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« **on:** June 07, 2008, 05:09:08 PM »

Brad saw you running the boat today. Boat sounded good when it wasn't popping...Hope all is okay.

« **Reply #1 on:** June 07, 2008, 05:11:05 PM »

Quote from: Brendellajet on June 07, 2008, 05:09:08 PM

Brad saw you running the boat today. Boat sounded good when it wasn't popping...Hope all is okay.

yeah, ralph and i were out there tryin to put a tune on it but no matter what we did, it just got worse.

now im debating even taking it to parker next weekend. $:-\$

« **Reply #2 on:** June 07, 2008, 05:22:44 PM »

Quote from: Brad @ SoCalJetBoats.com on June 07, 2008, 05:11:05 PM

yeah, ralph and i were out there tryin to put a tune on it but no matter what we did, it just got worse.

now im debating even taking it to parker next weekend. $:-\$

Do you have any idea of what thats alll about? Carb, timing , Combination?

Sorry to hear that man, that really sucks.......

2sav

« **Reply #3 on:** June 07, 2008, 05:31:07 PM »

we jetted it up....jetted it down....played with the timing....even put the carb off ralphs liberty on there....it would just spit and sputter past 3.5k...then would clean out.

everything points to floating valves OTHER then the fact it cleans out if you keep your foot in it longer then 3-5 seconds....if it was valves, it would never clean out.

sounds like its getting flooded, right...but its running way lean.....make it fatter and it does the same damn thing.

any way we went with it, it just ran like crap. period.

got nothing acomplished today out there other then chasing our tails. im beyond frustrated, embarrased and fed up. i just want this shit to work.

« **Reply #4 on:** June 07, 2008, 05:42:27 PM »

Maybe a little to early to say, but maybe that stroker motor is in order here

Atleast that way you know what you have going on in there........ Either way you will get it figured out

I dont know whats worse, no motor or a new motor that runs like shit

2sav

« **Reply #5 on:** June 07, 2008, 05:58:20 PM »

How are the power valves? I assume its a double pumper...? Make any changes right before this started happening?

« **Reply #6 on:** June 07, 2008, 06:03:44 PM »

Quote from: Brendellajet on June 07, 2008, 05:58:20 PM

How are the power valves? I assume its a double pumper...? Make any changes right before this started happening?

its a brand new quick fuel technologies 850ct (mech dp)...power valves seem to be fine...i inspected them for tears.

when the secondaries kick in, it takes the initial squirt then blubbers out.

it runs great on the trailer.....it only does it under load.

« **Reply #7 on:** June 07, 2008, 06:14:05 PM »

some pics

bob wrenchin on my shiat

« **Reply #8 on:** June 07, 2008, 06:15:27 PM »

If its new from Quick Fuel maybe they can help out. Could be plugs crossfiring...Eliminate all the stupid stuff...You could post something up in PB "on the dyno"...Needs another good thread in there.

« **Reply #9 on:** June 07, 2008, 07:37:56 PM »

Sorry to hear that Brad, I didn't realize the extent of your problems. Hell I don't think you were even drinking when I stopped by. You'll get figured out I'm sure.

« **Reply #10 on:** June 07, 2008, 07:53:33 PM »

im not a master on boats, but i know a little something on carbs. your float could be set to high, or if the floats right but the float bounces you might want to look in to a new needle and seat, that are for offroad applications. im not sure the parts that will fit in your carb, but the one for a holley are about $28 each. i have them in my 650 dp

hope this helps. pics look good looked a little busy since the last time i was there

The Beav

« **Reply #11 on:** June 07, 2008, 08:19:00 PM »

Quote from: Beaveretriever on June 07, 2008, 07:53:33 PM

im not a master on boats, but i know a little something on carbs. your float could be set to high, or if the floats right but the float bounces you might want to look in to a new needle and seat, that are for offroad applications. im not sure the parts that will fit in your carb, but the one for a holley are about $28 each. i have them in my 650 dp

hope this helps. pics look good looked a little busy since the last time i was there

The Beav

i thought about the float thing, because, when the boat hits a real big roller and comes down it flubbers pretty bad. Now that being said, we put my carb off my boat on his and it did the same thing. my carb back on my boat no problem what so ever.

im starting to think or have been thinking its harmonics with the valve springs, but it just acts like its fat,popping out the exhaust. im stumped $:-\$

« **Reply #12 on:** June 07, 2008, 08:27:34 PM »

does the motor have a coil? sometimes if the coil is going bad it will not deliver the full bang of the coil, and it will studder really bad under load, but once the motor doesnt have alot of load it clears up.

