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GeneralLee

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Jet vs v drive
« on: May 10, 2014, 08:13:06 PM »
Hey fellas been on here for a while and I've tried searching for a topic like this on here but nothing came up so here it goes...

So far all I've owned was a jet boat but believe it or not I'm starting to sway towards a v drive more and more. I don't do lakes all I do is big river in parker. Most people so far told me to stay away from v drives if I'm going to be using it on the river only. Not sure why nobody can give me a good enough explanation.

What are your guys thoughts on a flatty v drive at the river. I don't care about not having rear seats cause it's just the wife and I. All I want to do is put to a beach and make do some hot laps towards the end of the day.

Some pros and cons are greatly appreciated. Like I said I'm only hitting the river no lakes. So pros and cons on the river, maintenance, money spent on a v drive compared to jet to make her go fast lol. Etc. You guys get the idea.



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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2014, 08:23:01 PM »
I've driven a few. I don't like it because it's too much to do with the down peddle and lock out.
Plus no backwards gear. Idk, it's cool if your into that sort of thing 😲🚤💨💨💨👍👍👍👎👎👎


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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2014, 08:26:58 PM »
I've driven a few. I don't like it because it's too much to do with the down peddle and lock out.
Plus no backwards gear. Idk, it's cool if your into that sort of thing 😲🚤💨💨💨👍👍👍👎👎👎


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Believe me I'm not into that sort of thing that's why I posted this. I have no idea about v drives. Don't some casale or however you spell it, drives have a reverese??? I'm just concerned about the depth of the water at the river on a v drive...maintenance,  cost on v drive vs a pump.



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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2014, 08:34:10 PM »
A flat bottom at the lake will beat you too death.
Water is generally smoother at the river.
There is a ton of hardware in a flat, chain and cable steering, down pedals, transmission, v drive.
More than allot of people care to deal with.
Yet faster and more efficient than a jet.
At least that's how I see it.

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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2014, 08:38:29 PM »
Yes some v-drive boxes have reverse but reverse in a v-drive is pretty much pointless since the steering rudder sits behind the prop or in front of while going in reverse.v drives are much more expensive especially since they are kind of like a show piece.
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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2014, 08:40:03 PM »
I have a free hull with title and a good start on parts the i will sell.
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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2014, 09:14:16 PM »
More to maintain. More to rig. More to climb over.  I love my outdrive but the jet was nice in simplicity.  I must say... Having a true neutral is amazing.

I'd love to have a transmission in front of my out drive to keep Rpms lower...
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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2014, 10:14:13 PM »
Having owned jets, I/O's and vee drives, you will have the most fun in the vee drive hands down.

Some things to consider.. Just comparing it to a jet.

1. You cannot remove the motor, rebuild the drive , throw the motor back in in a weekend, you can with a jet.

2. You simply cannot beach a vee drive.

3. if you find a sand bar with a vee drive, you just spent in excess of $2500

4. Not just anybody can hop in and drive a vee drive. So you are in essence, the designated driver. There are way too many ways to screw up huge in a vee drive.

5. When they break, they break big.

6. Plan on at least 10 times the maintenance.

7. Believe it or not, they are more crude and chunky than they seem. Not a lot of creature comfort.

8. A flatbottom will give you a flat bottom... They ride like crap even in a small chop.


On the positive side, they're great to ski behind and sip fuel when cruising.

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GeneralLee

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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2014, 10:50:03 PM »
Wow a lot of things to consider. Bottom line maintenance is a bit higher then jet but as long as you don't mess up they cruise with a lot less gas and they haul a** with less money dumped into then a jet. There is the space issue of course which I'm not worried about cause I don't have kids nor do I want any. Couldn't come close to a beach or beach up like a jet of course. I'm back to square one lol. In your guys opinion what could make my decision easier??? Besides the points that have been mentioned cause it's 50/50 again.



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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2014, 10:54:43 PM »
Wow a lot of things to consider. Bottom line maintenance is a bit higher then jet but as long as you don't mess up they cruise with a lot less gas and they haul a** with less money dumped into then a jet. There is the space issue of course which I'm not worried about cause I don't have kids nor do I want any. Couldn't come close to a beach or beach up like a jet of course. I'm back to square one lol. In your guys opinion what could make my decision easier??? Besides the points that have been mentioned cause it's 50/50 again.



Where did that come from?

 I could build two VERY nice jet boats with the drive train from one flat bottom...  :screwy:

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beerjet

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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2014, 11:03:18 PM »
Bottom line maintenance is a bit higher then jet but as long as you don't mess up they cruise with a lot less gas and they haul a** with less money dumped into then a jet.


No.

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ka0tyk

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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2014, 12:21:10 AM »
if you throw enough money at anything it will be quick...

but ive been in a fast nitrous jet, and it was nothing like being in a flatbottom vdrive.  crazy fast...  :screwy:  but getting it to that point is no easy task. 
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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2014, 01:27:19 AM »
Ok...let me try this again then...If you take a flat bottom and a comparable jet boat hull throw the same amount of money at it let's say 10k which is more reliable and of course faster?



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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2014, 01:28:58 AM »
Bare with me fellas I read numerous posts on other sites but nothing answered my questions so where better to ask then here...km just gonna go question by question then if you guys don't mind.



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GeneralLee

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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2014, 01:33:52 AM »
I'm assuming a jet is easier to drive and a lot more practical then a v drive by practical I mean space wise and not that many pedals and of course getting as close to the beach as possible hehe. Am I getting close with my guess?



