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Brad @ SCJB

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Comp Jet is Back!
« on: November 05, 2007, 12:07:39 PM »
The SCSC got approval to run Comp Jet as a local class for a probationary 1 year. If all goes well, it will be brought back as a national class under the APBA Inboard Committee. Nostalgia Jet will continue as scheduled.

The first Comp Jet race will be held at the 61st annual Thanksgiving Regatta at the Bluewater Casino in Parker, AZ on November 23rd and 24th. (Friday and Saturday)

The rules will be as follows:

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APBA Competition Jet Rules


1)   Required:  Minimum of 4 Boats.
2)   All Competition Jet Drivers will qualify according to Rule 11 of the APBA Inboard Racing rules.
3)   Any equipment or modification to hull, engine or jet not specifically prohibited will be allowed.
4)   Any type of design hull will be allowed as long as it is safely constructed.  Minimum length overall will be sixteen (16) feet.  Maximum length overall including pump and extension shall be twenty-four (24) feet.  Minimum beam overall shall be six (6) feet.
5)   Boats to be in safety compliance, per APBA specified rules.  Safety inspections are mandatory and boats must be in mechanically sound condition and pass required APBA safety rules.
6)   Power will be supplied by one (1) U.S. built automotive or light truck engine with a maximum displacement of 515 cu. in.  Cylinder block is limited to cast iron, aluminum cylinder heads are optional.
a.   Engine must be naturally aspirated.
b.   Engine must be mounted forward of the jet drive.
c.   Fuel will be restricted to gasoline of the type regularly available for automotive, marine or aviation use.  The use of any other gases, liquids or any fuel additive substance by any means of induction into the engine is prohibited.
d.   Throttle cables to have return springs and safety clamps or ties to ensure throttle operation at all times.
e.   The driver and/or crew must be seated forward of the engine.
7)   Jet drives - intake adapter, impeller housing, impeller, shaft and bowl must be the product of an approved manufacturer and be available as specified by the CJ Technical Committee.  Other parts may be of any design or manufacturer.
a.   Single jet drive only.
b.   Impeller and impeller housing to be mounted above the keel.
c.   No Jet-a-Way or drive line guard required.
d.   Must be equipped with a turning rudder that extends at least four (4) inches below the lowest point of the jet nozzle and have a minimum surface area of sixteen (16) inches.
e.   Jet-O-Vater or Place Diverter adjustable nozzles may be used.  A Diverter stop is required and the rooster tail is not to exceed 4'-5' off the water, this also includes fixed nozzle boats.  Diverter shall remain in the full down position at all times in or near pit area or launch ramps until safely on the racecourse.  Failure to do so will result in a one (1)-lap penalty.
f.   A through bolted loader must be securely attached using four (4) - 5/16" or larger black oxide grade 8 bolts.
8)   Kill Switch are required.  All boats will be equipped with a positive safety switch that will break the ignition circuit in the event the driver is thrown from the boat and the switch will be properly attached to the driver prior to the starting of the engine.  A break or the release must not be more than ten (10) pounds pull maximum.
9)   All Drivers and Riders must be members of APBA and provide proof of a certified FAA or DOT physical.
10)   Certified Life Jackets and Helmets must be worn.  Helmet and Jacket including Helmet Restraints must meet APBA rule, (ii) For participants in open and unrestrained cockpits, the upper fifty percent (50%) of the helmet must be neon, florescent, red, orange, yellow, or international orange, and meet current certification.
11)   All drivers must wear long durable pants and a long sleeve shirt.  It is recommended that drivers wear a full length, one or two-piece, 1 layered driving suit.
12)    All safety equipment MUST be worn properly per manufacturers specified instructions.  Failure to do so will be disqualification for that heat race.
13)   All boats and trailers will be numbered as per APBA specified rules and start with CJ.
14)   Infraction/Penalties, Entry fees, and local membership fee's will be established by the affiliated race site club.
15)   Class will be governed by APBA Inboard Racing rules as applicable.


Many thanks to everyone involved who worked together to make this happen.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2007, 12:10:48 PM by Brad @ SoCalJetBoats.com »
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2007, 12:18:12 PM »
sounds cool brad. You're making me wish I never sold my jet with all this racing stuff you guys have going on.....
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2007, 12:19:14 PM »
sounds cool brad. You're making me wish I never sold my jet with all this racing stuff you guys have going on.....

build another!  ;)
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2007, 12:23:37 PM »
This is going to awesome!! I can't wait!!
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2007, 12:50:23 PM »
just bring horse power :o
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2007, 12:58:36 PM »
Sounds like it's gonna be a blast, no more MPH limits?
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2007, 01:03:10 PM »
Sounds like it's gonna be a blast, no more MPH limits?

