Why is my 460 eating starters

« **on:** July 14, 2009, 03:19:55 PM »

Starter went bad last week replaced with kragens finest . Cranked over like a champ . went to use my boat today starter wont crank over sounds like its getting hung up . Any ideas or just bad luck.

« **Reply #1 on:** July 14, 2009, 03:26:01 PM »

Run a new power and ground wire.

« **Reply #2 on:** July 14, 2009, 03:53:46 PM »

both are new

« **Reply #3 on:** July 14, 2009, 03:57:18 PM »

Whats your timing at?

« **Reply #4 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:04:44 PM »

dont know never checked it always ran well . In fact i dont even see a timing tab on the motor

« **Reply #5 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:07:19 PM »

can the timing wear out the starter?

« **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:36:39 PM »

if your timing is to advanced it will make it difficult to turn over. the starter is just an electric motor, over work it and it will wear out.

« **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:42:23 PM »

Quote from: 79charger on July 14, 2009, 03:19:55 PM

Starter went bad last week replaced with kragens finest . Cranked over like a champ . went to use my boat today starter wont crank over sounds like its getting hung up . Any ideas or just bad luck.

What were the symptoms that made you replace the starter?

How long have you been using this boat prior to replacing the starter?

Did you check the voltage at the batt posts b4 and during cranking?

Any chance you left the key on or have something that drained the batt between last week and now?

« **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2009, 06:42:09 PM »

OK, Glenn usually nails these things right away. But I'll play the blind squirrel for a minute.

First, Aux Solenoid? could be that.

Second, Ignition switch (You'd be surprised! My late Bezzer had that happen with MANY non-beleiving witnesses that that could be the problem).

Third, Battery. (Had that be an issue recently with a fairly NEW battery too!).

Just a few ideas, but I'd be looking at #2 seriously. A $12 switch to try and might fix it.

Ray

« **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2009, 07:09:27 PM »

Just had this happen to me...took starter out and took to kragen has starter tested...pretty simple starter failed test new starter...we had same delima it was the solenoid that failed...acted like it was a dead battery type of deal...tested both batteries and had the volts tested kill switch ignition switch everything...came back to starter...If you have aux solenoid or one on starter could possibly be them

« **Reply #10 on:** July 14, 2009, 07:16:33 PM »

I agree with the solenoid being the problem, when I had my boat shop, I would not put a starter on without a new solenoid or slave solenoid.

To eliminate the key switcheroo dealio, try jumping the solenoid at the engine...If it cranks good, it is either the wiring or the switch.....

To do this, use a jumper lead from the "battery" pole to the small pole with the yellow wire, if it has a 12V coil boost wire, be careful, it may start and cause a little pee to come out (don't ask)

GT

« **Reply #11 on:** July 14, 2009, 07:18:50 PM »

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[it may start and cause a little pee to come out (don't ask)
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I don't CARE! I'm asking, lol

Ray

« **Reply #12 on:** July 14, 2009, 07:26:21 PM »

Quote from: IRRebel on July 14, 2009, 07:18:50 PM

I don't CARE! I'm asking, lol

Ray

It was 1 AM, we (my dad and I) just put the 454 back in our jet after replacing the starter and fixing an oil leak, the boat was backed into the garage and we jumped the solenoid to see if it would crank because we were headed to the lake that night and wanted to see the starter work...It did and it started up too, 4" collector open headers against a wall at 1 AM will make bodily fluids jump out of you like a firehose

GT

« **Reply #13 on:** July 14, 2009, 07:32:03 PM »

Ohhhhhh OK! I get it! Did that nearly to myself when the Moo first fired! lol. (Still get a kick outta doing it to noobs that haven't been exposed to these things!).

That's funny! (10 times louder in the 'rage!)

Ray

« **Reply #14 on:** July 14, 2009, 08:00:26 PM »

I pulled the starter and the whole housing where the gear and bearing was cracked and broke off . So safe to say that was my problem .Cheap kragen crap > They replaced it i installed and the boat started fine, hope this doesnt happen again

« **Reply #15 on:** July 14, 2009, 08:20:56 PM »

Ummm Just to restate what you said, the Nose cone (That holds the bendix and attached starter gear in the starter) was cracked/broken?

Dude, you've got a severely worn ring gear or the starter needs to be shimmed properly to work with your setup.

Just my .02

Ray

« **Reply #16 on:** July 14, 2009, 08:28:53 PM »

Quote from: IRRebel on July 14, 2009, 08:20:56 PM

Ummm Just to restate what you said, the Nose cone (That holds the bendix and attached starter gear in the starter) was cracked/broken?

Dude, you've got a severely worn ring gear or the starter needs to be shimmed properly to work with your setup.

Just my .02

Ray

X dos

Bolts, they must be tight too...

GT

« **Reply #17 on:** July 14, 2009, 08:30:07 PM »

how do you know if you have to shim it > the one i pulled out wasnt shimmed

« **Reply #18 on:** July 14, 2009, 08:33:29 PM »

Did you look inside to see how the flywheel was? Did the starter drag anywhere? I had to shim mine but you could hear it drag.

« **Reply #19 on:** July 14, 2009, 09:26:38 PM »

i didnt turn over the motor but of what i saw of the fly wheel it looked fine . it starts great now . you can hear the starter engage and disengage fine

« **Reply #20 on:** July 14, 2009, 11:18:55 PM »

Where would you put shims on a Ford starter?

« **Reply #21 on:** July 17, 2009, 07:48:34 AM »

Sorry about that, mine is a masco gear reduction starter.

« **Reply #22 on:** July 17, 2009, 08:48:18 AM »

Quote from: gregb on July 14, 2009, 11:18:55 PM

Where would you put shims on a Ford starter?

Can't shim it, but there are two versions of a Ford starter, one has two mounting holes and one has three, the three I believe was used in the heavy duty, or big block stuff, where I am going with this, sometimes the bolts get left loose and it tears up the nose gear, inspect the step where it goes into the hole and inspect the bolt holes as well, if they look beat up (starter remanufacturers just bead blast them and reuse them) get a different starter.

I have seen some instances where they use too long of bolts in the blind holed bell housings and they don't tighten up right too...

Just things to check...

GT

« **Reply #23 on:** July 17, 2009, 10:24:10 AM »

Yeah, no shimming a Ford starter. But a nose cone breaking or cracking means the bendix gear is riding up on top of the ring gear. The ONLY way that can happen, unless something else got caught up in it. (In which case, you have maybe another issue, loose parts rolling around in the bellhousing, like a bolt that came out of the crank, or something.) Is a worn flexplate gear or bendix.

If you're flexplate has any wear to it to the point where you can feel a 'lip' halfway or even partway back on any teeth, it needs to go away and be replaced. I read broken nose cone, and I would replace it anyway, regardless, as well as (obviously) the starter.

Again, just my input, but I've seen this before on street engines and it's ALWAYS one of these things.

Ray

« **Reply #24 on:** July 17, 2009, 07:02:38 PM »

I have a question i just put a new starter in my boat and when i hook up the battery as soon as i touch the ground wire to the terminal the motor starts to crank. What would cause this?

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