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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #125 on: March 28, 2008, 12:56:53 PM »
talked to sal.....he said hes got 3-4 boats in line after ron's ...so it wont be anytime soon.

talked to kenny at b&k marine....he highly suggests to not gelcoat it....but to paint it with some sort of urethane he suggested. ....reason being is that the metalflake will cause the new gel to crack/flake in time. i remember talking to sal about this as well, but kenny said that he prefers to remove all metalflake completely....(which is a HUGE project)...where sal suggested just sealing over it. When I had talked to Sal about this issue in the past, he had told me they had sent off samples to chemical labs to find out why they were having these issues and found out what was causing it. It had something to do with the wax coating that was on the metal flakes themselves that ate away at the gel over time.  ??? I dont remember, this was well over 1 1/2 years ago.

i have also gotten recommendations to go with guys who work on bigger modern boats....but that idea now makes me uneasy because i dont think the modern guys know the history and issues involved with gelcoating metalflake over old metalflake because its not a daily modern thing they are slapping on $250,000 boats.

so now im torn. I really dont want paint. It will never last as long as gel being a lake boat that will get a lot of abuse.....but I dont want to have to wait 5-6 months to get it back either.....and i dont want someone working on it that doesnt know anything about boats that are pre-'90.
  • Boat #1: 1978 Liberty
  • Boat #2: 1982 Eliminator Sprint
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #126 on: March 28, 2008, 01:01:30 PM »
talked to sal.....he said hes got 3-4 boats in line after ron's ...so it wont be anytime soon.

talked to kenny at b&k marine....he highly suggests to not gelcoat it....but to paint it with some sort of urethane he suggested. ....reason being is that the metalflake will cause the new gel to crack/flake in time. i remember talking to sal about this as well, but kenny said that he prefers to remove all metalflake completely....(which is a HUGE project)...where sal suggested just sealing over it. When I had talked to Sal about this issue in the past, he had told me they had sent off samples to chemical labs to find out why they were having these issues and found out what was causing it. It had something to do with the wax coating that was on the metal flakes themselves that ate away at the gel over time.  ??? I dont remember, this was well over 1 1/2 years ago.

i have also gotten recommendations to go with guys who work on bigger modern boats....but that idea now makes me uneasy because i dont think the modern guys know the history and issues involved with gelcoating metalflake over old metalflake because its not a daily modern thing they are slapping on $250,000 boats.

so now im torn. I really dont want paint. It will never last as long as gel being a lake boat that will get a lot of abuse.....but I dont want to have to wait 5-6 months to get it back either.....and i dont want someone working on it that doesnt know anything about boats that are pre-'90.

You could always paint it yourself in your garage, we all know how well that went over on the last attempt ;D
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #127 on: March 28, 2008, 01:05:46 PM »
I've been hearing from lots of folks to just use paint . The consences is that there is paint out there that is very durable these days . Hell Billy B sold his jet boat not too long ago that had a 20 year old paint job and it looked reeeeeaaaallll good . I'm just sayin .

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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #128 on: March 28, 2008, 01:38:57 PM »
whats the diffference in price, maybe you could pay for some unexpected things(new hoses, wiring etc) with whats left over
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #129 on: March 28, 2008, 01:54:33 PM »
A couple of years ago Sal had a early 70's boat in the shop that had just been painted with a heavy metalflake. It looked great, but the owner changed his mind and wanted gel. So paint can look as good as gel. The main reasons I go with gel is because when we go on vacation my boat will stay in the water for up to 2 weeks. Paint sitting in water for that long scares me. I had a paint price that was as high as Sal's gel price and gel prices 2 to 4 grand more than that.
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #130 on: March 28, 2008, 02:20:56 PM »
Arent cars all over this great nation cover in (oh my god , dare I say) PAINT !  :-X People dont take care of there cars and the paint holds up . I'm just sayin .....

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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #131 on: March 28, 2008, 02:23:47 PM »
I gotta agree with Omar here Brad, there are some excellent paints out there these days, not to mention the clearcoat, if you're worried about the paint getting jacked up, lay on a little more clear than you need, the shit is tough as nails when it needs to be. I had Brendalla Boats tell me NOT to regel a boat, said something about shrinkage or warpage or some shit. Go with the paint, I know a couple of kick ass painters I can refer you to.

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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #132 on: March 28, 2008, 02:29:47 PM »
Arent cars all over this great nation cover in (oh my god , dare I say) PAINT !  :-X People dont take care of there cars and the paint holds up . I'm just sayin .....

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when was the last time you beached your car on a sand bar? had someone who didnt know any better drag a cooler across the hood....walked on the hood with sandy shoes....bounced it off a dock....etc....yeah, gel isnt indestructible, but it handles the abuse much better. This gel lasted 30+ years (its nearing 40 years old) ....I would like it to last another 30 if not more.

this is a family boat that will see massive amounts of abuse. i guarantee that any paint will not last 2 seasons.
  • Boat #1: 1978 Liberty
  • Boat #2: 1982 Eliminator Sprint
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #133 on: March 28, 2008, 02:35:03 PM »
when was the last time you beached your car on a sand bar? had someone who didnt know any better drag a cooler across the hood....walked on the hood with sandy shoes....bounced it off a dock....etc....yeah, gel isnt indestructible, but it handles the abuse much better. This gel lasted 30+ years (its nearing 40 years old) ....I would like it to last another 30 if not more.

this is a family boat that will see massive amounts of abuse. i guarantee that any paint will not last 2 seasons.
It will happen .  :-\ unfortunatly

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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #134 on: March 28, 2008, 03:17:37 PM »
when was the last time you beached your car on a sand bar? had someone who didnt know any better drag a cooler across the hood....walked on the hood with sandy shoes....bounced it off a dock....etc....yeah, gel isnt indestructible, but it handles the abuse much better. This gel lasted 30+ years (its nearing 40 years old) ....I would like it to last another 30 if not more.

this is a family boat that will see massive amounts of abuse. i guarantee that any paint will not last 2 seasons.

