet or not. Seems like its what I needed though. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ATM-9118/
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Don zig mag
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2012, 04:07:40 PM »
Look into these if you have some free time. I know in the description it says external coil but look at the "intructions" tab and it shows you can wire it to your kill wire. I just ordered one so Im not sure if it will work yet or not. Seems like its what I needed though. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ATM-9118/

That looks easy enough. Nice find thank you.
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Don zig mag
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2012, 04:09:30 PM »
If you just bought a used one,, spend the time and money to have it checked out so you don't fight the thing from the  beginning.  Zig is maybe 4 weeks out or so, we are waiting on one that is at his shop for an injected engine that is supposed to dyno next week.

I ran a mag on my turbo ski race engine years ago with no issues, and it always started easily with no switch off/switch on games, but it was a low compression engine (for the turbos).  On a higher compression engine, if the starter does not spin the engine quick enough, it will be hard to start with a mag, thus the concept of spin it and flip the switch.  The .018"-.020" plug gap is also correct and critical if you want it to run.

Some timing lights work with a mag, no problem, can't recall what brand I was using when I ran mine, but my engine always ran well, never burned pistons.  Tachometer is another story, you will need to do some research on that, may be an adapter that lets you run your Moon tach if it's not compatible,, should be able to call them and ask?

My motor is relatively low compression and the starter will turn it fast enough I'm sure. You mentioned you didn't play the switch on switch off game with your motor. Are you only talking about the start up? Because you need a switch to kill the ground to the mag right? Otherwise it just keeps running, or am I confused?
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Re: Don zig mag
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2012, 06:48:00 PM »
You ARE correct sir. Ground=OFF. I was told by the guy I got the boat from He spun the motor till he got oil presure then hit the mag. I just installed a Crane ignition on one of the Harleys and in electric start mode it kills the fire for the first couple revs. Hey how's yer impeller doin? Better order one.   ;)
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Re: Don zig mag
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2012, 07:45:14 PM »
My motor is relatively low compression and the starter will turn it fast enough I'm sure. You mentioned you didn't play the switch on switch off game with your motor. Are you only talking about the start up? Because you need a switch to kill the ground to the mag right? Otherwise it just keeps running, or am I confused?

Right,, you do need to ground it to kill the engine.  I was talking about for start up,, was not at all necessary for mine.
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Don zig mag
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2012, 07:50:07 PM »
You ARE correct sir. Ground=OFF. I was told by the guy I got the boat from He spun the motor till he got oil presure then hit the mag. I just installed a Crane ignition on one of the Harleys and in electric start mode it kills the fire for the first couple revs. Hey how's yer impeller doin? Better order one.   ;)

The impeller still sucks, water that is.
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Re: Don zig mag
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2012, 08:22:55 PM »
Shit, you have a Neovane pump I believe. If you make it thru the season, I'm switchin over! I have a Mike Kuhl "River Rat" pump and I gotta change impellers every year, year and a half or so. No reason to cahnge but I tried a Magnaflow with a massive impeller but it wouldnt clear the blower pulley. I have to keep the pump in tip top shape cuz it runs a Bassett "T"
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Don zig mag
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2012, 08:27:47 PM »
Knock on wood but I haven't had a lock of problems with mine. I could trade you straight across for motors so you can use the magnaflow pump :-)
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Re: Don zig mag
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2012, 10:07:25 PM »
The impeller still sucks, water that is.

For what an impeller costs, you probably should install a new one each season,, maybe keep the old one for a spare if it's still ok.  No sense ruining a trip with a broken impeller, or having to get broken vanes out of water hoses.
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Re: Don zig mag
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2012, 08:55:38 AM »
Exactly what I'm sugggesting the the young fella, If you didnt just put one in, order one. When it DOES go out, ya got one in yer hip pocket. I was surprised to find mine'll runa Bassett t.....perfectly. Water comes on about 1500 RPMs
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Don zig mag
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2012, 09:07:18 AM »
I have a spare one :-).
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