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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2016, 08:11:29 AM »
I see it looks good. This my setup as of yesterday


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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2016, 09:00:19 AM »
I see it looks good. This my setup as of yesterday


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Looks good.  :thumbup:

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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2016, 09:14:18 AM »

Looks good.  :thumbup:

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Thank you. That carb and filter are both not staying on the engine. They are just on it to keep stuff from falling down the intake!


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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2016, 10:28:39 PM »
Nice!
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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2016, 08:16:02 AM »
There's a great video that shows a demonstration of the importance of proper driveline phasing.  www.macsmotorcitygarage/driveline phasing.  Spicer (cardan joint mfg. co.)  recommends up to 2 degrees of joint angle. There's also a very good discussion on the perf. boats site of this topic in the dyno section. It rather important to get it right. I hope this helps.
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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2016, 03:12:09 PM »
How do I check the angle on the drive shaft?


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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2016, 06:32:06 PM »
How do I check the angle on the drive shaft?


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Do you mean as it sits,  or before you install it?

I am a big cheater. I made a rigid driveshsaft and basically have a pipe set up to go through a mock block. The rigid driveline is set up dead straight.

Once every thing is measured and marked,  I raise the engine 1/4" front and back.

If you lay the driveline flat on a table,  you can scribe a line across the joint caps. You can then use an angle finder to figure the offset using the center of the center yoke to figure each side. They MUST equal each other.

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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2016, 08:30:14 AM »
How do I check the angle on the drive shaft?


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depending on the style of assembly you are working with a digital level by crafstman, stanley, home depot etc. works quick and easily with reliable repeatability. I use a short piece of clean 2" steel tubing to raise the height of the level off the u-joint to provide clearance for the levels length if necessary. 
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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2016, 10:25:48 AM »
Ok thank you guys. It's already in the boat I will have to go buy the angle tool and check it. I had scribe marks on the shaft and we lined it up.  Hopefully I got it right or the engine will be coming back out.


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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2016, 10:11:54 PM »
Hey guys I need to make a new front engine mount to be able to get the angle right. I can't lower the front anymore was the problem. Does this sound right?


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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2016, 11:51:23 AM »

Do you mean as it sits,  or before you install it?

I am a big cheater. I made a rigid driveshsaft and basically have a pipe set up to go through a mock block. The rigid driveline is set up dead straight.

Once every thing is measured and marked,  I raise the engine 1/4" front and back.

If you lay the driveline flat on a table,  you can scribe a line across the joint caps. You can then use an angle finder to figure the offset using the center of the center yoke to figure each side. They MUST equal each other.

GT

I have it installed already. I can't lower the front of the engine anymore. There isn't any where to drill through. My friend can make me a new mount so I can lower the front of the engine more.


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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2016, 04:00:21 PM »
I think I need to fix this


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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2016, 05:38:48 PM »
I have it installed already. I can't lower the front of the engine anymore. There isn't any where to drill through. My friend can make me a new mount so I can lower the front of the engine more.

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Looks like you need to lower the entire engine evenly
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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2016, 09:28:11 PM »

Looks like you need to lower the entire engine evenly

Unfortunately I can't lower the front anymore until I make a new front engine mount. I will make one this week. I had a friend help me install it. This time I'm going to do the work myself. I have a old school angle finder I used at the machine shop I used to work for. I will be using that when I redo it next week.


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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2016, 10:40:59 PM »
Unfortunately I can't lower the front anymore until I make a new front engine mount. I will make one this week. I had a friend help me install it. This time I'm going to do the work myself. I have a old school angle finder I used at the machine shop I used to work for. I will be using that when I redo it next week.


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I'm seeing the front needing to go up,  not down.

Where are you located?

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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2016, 10:46:58 PM »
I have it installed already. I can't lower the front of the engine anymore. There isn't any where to drill through. My friend can make me a new mount so I can lower the front of the engine more.


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So looking at this picture,  you need to lower the rear and raise the front. The angle on the joint caps should be identical measured on the top, there should be a slight elevation change (up or down) but the angles identical. Right now it looks "nose down".

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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2016, 02:41:13 AM »

So looking at this picture,  you need to lower the rear and raise the front. The angle on the joint caps should be identical measured on the top, there should be a slight elevation change (up or down) but the angles identical. Right now it looks "nose down".

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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2016, 09:20:27 AM »

I'm seeing the front needing to go up,  not down.

Where are you located?

GT

I'm in Ontario ca


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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2016, 09:39:32 AM »

So looking at this picture,  you need to lower the rear and raise the front. The angle on the joint caps should be identical measured on the top, there should be a slight elevation change (up or down) but the angles identical. Right now it looks "nose down".

GT

Ok damn I'm happy you said that before I went and made a new front mount.


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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2016, 10:40:24 AM »
Ok damn I'm happy you said that before I went and made a new front mount.


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Ok. So now,  rotate the crank so the yokes on the crank and pump are flat to the top (about 90 degrees from the way they are in the picture).

Use the angle gauge to determine the differential of the two,  it should be zero.

You may need to stack washers on the joint cap to get a good read.

GT

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Re: Drive shaft
« Reply #45 on: August 21, 2016, 02:21:29 PM »
So we got the degrees down to a 4 degree angle. Shaft looks a lot better.


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« Reply #46 on: August 21, 2016, 04:34:13 PM »
So we got the degrees down to a 4 degree angle. Shaft looks a lot better.


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Dammit.

No.
All stop.......

Rotate the crank 90 degrees.  Check the angle on the cups at the pump and the engine.

If the degree reading is 3°, they should both read 3°. Differential is zero.
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Drive shaft
« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2016, 04:45:26 PM »
Ok sorry it's 3 degrees


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« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2016, 04:51:18 PM »
Sorry forgot to put the picture


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« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2016, 07:00:54 PM »
Sorry forgot to put the picture


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Still looks nose heavy....  :-\

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