Nostalgia Jet will still have a MPH limit.
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2007, 01:12:53 PM »
just bring horse power :o

I was stating from a spectator stand point.
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Taco'd "a person or people that show up with one lake lice and a family of 50 and cram 3 people at a time on it with no disregard to boating rules or ethics. Usualy crap in toilets and throw shit paper in trash cans. Hang out at the boat ramp like its a swimming hole. Have zero insurance on anything they own and dont give two shits less about your property."

bottom feeder

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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2007, 06:53:00 PM »
Brad,
I am building a boat for this class and have a question on rule #7. What are the "must be the product of an approved manufacturer and be available as specified by the CJ Technical Committee."

The hull I am planing on runing has the intake fabricated into the hull. The rest of the pump is off the shelf AMT stuff with some slight mods. I will not be running a diverter ;D

Thank you and best regards
Brian
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2007, 08:22:16 PM »
well, since there isnt a 'CJ Committee' (to be voted upon)...I really dont know who is to say if it is ok to run or not. I am going to assume how far off from a manufacturer design you go would be the deciding factor.

I am also going to assume youre making an aluminum boat...and the last comment about the diverter has the wheels in my head turning.

Reguarless, I am excited you patato boys are coming down here to get beat by the socal crew  >:D  ;D  ;)
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2007, 08:31:07 PM »
Is it something like this?



So the fiberglass vs. aluminum war should get interesting!  >:D >:D >:D
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2007, 08:44:27 PM »
It should be no problem for you So Cal boys. We are at great disadvantage. Lets see No loader, No skag, No intake fins, No diverter, and a tunnel (everyone knows they dont turn) Yep you will have me covered.

Never had much use for a diverter on a race boat. As you can see the size and shape of the intake is the same as a standard dominator piece. just sucks to weld cast ;D
« Last Edit: November 05, 2007, 08:47:31 PM by bottom feeder »
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2007, 08:46:48 PM »
Reguarless, I am excited you patato boys are coming down here to get beat by the socal crew  >:D  ;D  ;)

Wow that is a pritty confident statement being there are three cjs here in AZ
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2007, 08:48:22 PM »
It should be no problem for you So Cal boys. We are at great disadvantage. Lets see No loader, No skag, No intake fins, No diverter, and a tunnel (everyone knows they dont turn) Yep you will have me covered.

Hmm sounds like someone's trying to swindle us  ;D
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2007, 08:50:21 PM »
Whats up Jim. All you guys "down river" run hard.
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2007, 08:50:34 PM »
It should be no problem for you So Cal boys. We are at great disadvantage. Lets see No loader, No skag, No intake fins, No diverter, and a tunnel (everyone knows they dont turn) Yep you will have me covered.

Never had much use for a diverter on a race boat. As you can see the size and shape of the intake is the same as a standard dominator piece. just sucks to weld cast ;D
Brian, as far as the intake it is legal basically at this time. You will have to run a rudder (7d).
Ant to the rest of your post, Yah Right ! ::)
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2007, 08:55:36 PM »
I dont think the rudder will slow me down much  :o And look at the rest your advantage is huge!! I think i should get a bit of a spot on the start say like 10 lengths
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2007, 08:58:04 PM »
I dont think the rudder will slow me down much  :o And look at the rest your advantage is huge!! I think i should get a bit of a spot on the start say like 10 lengths
I am sure you will do just fine
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2007, 08:59:31 PM »
Not trying to swindle anyone. Just looking forward to running around in circles. It is all about fun and having a boat I can race agin.
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2007, 09:02:14 PM »
O yea we are going to have to talk about a weight break. Who is that fat F@&!er LOL. Had a good time helping. How is the family?

Your daughter needs a ride tin can style
« Last Edit: November 05, 2007, 09:06:14 PM by bottom feeder »
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2007, 09:02:57 PM »
I dont think the rudder will slow me down much  :o And look at the rest your advantage is huge!! I think i should get a bit of a spot on the start say like 10 lengths

Oh ok so now we're doing racing like "Pinks" ?  ;D

Should be interesting mixing it up!
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2007, 04:54:21 PM »
THOSE FORKS LOOK DOWN RIGHT DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2007, 05:02:08 PM »
THOSE FORKS LOOK DOWN RIGHT DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's why the object is to stay IN the boat  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2007, 07:51:06 AM »
That aint no boat! Thats a pickle fork waterski with a motor!
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Re: Comp Jet is Back!
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2007, 01:19:57 PM »
Just for the record.....since there is much confusion over the 'rookie' rule (I have gotten a few calls and PM's about it).....The above posted rules for Comp Jet state the following:

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2)   All Competition Jet Drivers will qualify according to Rule 11 of the APBA Inboard Racing rules.


