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WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« on: April 09, 2014, 07:26:55 PM »
Get a pay check to legally bully...



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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2014, 07:43:50 PM »
I see people using social media to instigate a fight with someone who is payed to do a job.
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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2014, 07:49:02 PM »
Research the deal... Sometimes you must say no to your employer. Several cops did in Connecticut. Speaking of pay...who pays them? The people on the other side.
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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2014, 07:52:45 PM »
Get a pay check to legally bully...

Merica....

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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2014, 07:56:13 PM »
I like all the Obama comments. ...
Like hey! 
Dumb fock!
Gubments had been doing this for years!
We gave away every single right we had left with the patriot act. 

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2014, 08:07:01 PM »
I like all the Obama comments. ...
Like hey! 
Dumb fock!
Gubments had been doing this for years!
We gave away every single right we had left with the patriot act. 

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That patriot act has f..ked us all. It wasn't a vote by Americans... It was forced government.

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2014, 08:11:15 PM »
That patriot act has f..ked us all. It wasn't a vote by Americans... It was forced government.
Exactly ... You see where I'm going with this. ...


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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2014, 08:14:34 PM »
The best thing you can do is make your children know there rights.... Always question authority!

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2014, 09:19:36 PM »
The best thing you can do is make your children know there rights.... Always question authority!
Well put.

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2014, 06:36:12 AM »
Amen boys

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2014, 08:43:38 AM »
This is dumb. The people in it are morons. I dont know all the facts, but it seems like a guy has been a dead beat on his land lease for 30 years and they have created conspiracy theory's that the feds are trying to muscle them out. All of that is mute as to that I saw in the video. The video shows a bunch of buffoons going about what they are trying to defend in a very moronic manner.

The rangers or BLM that you called bullys are probably nice dudes who have families and were sent there to do a job. Things escalated quickly and I give them kudos to them backing down and leaving before escalating it any further. Things could have been MUCH uglier. The crowd cheering when the cops left just shows how ignorant they are. They didnt win, they just got lucky.

I have zero sympathy for the people in the video getting tased. The crowd was ordered to move and back down and they did not comply. They actually moved forward towards the cops. Just like you have every right to bare arms to defend yourself, they have every right to defend themselves as well. The cops dont know these people. They dont know who is or isnt armed. If I was them, I'd be scared shitless in that situation. I dont blame them one bit for their actions. They were only holding their ground and trying to keep order with a screaming mob of people in their face invading their personal space.

The people in the crowd are pathetic and I am offended they even call themselves Americans. One lady got up in a cops face and screams "im pregnant". WTF does that have to do with anything? Why are you even there putting your unborn child in danger? YOU make me SICK! Then the other lady who got her pants dirty whining she has cancer and 11 kids to the liberal media news cameras.....cry me a river. Both of those ladies put themselves in that situation. What I saw was the crowd was the aggressors, not the cops.

I vote republican and I was raised to respect authority. But what I saw here was not people standing up for their rights, it was a crowd of people trying to play some BS off to the liberal and social media for sympathy with lots of bad acting.

People in this video make me sick.
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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2014, 09:21:26 AM »
This is dumb. The people in it are morons. I dont know all the facts, but it seems like a guy has been a dead beat on his land lease for 30 years and they have created conspiracy theory's that the feds are trying to muscle them out. All of that is mute as to that I saw in the video. The video shows a bunch of buffoons going about what they are trying to defend in a very moronic manner.

The rangers or BLM that you called bullys are probably nice dudes who have families and were sent there to do a job. Things escalated quickly and I give them kudos to them backing down and leaving before escalating it any further. Things could have been MUCH uglier. The crowd cheering when the cops left just shows how ignorant they are. They didnt win, they just got lucky.

