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Brad @ SCJB

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Need Paint/Gelcoat
« on: November 17, 2006, 08:38:18 AM »
I need someone who can paint/gel coat in the Orange County/Riverside/Corona area. I need one for this project
  • Boat #1: 1978 Liberty
  • Boat #2: 1982 Eliminator Sprint
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The Chaz

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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2006, 11:23:12 AM »
I found a guy in Oceanside who supposed to finish doing my boat in 3 weeks.  New Gel on the bottom and painting the top. I heavily prepped it and he is doing the rest for $1350.  I'll give you his number after I see how it turns out if you want.  You cant be in a hurry though, he only works on it when he feels like it and has had my boat for 2 months already.
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2006, 12:21:02 PM »
I found a guy in Oceanside who supposed to finish doing my boat in 3 weeks.  New Gel on the bottom and painting the top. I heavily prepped it and he is doing the rest for $1350.  I'll give you his number after I see how it turns out if you want.  You cant be in a hurry though, he only works on it when he feels like it and has had my boat for 2 months already.

Thanks for the suggestion. I am not in a rush, just trying to find someone who I can work closely with that can tell me the do's and don'ts of the prep work so I can have it 100% ready for them before I drop it off. Also, I need to find someone who can match the old school metal flake color scheme. From what I understand, its a harder process using metal flake and even harder to find metal flake to match it.

I have contacted a guy by the name of Todd who is looking into the whole metal flake situation for me to see if he can find a match of any sort.

-Goad
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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2006, 12:45:44 PM »
I was talking to a guy out at Martinez who does gel coat and I think he was talking about multi-colored gel coats for around $3500. I saw a boat that he did years ago and it still looks awesome. I can probably get his number if your interested.
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2006, 12:48:30 PM »
I was talking to a guy out at Martinez who does gel coat and I think he was talking about multi-colored gel coats for around $3500. I saw a boat that he did years ago and it still looks awesome. I can probably get his number if your interested.

I just got a quote from Sal over at Orange County Boat Repair....he said anywhere between $3,500 and $4,200 ...this guy came very highly recomended. I think I will be going with this option once the funds are available.
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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2006, 01:00:34 PM »
I have gone in and talked to the guys over at Ultra Custom Boats and they are more then helpful with any questions and their shop foreman was going to re do some stuff for a friend of mine and he said that it was the cheapest he found anywere. And since it is Ultra you no they aren't gonna screw it up!   They are located in Alpine ,CA or it might show up as Lakeside.
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2006, 01:39:36 PM »
I have gone in and talked to the guys over at Ultra Custom Boats and they are more then helpful with any questions and their shop foreman was going to re do some stuff for a friend of mine and he said that it was the cheapest he found anywere. And since it is Ultra you no they aren't gonna screw it up!   They are located in Alpine ,CA or it might show up as Lakeside.

thanks for the suggestion  :)

on a side note....when talking to sal and mentioning that the boat has metal flake....he mentioned that 'back in the day' the metal flake had a type of wax on it that causes the gel coat to flake/crack over time....thus why this gel coat looks like crap.....and they use a type of primer/sealer over the old stuff before laying down the new coat. This guy really sounded like he knew what he was talking about and had really investigated this old known issue.

I will talk to the guys over at ultra to see if they have any insight to this as well.
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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2006, 05:49:03 PM »
If you're looking to go low buck on it, you should prime it yourself and have it painted. I'm in the middle of a 1973 Sleekcraft Rebel project that looks alot like yours. Gold blingin bassboat big flake on it with the same clear coat peeling off. The best part of the boat was the wood grain laminate on the deck. The first thought on it was to sand off the deck and cut into the flake gel to get rid of all of it. 80 grit on the DA and 12 hours of sanding later, i'm giving up on that idea. The next plan is to sand off all the clear top coat (I have to flip the hull to do the bottom) and lay primer on top. I just finished my neighbors hull with polyester primer and i'm going to do the same with this. The poly lays on super thick and bonds with anything. Just make sure you repair any cracks, crazing, etc.. before shooting the primer. You can shoot the primer out of a $25 HVLP gun from harbor freight. Just prime it, block it, and send it out for paint and call it a day. Also, I got the primer from a wholesale place in SD for $65 a gallon shipped. If you go this route, let me know and i'll steer you in the right direction for materials.
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2006, 06:06:03 PM »
If you're looking to go low buck on it, you should prime it yourself and have it painted. I'm in the middle of a 1973 Sleekcraft Rebel project that looks alot like yours. Gold blingin bassboat big flake on it with the same clear coat peeling off. The best part of the boat was the wood grain laminate on the deck. The first thought on it was to sand off the deck and cut into the flake gel to get rid of all of it. 80 grit on the DA and 12 hours of sanding later, i'm giving up on that idea. The next plan is to sand off all the clear top coat (I have to flip the hull to do the bottom) and lay primer on top. I just finished my neighbors hull with polyester primer and i'm going to do the same with this. The poly lays on super thick and bonds with anything. Just make sure you repair any cracks, crazing, etc.. before shooting the primer. You can shoot the primer out of a $25 HVLP gun from harbor freight. Just prime it, block it, and send it out for paint and call it a day. Also, I got the primer from a wholesale place in SD for $65 a gallon shipped. If you go this route, let me know and i'll steer you in the right direction for materials.

Thanks for the ideas.....

Now for the real question....whats the pro's/con's of painting vs gel coating a boat?
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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2006, 12:09:59 AM »
Thanks for the ideas.....

Now for the real question....whats the pro's/con's of painting vs gel coating a boat?
From what I've  heard .

