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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #75 on: June 21, 2011, 03:39:13 PM »
Why don't you get a mech. gauge on the block and run a drill to the pump, then you will be certain you have an oil pressure issue or not.  Brad sounds serious!
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #76 on: June 21, 2011, 03:47:35 PM »
Why don't you get a mech. gauge on the block and run a drill to the pump, then you will be certain you have an oil pressure issue or not.

I couldn't agree more. If you had no oil pressure, your little jaunt in the cove would have let you know in a loud way.
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #77 on: June 21, 2011, 04:12:08 PM »
I have the primer and a gauge
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« Reply #78 on: June 21, 2011, 05:02:25 PM »
If I hear you say you lost oil pressure one more time, I'm gunna bitch slap you into next week.

You KNOW you had oil pressure gauge wiring issues since this motor went in.

if you would have taken a look at the missing gauge out of my boat in the cove i stole a nut off of another gauge that was stopping ym gauge from working....before the last whole speal when the gauge quit working well in the cove i figured out why it wasnt working, and decided to make it work to confirm what exactly i was thinking...just to elaborate for everyone else somewhat scratching their heads...see one trip out my guage just quit working, and i couldnt figure out why...so i was like screw it no biggie! anyway back to big river, when i was heading up river with nate to the cove i told him something doesnt sound right...at a certain rpm i could hear rattles "like lifters" and i started looking back and wondering and figured it was my scoop...well it wasnt...so i started kind of checking stuff even pulling a valve cover to find some water up top ok no big deal...turn the heat up because i wasnt getting much heat in the motor on the river anyway...so i make a pass and she is running pretty good, and then something happens the boat doesnt turn the normal rpms anymore, not she only wants to turn 5000 instead of the the normal 5800...ok now something really isnt right...so back to the gauge issue...when i would turn on the key "and this is only as of recent this isnt something has been haywire since the motor just went in brad"...so i crawl under the dash, and i find one of the allthreads that comes out of the back of the gauge that is supposed to have a nut on it that secures the plate the a prong goes on for the wire is missing, so i take one off of another gauge and tighten it up, and walla when i turn the key the gauge moves to zero! something it hasnt done the last two trips...so i fire the motor, and the gauge goes maybe to 3-5 psi just past zero...guess what this tells me this is something not right...followed by the sounds of clunks when i shut the motor off...the clunks are 3 loud clunks! im guessing a rod bearing went out, but i am also optimistic that maybe i somehow screwed up the oil pump shaft rod! but why in the heck am i going to keep starting up a motor to find out with different oil psi guages when i can simply pull it down and find out what it is a miss, and a gauruntee that the gauge is not lying to me now!
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #79 on: June 21, 2011, 05:16:17 PM »
I likes Brads idea of bitch slapping you to next week   LOL   Just messing with ya :thumbup:   Hope it's just something minor Josh, keep us posted bud
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #80 on: June 21, 2011, 05:17:19 PM »
any of the vegas guys are more then welcome to come over tomorrow, and have a look see!
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #81 on: June 21, 2011, 07:59:31 PM »
good luck  Nordie!  Clanks dont lie, I'm  a call away bro !
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #82 on: June 23, 2011, 06:41:55 PM »
So today started as the D-day on the tear down, and i am a glass half full type of guy...well it didnt turn out well, but not the end of the world so here are the pics in sequence

I wanted a nice clean work bench for me to throw shit on so made sure that was "somewhat organized"


At this point i was only one beer in and this is why i took the picture


Next i backed the boat into the shop...see i waited for the the swamp coolers to cool it off enough in there to not suffer from heat


Next here is i needed another beer, because i dont know what im expecting


This is when i have some help show up with alot more knowledge then me"homeblown57" is what we call him around here, because i wanted to hear his expertise on the "clunking" noise coming from the motor...my point is when he showed up it was go time! so the pictures get alot more spaced out...so at this point in it's only 3 beers


This is where chaos and mayhem meet...the diagnostic is #6 rod bearing went, and piston met cylinder head so here's the pictures of that



