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AQUAHOLIC

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proper cam break in
« on: June 24, 2008, 10:06:47 AM »
how do you guys break in a cam. i should be doing this this weekend as long as all goes as planned. so i am wondering should i hook up water to my motor and run a dry pump for a while to break in the cam.

or do i fire it up set the timing then take it to the water for a cam run.
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2008, 10:27:41 AM »
Put it in the water and let it run @ 1800-2000 for about twenty minutes
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2008, 10:46:59 AM »
Make sure you run some break-in additive! And if you have a ten quart pan use two bottles!
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2008, 01:22:38 PM »
Make sure you run some break-in additive! And if you have a ten quart pan use two bottles!

X2. I lost my cam on run in and I believe that was b/c the engine builder didn't put the break in additive in.  If it is a comp cam, they say to add a bottle at every oil change.
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 02:17:05 PM »
I'm sure this won't be the end of this thread but the last couple edelbrock cams I've put in came with some red moly lube, that I thought was suposed to be drained out (with oil change) after 30 min run in. Also I thought the idea was to vary the r's between 2000 and 2500 r's, for 25 minutes. I'd pull the drive line and do it in the driveway.
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2008, 02:30:08 PM »
i was told by the engine builder to us a diesel oil like rotella and just run it for 20 min at about 2k. how does this sound to you guys. he said nothing of a break in additive.
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2008, 02:53:38 PM »
Break in additive , better safe than sorry! And itis only 10 or 12 bucks a bottle , cheap insurance if you ask me.
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2008, 02:57:58 PM »
I work behind a parts counter , so I have heard alot of cam breakin horror stories! If you are running triple springs you want to remove the inner spring for the break in duration. Also I advise contacting the cam manufacturer and following any and all of their recamendations! Doing a cam break in in the water is very diffacult I would disconnect the drive line and do it in the driveway.
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2008, 03:35:17 PM »
i was told by the engine builder to us a diesel oil like rotella and just run it for 20 min at about 2k. how does this sound to you guys. he said nothing of a break in additive.

Thats what my engine builder did and I lost the cam.  Comp 280H FYI.  The second time around he put the additive in it.  (We were the ones who informed him that the additive must be used or it will void the warrenty on the cam.

If you do not mind, who built your engine?
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2008, 05:26:00 PM »
Not that my opinion means crap, but run the addative (Amsoil, Comp, Crane, Edelbrock,) whatever, but I always use stock springs to break in the cam, then put the correct springs back in once the cam is "cut", vary the rpm with the occasional rev up, this "splashes" oil up in the valley area to lube things up, and run it for twenty to thirty minutes, or in my case until the city police show up,(my neighbor is an A-hole ;D) as soon as the engine shuts down, drain the oil and add more cam break in crap, and refill the crankcase with new oil, readjust the valves and hook the boat up to the motorhome and drive non-stop for 6 hours until your at Shasta lake and go boating ;D

You may want to vary those last few steps....but thats what I do.
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2008, 06:11:09 PM »
I used a TON of molly lube, primed the oil pump, used Rotella oil and disconnected the driveline.  Ran it for 25-30 mins @ 2000 RPM's with a few bursts to 2500-3000.  I used the springs that came with the cams, single for 1 and double for second.  All went well.  I would use the additive next time just because I believe you can't be too careful.  My cam builder (Clay Smith) said Rotella was not good enough and recommended a VR-1 50wt (Not for Street Use) oil that he carries. 
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2008, 08:43:03 PM »
i was told by the engine builder to us a diesel oil like rotella and just run it for 20 min at about 2k. how does this sound to you guys. he said nothing of a break in additive.

IMO thats good advice , rotella ,or Delo or "High line" breakin oils like Torco etc (high additive package) ,breakin additive is cheap and wouldn't hurt to add ,disconnect the DL run it on the hose , 20 to 30 motors a year ,lost one cam ever  Tom
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2008, 08:51:06 PM »
Its the zinc that is gone in oil.Vr 1 and sweepco still has zinc and some diesel oil but they are cutting back too.Zinc prevents scuffing on the lobes.Use the comp oil additive at every oil change.I think Joe Gibbs has oil too with zinc.Roller motors dont need zinc and thats what all the new cars have now.Guess it cheaper to produce the oil without it.
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2008, 09:35:29 PM »
I used 15-40 Delo on mine. At the time I had a Jet-A-Way, but since you don't I highly recommend to disconnect the driveline from the motor and use zip ties to tie it back away from the PTO adapter.