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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2014, 03:14:51 AM »
I've owned 2 v-drives before. Never had any issues as far as break downs or mechanical failures in either of them. Some have reserve and it works just fine only problem is you usually have to shut the engine off before you shift into reverse then fire it back up.

And yes ask anyone who has owned a few v-drives and they will tell you it cost much less to go fast in a v-drive. Jet boats are incredibly inefficient when compared to a v-drive. You can swap out the gears in the drive, change props etc...

I bought a 1972 flat bottom sanger years ago. It had a punched out 350 small block with a crane blue racer cam and corvette heads on it and I hit 82 mph. Can't imagine what a big rat motor would have been like in it.

The ride can get pretty rough when your in a flatty but its not terrible, you gotta weigh out the pros and cons. If you find a solid v-drive you'll spend way less in gas, go faster and imo have better handling but you'll sacrifice roominess, a rooster tail and you run the risk of being out $3k if you hit any rocks or sand bars.

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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2014, 09:54:43 AM »
Ok...let me try this again then...If you take a flat bottom and a comparable jet boat hull throw the same amount of money at it let's say 10k which is more reliable and of course faster?


Flat bottom jet vs true flat?
V bottom jet vs v bottom v drive?
Apple's and oranges.
other than floating, at almost no point are they comparable.
A motorless flat bottom hull is at least double the cost of a motorless jet hull.
Right off the bat it's one sided and you're not even talking about power yet.
10k how?
New motor?
Used blower motor?
Does the flat have a trans?
It's all a moot point if you ask me.

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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2014, 10:29:35 AM »

Ok...let me try this again then...If you take a flat bottom and a comparable jet boat hull throw the same amount of money at it let's say 10k which is more reliable and of course faster?


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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2014, 10:42:54 AM »
The only difference of running a jet or a v drive on the river is how shallow the water gets the cost of running a v drive or a jet v drive cost less to run maintenance on v drive is more money just in a different areas but whatever you pick have fun

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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2014, 10:47:00 AM »
This is good stuff since new job ive been looking at bigger boats something i can take to mead n sleep on n i found one nice v dtive n have now been confused 9n boats n know NOTHING about v drives shit i barely know about my jet. Here they are i thaught on a larger boat a vdrive would be a faster boat
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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2014, 10:59:58 AM »
At big river, a jet or wacker or I/o is a safer deal.  You can't trim up the running gear in a v-drive.

Boating is only fun if your boating.  Boating is not fun if you're fixing the boat.  What do you want to do?...work on it or ride in it?  Something I've learned over the years...more shit to go wrong means more shit will go wrong, which is why I have my current boat.  I've spent less on repairs in 3 years than I spent on gas in one season in my white boat.  I don't even wanna talk about fixing the damn white boat.
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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2014, 11:21:52 AM »
I've owned 2 v-drives before. Never had any issues as far as break downs or mechanical failures in either of them. Some have reserve and it works just fine only problem is you usually have to shut the engine off before you shift into reverse then fire it back up.

And yes ask anyone who has owned a few v-drives and they will tell you it cost much less to go fast in a v-drive. Jet boats are incredibly inefficient when compared to a v-drive. You can swap out the gears in the drive, change props etc...

I bought a 1972 flat bottom sanger years ago. It had a punched out 350 small block with a crane blue racer cam and corvette heads on it and I hit 82 mph. Can't imagine what a big rat motor would have been like in it.

The ride can get pretty rough when your in a flatty but its not terrible, you gotta weigh out the pros and cons. If you find a solid v-drive you'll spend way less in gas, go faster and imo have better handling but you'll sacrifice roominess, a rooster tail and you run the risk of being out $3k if you hit any rocks or sand bars.

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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2014, 11:29:21 AM »
Flat bottom jet vs true flat?
V bottom jet vs v bottom v drive?
Apple's and oranges.
other than floating, at almost no point are they comparable.
A motorless flat bottom hull is at least double the cost of a motorless jet hull.
Right off the bat it's one sided and you're not even talking about power yet.
10k how?
New motor?
Used blower motor?
Does the flat have a trans?
It's all a moot point if you ask me.

-beerjet-

Starting off with 2 hulls that cost the same I'm not sure what v drive hulls go for but let's take a jet hull and comparable v drive hull and throw 10k towards it,  Half into the motor half into the pump/drive, what's the outcome? Doesn't matter if it's v bottom, flat, true flat...just 2 comparable hulls.



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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2014, 11:34:34 AM »
At big river, a jet or wacker or I/o is a safer deal.  You can't trim up the running gear in a v-drive.

Boating is only fun if your boating.  Boating is not fun if you're fixing the boat.  What do you want to do?...work on it or ride in it?  Something I've learned over the years...more shit to go wrong means more shit will go wrong, which is why I have my current boat.  I've spent less on repairs in 3 years than I spent on gas in one season in my white boat.  I don't even wanna talk about fixing the damn white boat.

Damn pat I know your Wacker is bada** it impressed the living crap out of me and I've been looking into some tunnel wackers but I can't get my self to spend between 8-10k and have my boat sound like a damn single cam Honda civic with a can strapped onto the exhaust.



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Re: Jet vs v drive
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2014, 11:40:03 AM »
Starting off with 2 hulls that cost the same I'm not sure what v drive hulls go for but let's take a jet hull and comparable v drive hull and throw 10k towards it,  Half into the motor half into the pump/drive, what's the outcome? Doesn't matter if it's v bottom, flat, true flat...just 2 comparable hulls.


Everything matters.
End result is most imported.
I'd start with that.
Come up with a purpose and where you boat and go from there.
Point being v drives are generally faster and more efficient and more expensive right from the start.

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