90 year old war hero being harrassed.

« **on:** December 03, 2009, 06:34:50 PM »

Somebody needs to get me the e-mail address of everybody on the homeowners association board. This is an outrage, don't look if you don't want you blood to boil...

http://news.aol.com/article/world-war-ii-veteran-van-t-barfoot/799414?icid=main|main|dl2|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fworld-war-ii-veteran-van-t-barfoot%2F799414

It is this kind of crap that makes me hate almost every single stupid rule that some selfish asshat made up, ever.

GT

« **Reply #1 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:55:36 PM »

sorry mother fcckers that what's wrong with America today!!!!!! I support all vets.

« **Reply #2 on:** December 03, 2009, 07:04:09 PM »

While I am totally against this type of strong arm tactic, this is why HOA neighborhood suck balls! He asked them for permission, they denied him based on the rules of the HOA that he knowingly agreed to abide by. As much as it sucks, it's not a matter of patriotism, it's a simple matter of somebody breaking a rule and having to face consequences for it.

BTW- I'm a proud American, I fly my flag every single day. I just don't have to have anyone's permission to do so.

« **Reply #3 on:** December 03, 2009, 07:11:08 PM »

Goddam soccer moms. That's the problem and the majority of most HOA governing boards. Thank gawd every day I do not have one, but my last house involved more tha one heated discussion with a "Board Member", only to be followed up on by a visit a week or so later and "conversation" with a HUSBAND(s) of a "Board Member".

Never backed down, but still, kinda reminds me of the old "protection" rackets running when I was a kid in Youngstown, Ohio. Remarkeable! Yet people buy into those devlopments.

Live and learn. But those people need a good spanking in the pocketbook, IMO.

Ray

« **Reply #4 on:** December 03, 2009, 07:53:55 PM »

HOA's are great for things such as my neighbor cant paint his house like the Mexican flag or park 8 cars in his front yard. But telling someone who fought and defended the freedoms of ours and other nations that he cant fly this flag in his yard is plain UNAMERICAN!

one of the lines in the articles reads "but Barfoot's neighbors are split over the issue. " The Neighbors that oppose it should get on a plane and move to Iran, China or N Korea for a while! Maybe then they will have a true appreciation of what that flag stands for!

« **Reply #5 on:** December 03, 2009, 09:20:19 PM »

They should salute him everyday for his service. Not screw with him for his contribution to OUR freedom. Screw that. HOAs suck! Just plain sick! I bet they hate guns too.

« **Reply #6 on:** December 03, 2009, 09:37:33 PM »

Quote from: Luckie Stiff on December 03, 2009, 07:04:09 PM

While I am totally against this type of strong arm tactic, this is why HOA neighborhood suck balls! He asked them for permission, they denied him based on the rules of the HOA that he knowingly agreed to abide by. As much as it sucks, it's not a matter of patriotism, it's a simple matter of somebody breaking a rule and having to face consequences for it.

BTW- I'm a proud American, I fly my flag every single day. I just don't have to have anyone's permission to do so.

I agree with you Skip, I just can't stand the fact this old guy who has given up everything for his country (3X) could not get a "you are absolutely allowed to have a flagpole in your front yard, rules be damned" ruling from these fake selfish pieces of sh!t who probably think they are doing their civic duty, not to be morbid, but seriously, he's 90, how long do you think they will have to "put up" with a flagpole?, which I must say is very tastefully done.

My grandad would have had one put in all of the board members front yards just to prove a point, he was a tough old SOB....RIP

Has anyone got me some e-mail addy's yet?, I was serious about that, I will have these communist pieces of sh!t saluting the flag with him in the morning....

GT

« **Reply #7 on:** December 04, 2009, 06:21:53 AM »

Call and or fax Coates & Davenport, the law firm representing the home owner association.

FLOOD THEM WITH CALLS!!

