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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2013, 10:20:33 PM »
Looking good!!!   :thumbup:
That reminds me of the good ole days working at the Sea Ray plant installing Mercruiser engines and outdrives in the 18ft to 23ft sport boats

you sound like someone that could tell me what goes where, and what im missing. 

so far im out a trim pump, which im already looking into a few on ebay...   the nuts that secure the gimbal to the transom assembly.  the bolt that attaches the ram to the transom assembly.  bolt/shaft that attaches ram to steering of gimbal.  ill need an exhaust block off plate, the outdrive itself, shifter cable, bellhousing, flywheel, and coupler?

long list but doesnt seem too bad...

whats the deal with the electronic shifter plate and short cable/linkage? 
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #51 on: April 18, 2013, 10:29:22 PM »
I have your outdrive.

Haven't been by the shop to get a picture for you yet, but its a nice piece, drive shower,1.50:1 gears, pretty much ready to roll, also have all the brackets for a 454a far as alternator, power steering pump, water pump.....

As for the short shift cable, this is called a shift interrupt system so you can actually shift the outdrive in and out of gear with load on the
Propeller.

I just need to figure out how to get this drive and crap to you...

$1200 and we'll call it square...

What else do you need? Probably have it.. Not on call anymore..

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2013, 10:34:39 PM »
I have your outdrive.

Haven't been by the shop to get a picture for you yet, but its a nice piece, drive shower,1.50:1 gears, pretty much ready to roll, also have all the brackets for a 454a far as alternator, power steering pump, water pump.....

As for the short shift cable, this is called a shift interrupt system so you can actually shift the outdrive in and out of gear with load on the
Propeller.

I just need to figure out how to get this drive and crap to you...

$1200 and we'll call it square...

What else do you need? Probably have it.. Not on call anymore..

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any pix of the drive would be great.  i wouldnt mind driving out there to pick stuff up. 

as far as what im missing, what you see is what i have.   ^-^
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2013, 10:53:40 PM »
For the torque coupler, I would buy new. They don't cost too terribly much and are engine specific to the crank, you will need the studs and nuts though.

I have to look and see what bell housing I have, I can't remember if it an early or a late

Did you get any hardware with the inner transom bracket? Like two fiber washers, two long bolts, two bizarre looking springs?

I have the power steering pump and cooler you need.
I have the crank pulley, belts, alternator bracket (the alternator is on my Carrera motor), belt driven seawater pump, thermostat housing and hoses, basically all the crap from a Mercruiser 454 less torque coupler and alternator, including most of the Thunderbolt V ignition system should you decide to go that route.


An a different note, the shaft for the front of the rams is not a bolt, but has "E" ring clips just like the rear.

The transom assembly I told you I thought I could could get is not available, the guy that has them is in Afghanistan with the Army reserves, thankfully he is only going to move out the US troops  :thumbup: ... Told him to bring me back a well used HUMVEE.   :sly:

My wife may be going to Pasadena in May, I will let you know. (We will likely drive)...

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #54 on: April 18, 2013, 10:55:55 PM »
Almost forgot, you have to use a pilot tool to align the engine to the outdrive, I have this tool and it is a good idea to get it aligned before bolting down the motor mounts...

You are welcome to use the pilot tool as long as I get it back. It should be the only "special" tool you need. ;)
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2013, 01:28:01 PM »
by far the most difficult/painful thing ive ever done boating wise.  some places the wood just falls off, other places its solid as a rock.  used chisels, crowbars, my oscilating saw with a sharpened knife, orbital sander and flat sander.   UGH its finally all clean and flat.  time to cut up some plywood and mix up some epoxy and get this damn transom DONE!


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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2013, 07:14:22 PM »
test fit.  tomorrow it gets epoxied in and tabbed around.   ill router the edges as well to make the corners easier on the glass. 



had to remove the tanks to get the transom in, and what do you know, they're imco's.  one solid piece of aluminum, round and twisted to the contour of the outside of the hull.   its art how these things are made...

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2013, 07:43:39 PM »
How many layers are you going with?  Don't forget this needs to be THICK   O0
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2013, 07:51:49 PM »
How many layers are you going with?  Don't forget this needs to be THICK   O0

3 layers, it'll be just under 2 1/4" when done.  just bolted up right now it already feels like a tank.   according to the interwebs for a mercruiser it needs to be between 2" and 2 1/4" maximum.  which makes sense when i look at the gimbal housing studs.    i have epoxy resin and filler for all the gaps along the bottom, as well as mat, biaxial cloth,  and woven roving.  i got some 2x4's to help spread the load on the bolts, as well as 4 more holes to drill for bolts,  should make a more even "sandwich"
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #59 on: April 19, 2013, 08:02:53 PM »
3 layers, it'll be just under 2 1/4" when done.  just bolted up right now it already feels like a tank.   according to the interwebs for a mercruiser it needs to be between 2" and 2 1/4" maximum.  which makes sense when i look at the gimbal housing studs.    i have epoxy resin and filler for all the gaps along the bottom, as well as mat, biaxial cloth,  and woven roving.  i got some 2x4's to help spread the load on the bolts, as well as 4 more holes to drill for bolts,  should make a more even "sandwich"

