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20 advantage jet
« on: June 27, 2014, 06:43:34 AM »
Does anybody have opinions or information about the performance and reliability of advantage boats I'm looking at a 20 foot jet with Droop snoop dominatr Berkeley with the  454 stock interior and paint is stock and mint has been sitting for 6 years in a garage.

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2014, 07:07:09 AM »
Does anybody have opinions or information about the performance and reliability of advantage boats I'm looking at a 20 foot jet with Droop snoop dominatr Berkeley with the  454 stock interior and paint is stock and mint has been sitting for 6 years in a garage.

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Lots off them out there.
Pics.

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2014, 07:08:50 AM »
I don't have any pictures but how would it  compare to my Kona

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2014, 07:46:33 AM »
I don't have any pictures but how would it  compare to my Kona

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"Benny the Broom" as he was referred to.
His glass work looked like it was laid and pushed around with a broom...
Or so I was told.

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2014, 08:16:49 AM »
Here's a couple pics of ours. Bought it new in 89. Advantage builds a solid boat.
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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2014, 08:04:14 PM »
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"Benny the Broom" as he was referred to.
His glass work looked like it was laid and pushed around with a broom...
Or so I was told.

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yeah that's for sure! The gel coat finish drives me nuts.

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2014, 08:10:23 PM »
Well now I have three boats! I'm starting to think maybe I have a problem.  Just bought 88 20' advantage stock 454 (I'll fix that this winter) dominator jet with droop 100 hours!  Boat is mint it's been sitting in a garage for 9 years.
I'll get some better pictures tomorrow

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2014, 08:12:56 PM »
Well now I have three boats! I'm starting to think maybe I have a problem.  Just bought 88 20' advantage stock 454 (I'll fix that this winter) dominator jet with droop 100 hours!  Boat is mint it's been sitting in a garage for 9 years.
I'll get some better pictures tomorrow

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That thing is fockin sexy!
Congrats!

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2014, 08:18:32 PM »
Here's a couple pics of ours. Bought it new in 89. Advantage builds a solid boat.
just bought this today. I'll post some more pics tomorrow.  What do you have for a motor and drive? That's an amazing looking boat you have! Is it all original

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2014, 08:21:55 PM »

That thing is fockin sexy!
Congrats!

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thank you! Now I've got a little more room for.... well ... something that might pop up:D

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2014, 09:45:11 PM »
just bought this today. I'll post some more pics tomorrow.  What do you have for a motor and drive? That's an amazing looking boat you have! Is it all original

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Had gel similar to yours. In o6 decided to update the gel and interior.  We had a mild 30 over 454 with all Edelbrock Performer Plus kit, closed chambered heads and gps'd at 73 mph.
Bottom was straighten when we regelled the boat. That made a big difference. Has a Dominator pump with a ride plate and shoe, also made a big difference. Yours probably doesn't have a fin in the bottom. I recomend it with this hull.  I spun mine out twice and took it back to Harry for a fin.
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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2014, 04:20:53 PM »
The best I can get is 59.5 gps! And no it won't hit 60 no matter what I do.
Will a shoe make much difference?  How can I get this thing to hit 70? It turns 47-4800 rpm. Place diverter , droop, ride plate

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2014, 04:39:06 PM »
Spending a bunch of money on the pump and motor will get you 70 mph. Figure a thousand dollars for each mph.

Or* fill up the tanks and ice chest and run it till it breaks.
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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2014, 07:15:15 PM »
I hope the pump picture you posted is old, because with don't see a diverter... Also it sounds like your rpm's are pretty low, what impeller are you running? (I know those dominators are different, than the berks) but it sounds like you're missing something. 


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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2014, 07:47:26 PM »
It sounds about right for bone stock.
Would like to know what grate is in it.

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2014, 07:52:00 PM »
Here's a couple pics of ours. Bought it new in 89. Advantage builds a solid boat.
:)

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2014, 07:59:45 PM »
It sounds about right for bone stock.
Would like to know what grate is in it.



Yup...


How fast do you want to go?

Lose the rudder, add a Place Diverter (the single most impressive change you can make for the buck).

Lose the anemic vacuum secondary carburetor for a mechanical secondary 850cfm marine

Lighten the interior wherever you can (betting it has plywood everywhere)

Move as much weight to the back as humanly possible.

Make sure the engine compartment is well ventilated, most closed engine compartments run in excess of 130°F, not to HP friendly)

Make sure of the tune i.e.; timing  all in at 2500 RPM and max at 36° BTDC, ride plate about 3° up from flat, jetting is at least close, controls are synched correctly (reverse gate out of the way, throttle opens 100% etc.), fuel pressure is adequate.

It is my opinion that 60MPH is what should do.