Coates & Davenport
5206 Markel Road, Suite 200
Richmond VA 23230
Toll Free: (800) 450-8311
Local Phone: (804) 285-7000
General Fax: (804) 285-2849
Real Estate Fax: (804) 285-3426

You can also visit their site and send them a message http://www.coateslaw.com/CM/Custom/Contact.asp.

Please spread this around like wildfire!

If anyone has the contact info for the homeowner association please put it up and I’ll put it in the post directly.

In closing, I’ll leave you with a quote from the Colonel’s daughter Margaret:

“Dad sort of feels like this is the end.”

More Info:

The Colonel's address if you want to thank him for his service:
Van T Barfoot 11815 Coat Bridge Ln, Richmond, VA 23238

The Home Owners Association if you want to call them:
SUSSEX SQUARE SERVICE HOA at 804-740-8795

« **Reply #8 on:** December 04, 2009, 07:25:39 AM »

Quote from: Luckie Stiff on December 04, 2009, 06:21:53 AM

Call and or fax Coates & Davenport, the law firm representing the home owner association.

FLOOD THEM WITH CALLS!!

Coates & Davenport
5206 Markel Road, Suite 200
Richmond VA 23230
Toll Free: (800) 450-8311
Local Phone: (804) 285-7000
General Fax: (804) 285-2849
Real Estate Fax: (804) 285-3426
You can also visit their site and send them a message http://www.coateslaw.com/CM/Custom/Contact.asp.

Please spread this around like wildfire!

If anyone has the contact info for the homeowner association please put it up and I’ll put it in the post directly.

In closing, I’ll leave you with a quote from the Colonel’s daughter Margaret:

“Dad sort of feels like this is the end.”

More Info:

The Colonel's address if you want to thank him for his service:
Van T Barfoot 11815 Coat Bridge Ln, Richmond, VA 23238

The Home Owners Association if you want to call them:
SUSSEX SQUARE SERVICE HOA at 804-740-8795

You my freind, are the man, perhaps with a bit too much time on his hands, but the man...

I am going to make this my lifes work for the next month.......

Ever thought of becomming a private investigator? AKA a Dick

Thanks!

edit;, how would you guys feel if the flagpole were moved to a park within the community? would that be justice, or conforming?
I really want to see this fixed....looking for options.

GT

« **Reply #9 on:** December 04, 2009, 09:09:23 AM »

Quote from: GT Jets on December 04, 2009, 07:25:39 AM

Ever thought of becomming a private investigator? AKA a Dick

I can see it now , Private investigator Richard Sause!

« **Reply #10 on:** December 04, 2009, 09:42:26 AM »

That's Mr. Sause to you pal!

« **Reply #11 on:** December 04, 2009, 10:04:54 AM »

I thought we were on a first name basis , I can't just call you "Dick"?

« **Reply #12 on:** December 04, 2009, 10:59:45 AM »

I would love to get a copy of the restrictions. I bet you it says nowhere that you cannot fly the flag and does not explicitly exclude flagpoles. That would put it into a catagory that would require a vote i.e. opinion. I wonder how many federal offences are in there restrictions which puts evey board member in a positssion to be arrested?

My old boss wanted to add to his garage but according to the restrictions it went beyond the "avaerage setback" on the block. He fought it and found out that the restrictions also banned blacks and hispanics from living there unless they were in "servant's quarters". The lawyer simply asked if they enforce ALL the rules. The issue went away faster speeding bullet.

« **Reply #13 on:** December 04, 2009, 07:05:42 PM »

The man served our country and proudly fought for our freedom and he wants to show his respect for the flag He should be aloud to do just that and there shouldnt be any laws or restrictions when it comes to our flag God bless this old man and all like him he is a true american GT if theres any way KICK SOME MAJOR ASS

« **Reply #14 on:** December 04, 2009, 08:07:11 PM »

Would you believe that no one returned my calls?

I'm on it.......

There is supossed to be a ruling by next Friday, we will see....