#6 on the cylinder head side


And my pyle of shit just sitting there


THE END

p.s. anyone wanna guess how many more beer cans are empty on that bench?
« Last Edit: June 23, 2011, 07:19:27 PM by Nordie »
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #83 on: June 23, 2011, 06:57:09 PM »
the red x's are killin me
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #85 on: June 23, 2011, 07:20:13 PM »
all fixed! guessing there is one too many empty bud lights on that bench lol!
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #86 on: June 23, 2011, 09:41:57 PM »
so wudda ya gonna do? Lessee the rod
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Nordies New Mill
« Reply #87 on: June 23, 2011, 09:47:06 PM »
I see a Fawked up burn pattern, but that's about it.  How'd the bearing shit get up in the valley after going through the filter?  What's all that orange shit on the deck surface?
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #88 on: June 23, 2011, 09:57:30 PM »
Sweet Chevelle !
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #89 on: June 23, 2011, 11:13:16 PM »
I see a Fawked up burn pattern, but that's about it.  How'd the bearing shit get up in the valley after going through the filter?  What's all that orange shit on the deck surface?

yeah Dave, Great looking, what '72 Chevelle?

Lots of sparkelys in the valley. Gotta go with Pat on that, but, and I know you were running some pretty long rods and a very high piston/deck height on that, why did only one cylinder give issues? Lemme guess, it's the one with the rod bearing failure huh?  ;)

I don't see head damage though in the pics.......Hows the piston look?  Overall? looks like it ran VERY lean on the front cylinders, looking at the pistons. I know you check yer plugs, so this would be a concern to me. Overall, you can save it!

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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #90 on: June 24, 2011, 05:34:35 AM »
Overall, you can save it!

dont even bother....nordie is stubborn and is set on 'building a bigger motor' rather then getting back on the water. If he sticks to his plan, he wont see water again until 2012.

i told him to pull the bottom apart and rework the crank and put it back together. he said the crank junk ....but how do you know a crank is junk without even pulling the pan off? :screwy:

so I told him i have a good crank he can use......it was one excuse after another. he just wants to junk this thing and start over for what ever reason.  :sly:

im still convinced hes afraid of water.

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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #91 on: June 24, 2011, 05:50:06 AM »
so lets lay this all out.

you say you have a junk crank, a flat cam and maybe a bad piston that kissed the head.

what makes it a 'pile' and non rebuildable? i think you really need to reconsider the situation here nordie and look at it in a bit more positive perspective. I know youre a 'glass is half full' kind of guy, but you need to understand you are NOT that bad off in this situation. its totally rebuildable and will not cost you a fortune.

you might need some crank work (~$200) - if not, use mine
You might need a new cam and lifters (~$200-$300)
You might need a new piston (~$50 - its just a hyper  ::))
Need bearings  ($100)
Need gaskets ($75)

You can be out on the water this summer for $400 to $700 depending on the parts you MIGHT need but have no idea what you actually need because you havent even really got into it yet.

i say sack up and make it happen. i know it sucks, im in the same boat as you right now, but you really need to start looking at life in a more positive aspect bud. no one likes a sour puss. i hope you get this shit sorted out and make it happen. let me know if you need a hand.

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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #92 on: June 24, 2011, 06:20:01 AM »
so lets lay this all out.

you say you have a junk crank, a flat cam and maybe a bad piston that kissed the head.

what makes it a 'pile' and non rebuildable? i think you really need to reconsider the situation here nordie and look at it in a bit more positive perspective. I know youre a 'glass is half full' kind of guy, but you need to understand you are NOT that bad off in this situation. its totally rebuildable and will not cost you a fortune.

you might need some crank work (~$200) - if not, use mine
You might need a new cam and lifters (~$200-$300)
You might need a new piston (~$50 - its just a hyper  ::))
Need bearings  ($100)
Need gaskets ($75)

You can be out on the water this summer for $400 to $700 depending on the parts you MIGHT need but have no idea what you actually need because you havent even really got into it yet.

i say sack up and make it happen. i know it sucks, im in the same boat as you right now, but you really need to start looking at life in a more positive aspect bud. no one likes a sour puss. i hope you get this shit sorted out and make it happen. let me know if you need a hand.