« **Reply #13 on:** June 07, 2008, 08:35:33 PM »

Quote from: Beaveretriever on June 07, 2008, 08:27:34 PM

does the motor have a coil? sometimes if the coil is going bad it will not deliver the full bang of the coil, and it will studder really bad under load, but once the motor doesnt have alot of load it clears up.

good point, but, new coil and all new msd ignition system, did the same thing before with my msd system in it

« **Reply #14 on:** June 07, 2008, 08:40:03 PM »

my MSD system has a coil and the box. you could have an intake leak somewhere if the motor sounds fat but is running lean. But i believe it to be a coil or even wires, all of that stuff will sputter under load and not when there is no load. Just my .02

« **Reply #15 on:** June 07, 2008, 08:44:41 PM »

I know what the problem is! It's a FORD!

« **Reply #16 on:** June 07, 2008, 09:25:59 PM »

Ouch Nick. Thats gonna leave a mark. Thanks Brad for letting me tag along today. Even though the boat runs like crap for a few seconds I had a great time. Thanks Ralph for letting me get beind the wheel of the family boat. That thing runs like a bat out o hell. Dont get too frusterated Brad...we'll get it figured out.

Bob

« **Reply #17 on:** June 07, 2008, 09:41:57 PM »

Your problems sound just like problems I used to have and both reasons were covered. First time it was a brand new coil. Worked about 1-2 hrs then started acting like that. The valves might also not be closing correctly or at incorrect times? Has it always acted like that from 1st fire? Maybe the cam is off? When my valves floated and hit pistons bending them a little I got the exact same kind of run, right down to the poping in the exhaust. Did you check compression and vacuum? Obviously I am no expert, I just wanted to share ideas and past experiences I had and my solutions. Good Luck, I am sure you will pin it down.

« **Reply #18 on:** June 07, 2008, 11:15:31 PM »

Hey guys I am not an expert either, but thot I would throw in my .02, Ralph you were sayin about the rollers and coming down and sputtering, bein on the water and gasin it and it would be ok for a little, and on the trailer is ok, well to me sounds like maybe an electrical short somewhere. When the boat is stable to a degree everything seems to be fine, when being bounced around not so, at least from what you guys have been describing Just my .02 guys Good luck Brad

« **Reply #19 on:** June 07, 2008, 11:43:45 PM »

Quote

Ouch Nick. Thats gonna leave a mark.

Im just teasing him!

« **Reply #20 on:** June 08, 2008, 12:17:16 AM »

I'm just going to throw this out there because only Ford seem to have this problem, thats not a Ford dig by the way.

I think what you may be experiencing is valve guide bind, the only inconsistant part is the rollers and that could be due to subtle throttle fluctuations, when it cleans out, does it stay clean? and how consistant is that 3500 rpm ceiling.

The other possibility is a bad ignition switch or electrical to the ignition system, like a fuse holder or terminal causing a voltage drop to the box, at certain RPM could vibrate at that perfect frequeny. To rule this out just use a jumper for a quik run and see if the problem goes away.

Sorry to hear about the problems, this kind can be very frustrating.

BTW if I was going to do a Ford dig, it would be "hey the distributor is in the wrong end of the engine!"

Good luck!

« **Reply #21 on:** June 08, 2008, 01:00:12 AM »

Quote from: GT Jets on June 08, 2008, 12:17:16 AM

The other possibility is a bad ignition switch or electrical to the ignition system, like a fuse holder or terminal causing a voltage drop to the box, at certain RPM could vibrate at that perfect frequeny. To rule this out just use a jumper for a quik run and see if the problem goes away.

I agree, sounds like an electrical problem. When you make the jumper wires, do power and ground to the batt. If it works fine than the fun starts

. Leave the power to the batt and put the ground back where you had it and try again (rules out a ground problem). You also have somekind of safty killswitch in there right? Check everything ! This will take some time to find, you need to bypass each component one at a time and try again until it works.

btw , if I remember right you had some problems with gauges not working correctly, right ?? might be related.

« **Reply #22 on:** June 08, 2008, 07:01:03 AM »

all good points, and i beleive that chasing electrical would be easier than removing the cyl heads. so we/he should try that first.

« **Reply #23 on:** June 08, 2008, 07:19:13 AM »

Brad if the heads are bad, i have two sets that came off running motors. You can borrow till you get yours fix't.I DONT WANT TO SELL THEM.(rivertard).

« **Reply #24 on:** June 08, 2008, 07:22:34 AM »

Brad are these the heads that had the sled rockers on them ? do these heads have the same valves ? Where heads changed when valve train was changed to rollers? Have you down a leak down test ? I think you have valve problems. I will get shit dumped on me for this but I don't give A shit The last time I asked a question like this Beerjet jumped on my ass And I still never got an ffffk answer . I have been doing heads for over 55 years I don't use 69cent
guide liner I don't use stones Leave that to masters Rolling Stones Don't have to lap my seats
Don't use IOUX Grinder GOOd for tee pee poles and tom hacks, Have $500.00 for any one to
grind 16 valves and re index on old three ball chuck and cone head. That is why Snap on through old three ball & cone head all in junk should have been done 40 years ago (now they use accuchuck stan saved them) Dam Vodka makes me mean! Hope you get it going Brad. And check thoes heads out to I think it will run better any.

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