If anyone does any of the above shit to my boat, I'll see to it that there WILL NOT be a repeat performance.
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #135 on: March 28, 2008, 03:29:53 PM »
If anyone does any of the above shit to my boat, I'll see to it that there WILL NOT be a repeat performance.

I still don't think any of you understand the scale of the abuse this boat will see...

Kyle has 3 sisters with 4 nieces/nephews with all of them being under 3 years old. This is the family boat that will be used by all.
  • Boat #1: 1978 Liberty
  • Boat #2: 1982 Eliminator Sprint
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #136 on: March 28, 2008, 03:36:08 PM »
Not knocking on Gel in the least here.

But paint when applied "correctly" can be VERY strong.

I could go into details why...

Here is a quad I ride with every now and then. This bike gets sand blasted, rocks thrown at it, riding wear and tons of things. It's not in perfect condition like it was new, but still holds up awesome. And I have several pictures of boats that either my father or I had painted, that has held up for 10+ years some of them.

This paint even flex's due to being on plastic. Just an example



If you could save money by painting, and is getting painted by someone that knows what to do to boats, then I would go for it IMHO
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #137 on: March 28, 2008, 03:36:38 PM »
This would be when Kyle tells his sisters what kind of behavior is deemed UNACCEPTABLE, be it by them or thier crumb snatchers, if they can't abide by the rules then they don't get to go on the boat. Am I missing something? Proper behavior is learned, that's the parent's job, to teach the kids, if they don't learn, they don't boat.
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #138 on: March 28, 2008, 03:43:56 PM »
This would be when Kyle tells his sisters what kind of behavior is deemed UNACCEPTABLE, be it by them or thier crumb snatchers, if they can't abide by the rules then they don't get to go on the boat. Am I missing something? Proper behavior is learned, that's the parent's job, to teach the kids, if they don't learn, they don't boat.

I think you might have gone a bit beyond what i was implying.

I am not implying that its going to be destroyed by kids who have no respect for peoples property...i feel that kyles sisters will take the best of care of it because they have been around boats their entire lives as well.....but its just common logic....it will see a lot more normal wear n tear then any of our boats will when you're sharing it across 4 families.
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  • Boat #2: 1982 Eliminator Sprint
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #139 on: March 28, 2008, 03:47:03 PM »
ok, didn't realize it would be a shared situation, my bad. All that aside, I still think you could put a tough as nails paint job on it and it'd be fine. Bring me a Coors prospect  ;D
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #140 on: March 28, 2008, 03:49:03 PM »
Bring me a Coors prospect  ;D

he really needs to come to parker...
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #141 on: March 28, 2008, 04:07:56 PM »
he really needs to come to parker...

I was talking about you! If you left right now, we could hit The Mint by 9:30. Marc, go pick him up and roll.
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #142 on: March 28, 2008, 04:36:34 PM »
I was talking about you! If you left right now, we could hit The Mint by 9:30. Marc, go pick him up and roll.

wait...how did i become a prospect? is that even possible? i guess we all start somewhere lol

anyways, that sounds tempting, but i gotta finish ralphs interior and im gunna go hang out with him and his pops tomorrow for a bit.
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #143 on: March 28, 2008, 04:42:12 PM »
That sounds like a good day to me, two of the most stand up guys I've met, can't be a bad day.
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #144 on: March 28, 2008, 05:19:38 PM »
That sounds like a good day to me, two of the most stand up guys I've met, can't be a bad day.
thanks Skip, you coming out to brocks tomarrow? i'll be there about 10:30/11:00
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #145 on: March 28, 2008, 06:07:19 PM »
thanks Skip, you coming out to brocks tomarrow? i'll be there about 10:30/11:00

yessir, be there about 11 ish. be good to see you
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #146 on: June 11, 2008, 09:57:00 AM »
its official. finally makin a motion on this project! kyle took it in this morning and got a quote and made an appointment for gelcoat at oc boat repair. it goes in on the 28th and will take 6-8 weeks.
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #147 on: June 11, 2008, 10:06:51 AM »
its official. finally makin a motion on this project! kyle took it in this morning and got a quote and made an appointment for gelcoat at oc boat repair. it goes in on the 28th and will take 6-8 weeks.

Would it be too much to ask about how much coin for a gelcoat job??
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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #148 on: June 11, 2008, 10:09:05 AM »
Would it be too much to ask about how much coin for a gelcoat job??

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Re: Project Wriedt Stinger
« Reply #149 on: July 12, 2008, 07:53:12 AM »
The boat has been at OC Boat Repair for 2 weeks now....I wonder how its doin.
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