Made a few corrections for you...

you might need some crank work (~$125) - if not, use mine
You might need a new cam and lifters (~$135)
You might need a new piston (~$50 - its just a hyper  ::)) <----- Ouch
Need bearings  ($200)
Need gaskets ($75)
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #93 on: June 24, 2011, 08:35:43 AM »
Im not sour at all...i dont know why brad persieves it to be...look I can band aid it and buy parts im going to get rid of...or I can sack up wait a little longer and build the motor I want...brad it sucks what happened to your motor but you blow one up every trip...maybe if you tried my approach you'll build one that lasts...now my diagnostic on how the shavings got to the top and on the cam...all I got to say about that is the dizzy was very hard to pull there was brass on the gears   of the dizzy...ray im guessing as well that #6 is the culprit...the head was litely getting smacked...so everyone knows im not treating it like its the end of the world, just took notes on what not to do next time! And just drop the hypers already...even,the one that was bouncing off of the head is in great shape! You guys make it seem like its soooo bad well theres your proof...
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #94 on: June 24, 2011, 09:14:09 AM »
Im not sour at all...i dont know why brad persieves it to be...

...brad it sucks what happened to your motor but you blow one up every trip...maybe if you tried my approach you'll build one that lasts...

my point proven. I was trying to be supportive, but you are lashing back with petty jabs. I am totally fine, secure and comfortable with my situation. I am just trying to help you out. No need to be childish.

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And just drop the hypers already...even,the one that was bouncing off of the head is in great shape! You guys make it seem like its soooo bad well theres your proof...

im gunna say you are DAMN lucky. and since you asked, heres your proof. look at this shotgun blast of a mess.







and yes, they were KB hypers.
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #95 on: June 24, 2011, 10:25:04 AM »
When you guys are doing all your fancy dan measuring, do you check rod side play and thrust? Do you resize the big ends? I found a set of bearings in my garage from back in the day trying to get clearances down to a nats ass dated "1980". Anybody need STD bearings for small journal chevy? Got a steel 327 crank too, I know they all were.
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #96 on: June 24, 2011, 10:33:35 AM »
Bet that motor had the wrong ring end gap...probably could happen to any forging...face the facts the pistons are fine....childish petty jabs? Are you high? If I wanted to take jabs at you I would have better material...im just tired of you saying im sour when im really not...it sucks yes...pretty sure I explained this on the phone yesterday
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Nordies New Mill
« Reply #97 on: June 24, 2011, 10:46:36 AM »
Kb hypers require unusually large ring gaps....or they'll end up looking like brad's.  There's a piece of paper in every box stating what the proper ring gaps should be, but most ignore it.
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #98 on: June 24, 2011, 11:03:29 AM »
Why are even talking about my pistons cleary is not the issue
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Re: Nordies New Mill
« Reply #99 on: June 24, 2011, 11:16:45 AM »
ring gaps aint gonna take out a rod bearing. the shit in the valley came right from the rod as it was spinning around. Ring were probably loose as this block was run fefore..i think. For every .001 you open the bore ring gap opens PI, which is 3.147.....Or .003. so it dont take long for gaps to open up wide. So if you've got .002 wear you've open ring gap .006. I wouldnt trust ANY mesurment from ANYBODY unless they measured with THEIR tools and use them everyday. I doubt there are very many people on here that could accuratly measure anything under a thou. I used to machine parts for HPs hard drive robotics and did some for the 1st space shuttle. Some of our tolerences were a hundred times tighter than any boat motor. we used to call automotive machinists, "blacksmiths". We had a machine called a CMM, computer measuring machine, it was in a climate controlled room on an isolated slab. It had a ruby sylist that came in and touched the parts all over and compared to print and gave a report on where the parts is in relation to the print. This was then an ISO-9000 certified part. Someone needs to get one of these set up for blocks. Another thing is you parts will change all day long as temps change if you wanna get real technical.
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