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FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« on: January 22, 2008, 12:57:52 PM »
I HAVE A 460 IT HAS AIR, FUEL, AND SPARK AND IT WONT FIRE UP.  WHAT COULD BE WRONG?
PLEASE HELP.
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SLCKREG

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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2008, 01:36:32 PM »
When If ever is the last time it ran? Or is it a new build? If you leave your caps on your going to hear about it.(I guess some people are cap sensitive)
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2008, 01:42:28 PM »
When If ever is the last time it ran? Or is it a new build? If you leave your caps on your going to hear about it.(I guess some people are cap sensitive)

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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2008, 01:44:08 PM »
needs three things fuel, spark, compression
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2008, 01:50:14 PM »
Timing!
I 2nd that; surely the next thing to check.
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2008, 01:53:40 PM »
I may be asking the same thing in a few days.  New build and new Dizzy.  Found TDC now do I point the rotor at #1 on the cap or the motor?
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2008, 02:00:56 PM »
I just took off my tr last night and I started thinking , if I knew I was on the compression stroke why couldn't a person keep the plug wires off the plugs and use a timing light to set initial timing?  Or does the motor have to be running?
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2008, 02:21:40 PM »
How strong is the spark?
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2008, 03:57:10 PM »
I may be asking the same thing in a few days.  New build and new Dizzy.  Found TDC now do I point the rotor at #1 on the cap or the motor?
The way I understand it, the rotor will be at #1 on the cap - point that to #1 on the motor; be sure your on compression stroke or you'll be 180degrees off.
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2008, 04:18:20 PM »
You are surprised? ::)  Sorry had to do it!
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2008, 04:42:36 PM »
you can put #1 anywhere you want as long as you are at tdc then put the dizzy in and make whatever the rotor is pointing at #1. and if that didnt work your 180 out because you werent on the compression stroke. hope this makes sense to you ???
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2008, 05:56:41 PM »
You are surprised? ::)  Sorry had to do it!

 ;D  Thanks OC2.



Follow what these guys have already told you and you will find the problem.
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2008, 06:13:30 PM »
On a lot of disti's there is an arrow and an alignment mark. This marks when the ignition will actualy be triggered.

Turn the engine over until the intake on #1 is closing. Keep going until the engine where #1 is at 15 deg (or where ever you like your initial timing to be) before TDC. Then turn the disti where the arrows line up. Wire #1 to

No timing light needed, and it will be perfect whne you fire it.


 You need a spark to trigger the timing light, plus there is no real oil pressure during cranking.
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2008, 06:20:23 PM »
... there is no real oil pressure during cranking.

Hey Speedy, is that true still if all the spark plugs have been removed?
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2008, 06:29:15 PM »
What type of ignition? Do you run a box If so is it the same brand as the dist. I tryed a mallory dist with a msd box dosn't work. Dose it crank real fast that wold be a sign of low compression maby tight valves. Do you run a ballast resistor on the hot wire to the dist. It's not needed if your running a box. My mallory required it when I was running it with no box. once I added the box I added msd dist. If it is popping then probly a timming issue.
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2008, 09:22:03 PM »
nope!!!!    im not gonna do it, gonna keep my mouth shut , nope im not gonna talk shit on fords, nope im not gonna do it!
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2008, 09:25:11 PM »
;D  Thanks OC2.



Follow what these guys have already told you and you will find the problem.

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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2008, 06:50:46 AM »
I TRIED THE TIMING AGAIN BUT IT WONT GO.  THE LAST TIME I TOOK IT OUT IT RAN PERFECT ALL DAY THEN WHEN I GOT BACK TO THE DOCK IT DIED AND THAT WAS THE LAST TIME I TOOK IT OUT AND THE CARB WAS GIVING ME TROUBLE SO I REBUILT IT AND NOW I AM HERE TRYING TO GET IT GOING.  SO THE TIMING IS GOOD I HAVE COMPRESSION SPARK AND FUEL.  AND IT IS ALL MSD.  NOW WHAT?
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2008, 06:52:24 AM »
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2008, 06:55:48 AM »
Timing chain might have slipped.....
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2008, 06:58:09 AM »
Timing chain might have slipped.....

Yes that has happened to me before with my CHEBBY"S ;)

I got spark but wont start.

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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2008, 07:58:33 AM »
...  SO THE TIMING IS GOOD I HAVE COMPRESSION SPARK AND FUEL...

That's not possible, otherwise your engine would be running.

... THE LAST TIME I TOOK IT OUT IT RAN PERFECT ALL DAY THEN WHEN I GOT BACK TO THE DOCK IT DIED AND THAT WAS THE LAST TIME I TOOK IT OUT AND THE CARB WAS GIVING ME TROUBLE SO I REBUILT IT...

It must have died for a reason, it either lost compression, spark, fuel, or the timing changed.
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2008, 08:19:45 AM »
Check you'r chain. I bet you got ALOT of play in it and that will make it slip one way or another.  Retard/advanced soooo.... get out the tools and fix it. Summer coming to dam quick.
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2008, 09:22:51 AM »
ONE of the most common things to happen in this scenario (and over looked) is does it have a top mount starter and has it just been replaced? Often times on Fords we've found that someone has installed a standard rotating starter on a reverse rotating application (parts stores don't know the difference ,its easy to do)  ,so there wil be spark ,fuel and compression but no start if this is not the case :Pull the spark plugs (set aside to clean and dry) spin the motor a while to clear fuel (coil disabled) ,articulate TDC @ the dampner and check the rotor position, recheck your firing order and firing order rotation, Drain some fuel from you carb ,put it in a clear dish and see if its h20 contaminated ? IF everything check out put the plugs back in advance the timing a few (clicks)degrees past (before TDC) and whack it with a shot of ether If it doesn't try to light  STOP and call me I'm happy to help Tom
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Re: FORD 460 WONT START!! HELP
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2008, 11:21:01 AM »
How strong is the spark?
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