Here is Rule 11 of the APBA Inboard Rules:

RULE 11 - DRIVER QUALIFICATIONS:

11.1 Inboard racing members who intend to drive racing boats and inboard riding mechanics must submit a statement of good health, certified by either a licensed FAA or D.O.T. physician. The original or a photocopy of this current FAA Class I, II or III, or D.O.T. medical certificate, with no waivers except for corrective lenses, must be sent to APBA headquarters with membership application. Along with the above the new APBA Inboard Physical form may be used. This form is available at the Inboard website www.goboatracing.net or on request from the Inboard office. If corrective lenses are listed on the medical certificate, they must be used in competition. Any of the above stated medical certificates will remain current from date on said certificate until 12:00am of the second anniversary of the physical.

11.2 If an individual prefers to apply for his membership at the regatta site or if he prefers to apply for a one-day membership, the same requirements given above must be met; however, the Scorer will have the responsibility of sending the medical certificate or photocopy to APBA Headquarters with the membership application. APBA will make and keep a copy on file at headquarters and send the original back to the member with his APBA racing cards. Filing false or incorrect medical certificates shall be sufficient cause for suspension of the driver for two years from all APBA racing. Any driver found competing without a current physical shall be fined $100.00 and shall sacrifice all points earned back to that date where a current physical can be shown. Proof shall be the responsibility of the driver.

11.2.1 Canadian residents can submit proof of their CBF physical and membership forms along with their APBA application and waive the required FAA, D.O.T. or Inboard physical. Canadians who are not members of CBF must still provide an FAA, D.O.T. or Inboard medical certificate.

11.3 A new driver is any APBA Inboard member in good standing who has never driven a registered APBA Inboard boat in closed course competition. New drivers shall be designated “Unqualified Rookie” until all provisions of these rules have been met. After completion of these qualification requirements, a new driver shall be designated “Qualified Rookie” for the remainder of his first season.

11.3.1 A new driver or unqualified rookie may run qualifying heats during the UIM World Championships, APBA Summer Nationals, APBA Divisional Championships or APBA North American Championships, following referee instruction, to obtain the necessary heats to become a qualified driver, but will not be eligible to advance to the final. However, if there is a need to fill the field, the boat will be eligible to compete in the final with a qualified driver.

11.3.2 New drivers will be issued white paper cards with provisions on the reverse side for referees’ signatures.

11.3.3 New drivers must be given a written open book examination, followed by an oral review of said examination by the referee or an Inboard Commissioner. He shall show knowledge of course safety and racing rules before being approved to enter the race course. At each race during their rookie season, all new drivers and Rookies shall present themselves to the referee, and shall be introduced at each driver’s meeting as a rookie driver.

11.3.4
New drivers shall tape or paint a one inch (1”) wide white cross on their helmet for a period of one calendar year. The cross shall extend from the front, up over the top of the helmet to the back rim of the helmet, and from left ear, up over the top of the helmet to the right ear. Rookie drivers in reinforced cockpits, whose helmets are not readily visible, must put the rookie “X” on the cockpit or canopy as near the driver’s head as possible, without obstructing his vision. The “X” may be taped or painted on and must be at least 12” long and 1” wide on both sides of the hull in a color strongly contrasting the color behind it.

11.4 New drivers are considered legal starters of the class.

11.4.1 A new driver shall run four heats, starting at the rear of the pack and advancing only to a position predetermined by the referee. After successfully completing the first 4-heat requirement, a new driver shall run four (4) additional heats advancing only to a position predetermined by the referee. The new driver may only start in the farthest outside position during these heats. To become fully qualified to race, the new driver must get signatures from four (4) qualified drivers in his/her class and at least one referee he/she has raced under. Any driver new to the Jersey Speed Skiff class must complete a minimum of ten (10) heats on the outside - eight heats as described above with the remaining two heats to be run on the outside.

11.4.2 Drivers already qualified, but who desire to drive in the 2.5 Liter Mod, National Modified, Grand National Hydroplane or Pro Stock classes; or who move from a hydroplane class to a runabout class, or vice versa; or who have been inactive for more than twenty-four (24) calendar months; must re qualify as follows;

• Shall run two (2) heats starting from the farthest outside position, advancing only to a position predetermined by the referee; and three qualified drivers from the 2.5 Liter Mod, National Modified, Grand National Hydroplane or Pro Stock classes designated by the referee, will also observe and give their opinion to the referee.

11.5 In those classes where more stringent driver qualification rules have been approved, the class rules shall prevail.

11.6 Injured drivers returning to competition must present a medical doctor’s certification as to their physical and psychological fitness to race.
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