On an unrelated note, you really need to pull the elbows off the exhaust and replace those gaskets. Looks to me like they are original and need some attention.

With the above changes, you will have a 65 MPH boat. To go faster, you need to lighten the boat by 400#, remove the comfort hook in the bottom, add a loader, a stuffer, and make about another 100 HP. That should theoretically put you at near 70. A lot of money for 5 MPH, but the truth hurts.


If it was my boat, I would add a Diverter, replace the carburetor and go have some fun...

GT


edit; at the very least, make sure you have the light yellow spring in the vacuum pot for the carburetor.

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2014, 08:02:02 PM »
The best I can get is 59.5 gps! And no it won't hit 60 no matter what I do.
Will a shoe make much difference?  How can I get this thing to hit 70? It turns 47-4800 rpm. Place diverter , droop, ride plate

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What is your ride plate mounted to?
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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2014, 01:46:35 AM »

Here's a couple pics of ours. Bought it new in 89. Advantage builds a solid boat.

Wow..... What a badass boat.... Did you re gel it? Or is that original?


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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2014, 03:30:09 AM »
Thanks guys. These pictures were taken the day I bought it. Since then I've added a place diverter tuned the engine with new cap rotor points plugs wires exhaust and riser gaskets fuel filter  set the timing and the dwell. Installed a new blower fan for engine compartment (leave it on to try and reduce temperature).
I'll get some pictures of the bottom of the boat along with the intake.
What's the difference between a loader and a stuffer? Would just a shoe be enough?  Can you ever overload a pump? What's a comfort hook and how much of a job is it to remove it?
Thanks for everyone s help here. I probably would not own a jet boat if it wasn't for you

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2014, 03:42:34 AM »
I'm thinking about how to make more horsepower . So to make it breath better what headers , intake and carburetor?  I'd prefer to not tear into the engine just yet. But when I do the new parts I put on now I'd like to reuse.
Are these good heads?

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2014, 06:28:29 AM »
Had gel similar to yours. In o6 decided to update the gel and interior.  We had a mild 30 over 454 with all Edelbrock Performer Plus kit, closed chambered heads and gps'd at 73 mph.
Bottom was straighten when we regelled the boat. That made a big difference. Has a Dominator pump with a ride plate and shoe, also made a big difference. Yours probably doesn't have a fin in the bottom. I recomend it with this hull.  I spun mine out twice and took it back to Harry for a fin.
what did the performer plus kit consist of?  What exhaust and carburetor do you have? Do you have a loader or stuffer? Stock impeller? Any idea how much horsepower you have now?

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2014, 12:00:57 PM »
Thanks guys. These pictures were taken the day I bought it. Since then I've added a place diverter tuned the engine with new cap rotor points plugs wires exhaust and riser gaskets fuel filter  set the timing and the dwell.

Points? Right there is and easy fix. Buy a Pertronix conversion kit.  Where is your timing at?

Installed a new blower fan for engine compartment (leave it on to try and reduce temperature).

How many vents does the compartment have?


I'll get some pictures of the bottom of the boat along with the intake.
What's the difference between a loader and a stuffer?

Loader is a device to help square up the load on the impeller, it is mounted in the intake in place of rock grate. A stuffer is a device installed on the front of the bowl between the stator and the impeller to reduce unnecessary "mixing" in the transition area of the impeller.

 
Would just a shoe be enough? 

For what? If you are looking to install a shoe to just add speed, just wait until you have another 100 HP. It looks to me like it already has one anyway.


Can you ever overload a pump?

Absolutely.

What's a comfort hook and how much of a job is it to remove it?

A hook is like a trim tab, but molded into the bottom of the boat, they are used to prevent the boat from porpoising. They are a major job to remove.

 
Thanks for everyone s help here. I probably would not own a jet boat if it wasn't for you.

Sorry....    :-\


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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2014, 12:08:22 PM »
I'm thinking about how to make more horsepower .

IMHO your best bet would be to build another engine leaving old faithful rock and roll....  :thumbup: :thumbup:

So to make it breath better what headers , intake and carburetor?

Headers? are you out of your mind? Leave what you have (IMO)

850 CFM mechanical secondary Holley or Quick Fuel have proven themselves over and over again. An open plenum Air Gap RPM has been one of my favorites since they came out.

I'd prefer to not tear into the engine just yet. But when I do the new parts I put on now I'd like to reuse.

Leave it alone... It sounds like it runs spot on, you did not buy a river rocket, when you build the new motor make sure it is what you want.
 
Are these good heads?

For what?  ;)



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« Last Edit: September 07, 2014, 12:16:38 PM by GT Jets »
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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2014, 12:30:16 PM »
Yeah I'm starting to think just run it hard with maybe another carburetor and start to collect parts for a new build

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