As soon as mine fired up we got it to 2,000 and screwed the idle speed screw in to hold it there. While it was running I got the timing light on it and set the advance dial on it to 36, then revved it until the timing mark on the balancer stopped moving (this should happen somewhere between 2800-3200 if your curve is set up right) and turned the distributor until the mark on the balancer lined up with 0 on the timing tab. After that we let it run for about 25 minutes like that.

35 hours later she's still goin' strong.
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2008, 11:12:24 PM »
Its the zinc that is gone in oil.Vr 1 and sweepco still has zinc and some diesel oil but they are cutting back too.Zinc prevents scuffing on the lobes.Use the comp oil additive at every oil change.I think Joe Gibbs has oil too with zinc.Roller motors dont need zinc and thats what all the new cars have now.Guess it cheaper to produce the oil without it.
Vami your right ,most all the oils we grew up with have had the "additive pkgs" (zinc, moly etc)  removed to get them "competetive' for sales in pep boys CSK etc  go for the good high dollar stuff (joe gibbs ,royal purple ,red line etc) you'll never regret it
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2008, 04:50:17 AM »
I use Brad Penn. It still contains the Zinc content. This is the old Don Garlits Kendall Green oil of years ago. Good stuff. I also use an Engine run in stand I built to break in motors.

http://www.bradpennracing.com/



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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2008, 06:03:20 AM »
I bet that would leave your ears ringing for a little while  ;D
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2008, 06:06:39 AM »
I bet that would leave your ears ringing for a little while  ;D

Yup and someone called the cops too.  :banghead:
T.J.

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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2008, 07:13:35 AM »
Yup and someone called the cops too.  :banghead:
T.J.

There is an azzhole in every neighborhood (but the ones who call the cops probably say that about us who start our boats)
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2008, 08:14:41 AM »
i have to pull the motor half way out to get the drive line off.
so i plan on running rotella with additive
disconnecting the drive line and run for 20 mins at 2k to 2500rpm.
set timing while doing cam break in.
change oil and head to the river.

does this sound ok to you guys.
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2008, 08:26:53 AM »
i have to pull the motor half way out to get the drive line off.
so i plan on running rotella with additive
disconnecting the drive line and run for 20 mins at 2k to 2500rpm.
set timing while doing cam break in.
change oil and head to the river.

does this sound ok to you guys.

Sds good ,this is best done with a "helper" (GF or buddy) to "man" the hose , get out some basic tools (timing lite dizzy wrench ,screw driver etc ,monitor the temp and oil pressure watch for leaks etc use your watch or cell phone to mark time ,don't scrimp on the time factor  (20 min drags on) if you have to abort for something start the process over . make sure the fuel tanks are full ,boat is level side to side and bow up slightly  NEVER turn the hose on till the engine starts . It does hurt to fire the motor for a few sec's prior to the breakin to make sure it will start and idle prior to. And we always pre fill the block with h2o ahead of time (thru hulls we disconnect the riser hoses to prefill ,headers we pinch or shut off the header water) Good luck! Tom
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2008, 08:56:43 AM »
hey tony a few of the guys on here have sound advice but some  :screwy: disconet it run the water let it run like they said and once every few min you want to bring the rpms up like blurp the throttle when done let it cool all the way down before you start it again just like when you break in the dirt bike let it get all the way cool what weight oil did they tell you to run? you dont want to run to thick unless the motor is loose then your sucking up the clearences with the oil the lighter the better YOU HAVE SEEN HOW HARD MY BOAT RUNS 102 at 6500rpm with" 15-30" none of this 50 60  70 weight crap good luck call me if you need help at the trailer
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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2008, 12:15:32 PM »
You definately want to vary the RPM's like Tofast says. The cam gets oiled from the splash off of the crank, and you don't want to leave a section dry (or lightly oiled) during the break in. You want to run GM EoS in very liberal amounts, and no long cranking. Make sure that thing will start when you turn the key.

If you are running a Chevy, this is especially important. Chevy's tend to eat cams do to thier design anyway, startup proceedure is really important.




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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2008, 12:29:13 PM »
I put mine in the water and just took a slow ride around the no wake zone.  Varied speed between 1800 to 2300 or so RPM's.

  Never more than 400 yards from the launch so no issue if I had to row.
If it's in the water you can't mess up the pump in any way and no hassle with the drive line.
We put it back on the trailer and changed the oil.  went back out for a ride.

We used Rotella oil and Comp cam additive.

Good luck


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Re: proper cam break in
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2008, 05:11:40 PM »
The machine shop/engine builder I go to recommends and uses Joe Gibbs Racing oil for break-in.  I mix in a quart on every oil change.  For "off-road" use only.  ;D

http://www.joegibbsracingoil.com/products/br.html

Cheers, Mark
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