I have zero sympathy for the people in the video getting tased. The crowd was ordered to move and back down and they did not comply. They actually moved forward towards the cops. Just like you have every right to bare arms to defend yourself, they have every right to defend themselves as well. The cops dont know these people. They dont know who is or isnt armed. If I was them, I'd be scared shitless in that situation. I dont blame them one bit for their actions. They were only holding their ground and trying to keep order with a screaming mob of people in their face invading their personal space.

The people in the crowd are pathetic and I am offended they even call themselves Americans. One lady got up in a cops face and screams "im pregnant". WTF does that have to do with anything? Why are you even there putting your unborn child in danger? YOU make me SICK! Then the other lady who got her pants dirty whining she has cancer and 11 kids to the liberal media news cameras.....cry me a river. Both of those ladies put themselves in that situation. What I saw was the crowd was the aggressors, not the cops.

I vote republican and I was raised to respect authority. But what I saw here was not people standing up for their rights, it was a crowd of people trying to play some BS off to the liberal and social media for sympathy with lots of bad acting.

People in this video make me sick.
I completely agree with you

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2014, 09:42:32 AM »
I completely agree with you

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2014, 10:32:15 AM »
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Mary Jo Irvine- this is for you...but it's a whole lot more corrupt than just this!:

"Sorry this is long but applicable here. By SHIREE BUNDY COX: I have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight. 

Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. 

My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. 

These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. 

These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. 

Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches. 

My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. 

Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers. 

They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. 

When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. 

He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. 

So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. 

In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. 

Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the indangered species card. 

You've already heard about the desert tortis.

Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. 

Now their desperate. 

It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. 

Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. 

Now you may be saying," how sad, but what does this have to do with me?" Well, I'll tell you. 

They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. 

Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next. 

Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him. 

Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed. 

Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it. 

They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Auction and sell them.

All with our tax money. 

They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars.

See how slick they are?

Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks



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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2014, 12:07:26 PM »
They were there before the BLM and have not paid in numerous yearsand now the BLM wants the land because they are selling all around them to natural gas and fracking.
Just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2014, 01:30:03 PM »
Make sure to believe the media and don't ask questions cause we know they are telling us whats really going on right... If this was an illegal that was squatting on the land, the feds would leave em alone. Your must earn respect not expect authority. How many people in years past had to fight for what is right. By there actions its kept this country for WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!! Just be thankful there still is Americans willing to risk there life in our country against a corrupt government.

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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2014, 03:19:39 PM »
Make sure to believe the media and don't ask questions cause we know they are telling us whats really going on right... If this was an illegal that was squatting on the land, the feds would leave em alone. Your must earn respect not expect authority. How many people in years past had to fight for what is right. By there actions its kept this country for WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!! Just be thankful there still is Americans willing to risk there life in our country against a corrupt government.

How true! and no media will say anything about the natural gas on that land.
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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2014, 05:20:30 PM »
Veritas Et Lux
Mary Jo Irvine- this is for you...but it's a whole lot more corrupt than just this!:

"Sorry this is long but applicable here. By SHIREE BUNDY COX: I have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight.

Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell.

My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972.

These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars.

These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights.

Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches.

My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve.

Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers.

They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees.

When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job.

He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down.

So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes.

In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business.

Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the indangered species card.

You've already heard about the desert tortis.

Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years.

Now their desperate.

It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff.

Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America.

Now you may be saying," how sad, but what does this have to do with me?" Well, I'll tell you.

They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again.

Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.

Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him.

Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed.

Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it.

They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Auction and sell them.

All with our tax money.

They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars.

See how slick they are?

Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks



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You the man, thanks for the 411 if your Dad ever needs help in his defense look me up all stand arm and arm with him , I'm sick of the government bullying Hard working Americans for a political agenda Don't Tread on me , and yes I too was taught to respect authority which I do just not thieves in disguise.

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2014, 07:17:54 PM »
Now I'm not gonna sit here say either side is right or wrong.
My view is strictly based on the info provided.
To think that someone with this much at stake and taking such drastic measures seems a little more believable since the government only goes after what they want.
They must want something real bad to not even have the police show up.
The dramatics was kind of lame but kudos to them for standing their ground.
You would have just as hard a time taking my families land from me as well.
KNOW YOUR RIGHTS AND STAND BY THEM!