Gel - Much stronger and durable in case your gonna be walkin all over it and draggin stuff on it especially with kids this is probably the way to go .

Paint - Alot cheaper which will allow you to get more creative . If you plan on babying the paint , there are some real durable paints out there now . If your lucky enough to not have kids and really be able to take care of the finish . This might be the option for you.

Thats my take on it anyways.

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909

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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2006, 02:36:24 PM »
Thanks for the ideas.....

Now for the real question....whats the pro's/con's of painting vs gel coating a boat?

Sticking with a paint that's going to flex and not crack means it's softer than say the old school Imron. With a softer paint, that means that you can't drag a cooler across your deck and not expect it to scratch. If you go nuts with the colors, you're going to want a thick ass clear on it anyway. As long as you care about the boat, you'll be fine. The cool thing about paint, is that yes it's softer than gel, but 100 times easier to do a home repair than gel. I would think though that if you're going to spend $3500 for a gel coat job that you'd take care of it too. I have 3 kids, and i'd rather fix paint. I can have my boat painted 3x for your 1 gel coat. I can do it myself at home 7x for your 1 gel coat.

Something else to think about:
I'm finishing up the glass work on this hull then laying down paint. After the paint, i'm having a buddy of mine lay clear shield on the deck and along the bow area of the hull (for scratch resistant beaching).

I personally have never tried this on a full sized boat, but my cars all have this on them and I have a sheet of it on the bottom of my seadoo. It's very durable.
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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2007, 08:28:01 PM »
i have Imron on my bad gel. has been pretty durable. (no metal flke though) the kids have put a few scratches on it. but they are on the swim step, so it's no big deal to me. plus sprayin the Imron is easy. can do it yourself for less $. basically, all the white my boat white is original 1979 gelcoat and the blue scallops (factory on Taylor SJ)  are the new Imron. scallops are now larger than original to get ell the bad spots.
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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2007, 09:50:09 PM »
How do you blend the two areas together if you use imron to cover up the bad areas to make it feel smooth when you rub your hand across. Also if I was to do this, the metal flake I would be covering up is brown and the main color of the boat is a faded yellow which is in good shape. What would be a good color to cover brown metal flake. Any suggestion.
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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2007, 01:46:03 PM »
Whats up 909.I have that wood grain laminate stuff on the top of my boat also.You can see pictures of it under the projects page.Its th 1978 Trophy.What is the best way to get that stuff off?Thanks for the help.What would you suggest to fix stress cracks?Some are good size and some are small.
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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2007, 11:13:14 AM »
hey guys, does any one kown where i can get a pait job that will not empty out my bank around i.e.
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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2007, 12:15:53 PM »
I'm sure Salvador was probably recommended to you by the same guy that turned me onto him.  A buddy of mine used him for his tournament boat (stored outside with no cover and need the red in the gel re-shot)  Sal is one of the ONLY guys that deliveres a quote in writing, and sticks to it.  Both in terms of cost and timeframe.  Kenny and BK in Bellflower would be the other recommendation if you need some glasswork done too. 

Something to think about, you may or may not have heard stories from Rich about how Sal used to get sent out on a plane with a spray gun, bags of metal flake, and do repairs for Tahiti.  He was/is good with flake. 

You'll learn quick in this hobby, that gel is one place you don't accept the low bid.  My brother did that with a F'ing A'Hole outta Havasu and the guy ended up doing far more harm than good to the overall strength of the boat.

Save the coin to do the job right, go with Sal, enjoy your boat.

Chris
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2007, 12:58:05 PM »
I'm sure Salvador was probably recommended to you by the same guy that turned me onto him.  A buddy of mine used him for his tournament boat (stored outside with no cover and need the red in the gel re-shot)  Sal is one of the ONLY guys that deliveres a quote in writing, and sticks to it.  Both in terms of cost and timeframe.  Kenny and BK in Bellflower would be the other recommendation if you need some glasswork done too. 

Something to think about, you may or may not have heard stories from Rich about how Sal used to get sent out on a plane with a spray gun, bags of metal flake, and do repairs for Tahiti.  He was/is good with flake. 

You'll learn quick in this hobby, that gel is one place you don't accept the low bid.  My brother did that with a F'ing A'Hole outta Havasu and the guy ended up doing far more harm than good to the overall strength of the boat.

Save the coin to do the job right, go with Sal, enjoy your boat.

Chris

well, Since summer is coming up so soon and the boat fund isnt anywhere near enough to cover the cost of his 'over the phone' quote......we decided to do the gel ourselves. We have more time then money, so we're gunna give it a shot.
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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2007, 04:09:55 PM »
If you're going to shoot it yourselves, get ahold of the guys at Sherfab Unlimited on Carmenita at the 5fwy.  They will be able to point you in the right direction and carry everything you need at good prices.  There are some additives etc that can save you considerable time on the final sanding.

Chris
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2007, 04:18:30 PM »
If you're going to shoot it yourselves, get ahold of the guys at Sherfab Unlimited on Carmenita at the 5fwy.  They will be able to point you in the right direction and carry everything you need at good prices.  There are some additives etc that can save you considerable time on the final sanding.

Chris

THANK YOU! I have been asking/looking for a suggested local or online supplier for ages! I will give those guys a call for sure.


-Brad
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Re: Need Paint/Gelcoat
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2007, 08:48:30 PM »
Brad,

If that suggestion does not pan out for ya call El Monte Auto Paint in El Monte ask for Bullett he is the owner
I been dealing with the guy for years he is real old school and knows his sh&t about paint. Tell him Jeremy from
freightliner recommended you call.

If your looking for straight answers he is your guy.
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