Nice...  8)

I always hated doing transoms... Got two to do this month...  :thumbdown:
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Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2013, 08:12:31 PM »
Nice...  8)

I always hated doing transoms... Got two to do this month...  :thumbdown:

yeah its tough work.  this lil guy with the scraper blade made short work of most of the wood that didnt just fall off.  even after trying an impact hammer.  that just made a bunch of noise and didnt do much...

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #61 on: April 20, 2013, 11:43:38 AM »
layer #1 in.  was going to do em all at the same time but with resin and mat it wouldve been a pita.  i at least want the first one to be solid so im gonna wait an hour to let the resin kick especially with the temperatures and i used 205 (fast) hardener.  then ill do last 2 layers, filler in the crevices and start on the floor and bed/tab that in.  it should be a completely different boat after this weekend.  im excited!

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2013, 05:58:16 PM »
layer 2 and 3 in, tabbed in around the edges with 2 layers of mat.  put in start of floor with some 404 filler and epoxy, waiting for it to bond for an hour and then ill tab that into the stringers, the transom, and the sides of the hull.  its starting to look like a boat again!

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2013, 06:40:46 PM »
Nice shelf in the back ground
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2013, 08:13:15 PM »
rest of my progress.  floor is in up to the deck, 2 part epoxy adhesive'd to the stringer and epoxied to the hull on the sides.  ill go over it tomorrow morning with some roving and resin.  transom is happy and tabbed in except for the very bottom, ill attack that tomorrow, epoxy likes to run and i didnt want a giant pool of resin at the bottom. 



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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #65 on: April 21, 2013, 02:41:38 PM »
mid day progress...

this post was brought to you by west systems and bilge kote.





pretty...
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #66 on: April 21, 2013, 04:36:45 PM »
i think im done for the day... id say its pretty damn good progress...

clamp for measurement...



tah dah



other side



hmm lets try this out...



seat is deep enough with a 6 1/2" base under it.  i might do 5" just to make the rear passengers feel a little deeper in the boat.  but then 5" limits the speaker size i can put in it... hrmmm.





leaves me with 39 inches from transom to front of seat.  i wonder if it will fit...



decent legroom still... and 17" between the 2 front seats plenty to slide a cooler inbetween to stash under the deck...



thats all for this weekend... zzz.  off to the movies tonight.
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #67 on: April 21, 2013, 04:45:25 PM »
Looking good, that's a lot of guage holes to fill.
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #68 on: April 21, 2013, 04:47:39 PM »
Looking good, that's a lot of guage holes to fill.

no shit.  they had a hour meter, amps, and a clock.  WHO NEEDS A CLOCK AT THE RIVER?  only time you need to know is if you're out of beer its time to go home clean up and go to the bar.   :screwy:
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #69 on: April 22, 2013, 05:46:31 PM »
got about 400' of wire in today.  they were out of black though. so ill have to pick up more of that.  small gauge wire since I'll be running everything off of relays.



example relay panel:

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #70 on: April 22, 2013, 07:01:35 PM »
how was the handling of that fast hardener? how many squirts in each pot and how long did it take for it to kick?
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #71 on: April 22, 2013, 10:44:19 PM »
how was the handling of that fast hardener? how many squirts in each pot and how long did it take for it to kick?

i do a 1:1 pump wise, and I have a good hour before it starts to get gummy.  then in about 2 hours or so its solid, and in a good 4 hours its fully sandable @ 70* sitting in the sun.  when i used the slow hardener it took a good overnight before the work was hard, plus i got a lot of runs with epoxy resin so the faster kick time helps with the pools in the bottom.
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #72 on: April 24, 2013, 12:35:53 AM »
coat #1 of bilgekote.  This stuff rocks.  but the fumes are intense.

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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #73 on: April 24, 2013, 10:13:26 PM »
where does this part go?



ordered 30ft x 8ft of 20oz grey carpet last night, gaffrig gauges, bilge pumps, bunch of misc odds and ends.  i think the only things left at this point are trim pump, steering pump, throttle, shift, and steering... then upholstery. 
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Re: 21 Bahner I/O project...
« Reply #74 on: April 24, 2013, 10:40:47 PM »
Where did you get the bilge coat? I was thinkin about using bed liner in mine

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