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WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2014, 08:34:21 AM »
This is dumb. The people in it are morons. I dont know all the facts, but it seems like a guy has been a dead beat on his land lease for 30 years and they have created conspiracy theory's that the feds are trying to muscle them out. All of that is mute as to that I saw in the video. The video shows a bunch of buffoons going about what they are trying to defend in a very moronic manner.

The rangers or BLM that you called bullys are probably nice dudes who have families and were sent there to do a job. Things escalated quickly and I give them kudos to them backing down and leaving before escalating it any further. Things could have been MUCH uglier. The crowd cheering when the cops left just shows how ignorant they are. They didnt win, they just got lucky.

I have zero sympathy for the people in the video getting tased. The crowd was ordered to move and back down and they did not comply. They actually moved forward towards the cops. Just like you have every right to bare arms to defend yourself, they have every right to defend themselves as well. The cops dont know these people. They dont know who is or isnt armed. If I was them, I'd be scared shitless in that situation. I dont blame them one bit for their actions. They were only holding their ground and trying to keep order with a screaming mob of people in their face invading their personal space.

The people in the crowd are pathetic and I am offended they even call themselves Americans. One lady got up in a cops face and screams "im pregnant". WTF does that have to do with anything? Why are you even there putting your unborn child in danger? YOU make me SICK! Then the other lady who got her pants dirty whining she has cancer and 11 kids to the liberal media news cameras.....cry me a river. Both of those ladies put themselves in that situation. What I saw was the crowd was the aggressors, not the cops.

I vote republican and I was raised to respect authority. But what I saw here was not people standing up for their rights, it was a crowd of people trying to play some BS off to the liberal and social media for sympathy with lots of bad acting.

People in this video make me sick.




Well put Brad. People really don't understand what law enforcement has to go through on a daily basis. You guys were not there and can't completely comment on what led to the incident. And I am not saying I agree or disagree with what the Feds did. Yes there are shit bags in the profession that shouldn't hold that position but most of us are fun loving guys/gals that respect laws ourselves and treat people with respect. Some people talk shit and question authority but when THEY need help they are the first people to call us which is completely funny but hey we still respond and help them out to the best of our abilities and treat them respectfully!!!



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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2014, 05:41:15 PM »
Most law will put there job first before whats right... No shit talk just saying what I've seen through the years. Anyone working for the government should represent themselves always above and beyond a well mannered American as its a privileged job. If you decide to molest, bully, sell weapons illegally on the side, ect ...the punishment should be 100x worse and no retirement/benefits period. Always question Authority...

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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2014, 05:57:15 PM »

Most law will put there job first before whats right... No shit talk just saying what I've seen through the years. Anyone working for the government should represent themselves always above and beyond a well mannered American as its a privileged job. If you decide to molest, bully, sell weapons illegally on the side, ect ...the punishment should be 100x worse and no retirement/benefits period. Always question Authority...


I personally believe your comments are ignorant and judgmental. I'll put myself out there and say yeah I work as a law enforcement officer and I personally hold myself to a higher standard and some guys on here can vouch for that. Sorry you have a bad taste in your mouth for previous encounters with the LAW but I don't appreciate you thinking we are all the same cause we are not. I have a family and the people I serve in my community are treated exactly like I treat my family!!!





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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2014, 06:26:23 PM »
I don't have run ins... I am a vender for the state as well. Know lots of LAW ENFORCEMENT.... Like DOJ, FBI..ect. I didn't say all...but again your a cop and assume.  I call it like I see it...

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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2014, 06:30:08 PM »
Just proved my first point in my last post even more!!!!


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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2014, 06:49:57 PM »
Call it like I see it... And that is how it is!!!!

 


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