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Squirrel Master

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« on: January 09, 2015, 11:07:33 PM »
Ok so I've heard different things somebody said that JC bowls flow better than JG bowls but the reason why people don't want to do work on JC bowls is because you cannot do a droop or wedges and things like that to is JC the my boat rides well with my JC I just wanted detailed to go faster. What bowls flow better?

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Re: Bowls
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2015, 11:56:48 PM »
Ok so I've heard different things somebody said that JC bowls flow better than JG bowls but the reason why people don't want to do work on JC bowls is because you cannot do a droop or wedges and things like that to is JC the my boat rides well with my JC I just wanted detailed to go faster. What bowls flow better?

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OK, here is the full skinny... I am fully prepared to have this information challenged, so don't be afraid LOL...

A JC standard unworked bowl does not flow "better" than an equally unworked, stock JG bowl. Period, end of story, never been proven.

What the consensus seems to be is, the JC bowl, with the longer vanes, can (Not does) straighten the water more effectively than a G. All that said, it basically means that the outlet water has the potential to have lest twist on the JC than the JG. Never been proven, can't find a shred of documentation.

Add to this, the JC bowl has no "transition" from the bowl to the neck down area, whereas a JG has a gasket, a flange and the nozzle adapter.

Most early Droop Snoots had a flat divider plate cast into them, this plate would straighten the water even more than a JC bowl ever could, but was believed to limit flow because of it's cumbersome shape. I still Call BS to this day, but will say maybe in some conditions.

If you really want a bowl that flows, upgrade to an American Turbine... That being said, it's not cost effective.

You could clean up either bowl and "might" notice an Ass-O-Nometer difference, but I doubt it, when you get to the bowl detailing portion of the game, the differences are tenths of a MPH. The biggest gains on a pump as far as performance are, in order of importance; Loading, if you can't get the water in, you're not getting the water out, a quality loader properly set up and a stuffer to help reduce outlet cavitation is a must..., Trim, if you cannot adjust how the hull rides in the water, the hull will never realize peak performance., Matching the impeller to engine HP, (this probably should have been first, but let's just assume you were already close).

There are several other things that determine the performance of a jet, but you said pump.... So there you go.

The next time someone says a JC outflows a JG, ask them to prove it. We have tested so many combinations over the years (granted 15+years ago) that I can tell you that what you think works, probably does not.

If and when you get a bowl detailed, spend 90% of your efforts on the outer interior surfaces, the center section is less important, I see guys spending hours getting them all purdy and stuff, but there is very little velocity in the inner areas of the bowl.

Post up some details of your current set up and I will see if there is something obvious.

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Re: Bowls
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2015, 09:28:20 AM »
79 tahiti it has a shoe a ride plate n a loader in a hydraulic place diverter I ran 71 and the pump is tired and needs a rebuild

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Re: Bowls
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2015, 11:45:46 AM »
79 tahiti it has a shoe a ride plate n a loader in a hydraulic place diverter I ran 71 and the pump is tired and needs a rebuild

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Impeller cut and material?
Approximate HP and RPM?
Why do you say the pump is tired?
Stuffed?
How deep is the Shoe?
How deep and what loader?


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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2015, 12:48:27 AM »
I believe the imeller is a a and it is aluminum 470 horse 525 foot pounds of torque at 2800 rpm 515 lbs at 5000 rpm 71mph at 5100rpm no stuffer loader is a sport i believe has the center triangle piece if that makes sense will take pics tomorrow shoe depth idk came set like that pump is only 3 to 6inches back. And the pump is tired because it sounds like this rocks in it Brad said the wear ring is probably gone and then at the last SoCal jetboat meeting the pump started to wine faintly

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Re: Bowls
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2015, 08:34:03 AM »
Also what bowls can I get to run with my Berkeley intake that I could still use my hydraulic place diverter so I don't have to replace that cuz I'm trying to beat Art in a race

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Re: Bowls
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2015, 10:03:52 AM »
Also what bowls can I get to run with my Berkeley intake that I could still use my hydraulic place diverter so I don't have to replace that cuz I'm trying to beat Art in a race

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Your Place Diverter should work with virtually any Berkeley style bowl.

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Re: Bowls
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2015, 11:21:09 PM »
I have a line on a JG pump with the droop has a stuffer and just a stage 1 rebuild. Now my ride plate has adjustable arms where the top and is welded to my JC pump how am I going to Mount my ride plate to this jg pump. I think I might need mad skills for this

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Re: Bowls
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2015, 11:23:49 PM »
Here's some pictures

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Re: Bowls
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2015, 11:25:24 PM »
Also what about the steering? What do i do there

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Re: Bowls
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2015, 11:40:03 PM »
I have a line on a JG pump with the droop has a stuffer and just a stage 1 rebuild. Now my ride plate has adjustable arms where the top and is welded to my JC pump how am I going to Mount my ride plate to this jg pump. I think I might need mad skills for this

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With a bulkhead bracket sandwiched between the bowl and the droop... Super simple and quite frankly, bulletproof...

Not a fan of welding crap onto the cast bowl... Not calling it wrong, just not a fan.

Do it like so....

GT
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2015, 11:57:09 PM »
Where do I look to buy one

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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2015, 11:49:00 AM »
Damn I had one, just sold it to rivertards son.
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Re: Bowls
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2015, 12:10:48 PM »
I mite have one. I'll take a look later on today. 👍👍👍


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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2015, 02:02:50 PM »
Awsome let me know

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Re: Bowls
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2015, 02:13:35 PM »
Oh bowl to droop is double drilled

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Re: Bowls
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2015, 02:15:14 PM »
Heres pic

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Re: Bowls
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2015, 02:20:57 PM »
Oh bowl to droop is double drilled

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I see a drill in your future.

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2015, 02:22:10 PM »
Your talking about intake rt

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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2015, 02:23:29 PM »
Heres another

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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2015, 02:35:07 PM »
Your talking about intake rt

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No, thinking you will likely need to drill the "double holes" yourself....

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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2015, 02:41:35 PM »
Ok so tell me where?

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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2015, 02:50:13 PM »
I thought a JG bowl has 10 bolt holes for the bowll to the droop there's more than 10 hole showing in the photo im lost

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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2015, 02:54:38 PM »
I thought a JG bowl has 10 bolt holes for the bowll to the droop there's more than 10 hole showing in the photo im lost

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I am talking about the new bracket you don't yet have. ............

Relax lol.

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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2015, 02:55:51 PM »
Oh stupid ok lol

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