GT

« **Reply #15 on:** December 05, 2009, 12:13:27 PM »

Whats wrong with 8 cars/boats in the fronty yard.lol

Quote from: OC2Vegas on December 03, 2009, 07:53:55 PM

HOA's are great for things such as my neighbor cant paint his house like the Mexican flag or park 8 cars in his front yard. But telling someone who fought and defended the freedoms of ours and other nations that he cant fly this flag in his yard is plain UNAMERICAN!

one of the lines in the articles reads "but Barfoot's neighbors are split over the issue. " The Neighbors that oppose it should get on a plane and move to Iran, China or N Korea for a while! Maybe then they will have a true appreciation of what that flag stands for!

« **Reply #16 on:** December 06, 2009, 06:55:33 PM »

I look at it this way, I OWN THE DIRT THAT FLAG POLE IS ON!! SO YOUR HOA CAN KISS MY ASS!!
and yes im yelling!!

« **Reply #17 on:** December 06, 2009, 07:04:31 PM »

While I agree on the principle that he should be allowed to fly his flag, he did move into the community knowing the rules. He is a decorated military officer and as such he knows the importance of following orders and enforcing regulations for the good order of the unit. Did he move there intending to prove a point and violate this rule, or did he simply fail to read the rules before moving in. He asked permission which demonstrates that he knew it was prohibited, so he doesn't really have a legal leg to stand on. Does he get to break the rule because he is old, a vet, or is it because he received the CMH? And if he gets a free pass on breaking this rule where is the line that he can't cross? And before you think I'm un-American, I've got 27 years in the military and still going. It is a matter of knowing what right looks like and he chose to break a rule knowing he was in the wrong but feeling that his wants were greater than the wants of the many in his community. He should have simply put as big a pole off his house as he could and petitioned the association members to amend the bylaws. I do wish him luck as the flag is probably very important to him. But if that is all he is living for, he needs more help than legal services can provide.

« **Reply #18 on:** December 06, 2009, 07:11:24 PM »

Happened to leave my HOA community the opposite way I normally do the other day and noticed that one of my neighbors has a 20' flag pole in his front yard flying ol' glory.

Amazing how one community board can think its an eye sore and others dont....

« **Reply #19 on:** December 06, 2009, 07:36:01 PM »

Quote from: SnoC653 on December 06, 2009, 07:04:31 PM

While I agree on the principle that he should be allowed to fly his flag, he did move into the community knowing the rules. He is a decorated military officer and as such he knows the importance of following orders and enforcing regulations for the good order of the unit. Did he move there intending to prove a point and violate this rule, or did he simply fail to read the rules before moving in. He asked permission which demonstrates that he knew it was prohibited, so he doesn't really have a legal leg to stand on. Does he get to break the rule because he is old, a vet, or is it because he received the CMH? And if he gets a free pass on breaking this rule where is the line that he can't cross? And before you think I'm un-American, I've got 27 years in the military and still going. It is a matter of knowing what right looks like and he chose to break a rule knowing he was in the wrong but feeling that his wants were greater than the wants of the many in his community. He should have simply put as big a pole off his house as he could and petitioned the association members to amend the bylaws. I do wish him luck as the flag is probably very important to him. But if that is all he is living for, he needs more help than legal services can provide.

SnoC653,

First off, thank you for your years of service

I have numerous family members that served, and I am by no means saying this old man should be able to break the rules, I am however saying he should have the backing to be able to change them...Which is the point of the whole thing, he went to the board to ask for an exception to the (IMHO) rediculous rule, they turned him down flat. There will be another ruling on Friday, lawyers were involved, even if he loses legally, these POS board members should be ashamed of themselves to allow this to go as far as it has.

I am an American that bleeds red white and blue, you mess with the stripes, you'll see stars..... I wanted to go into the Navy right out of high school with my cousin, my height (6'6") made it too difficult and there were only a few places I could actually go (Carrier or Battleship)...I chickened out, always regreted it.

I don't think this flagpole issue is all he has, he is just passionate about fighting for what's right as far as the proper handling of Old Glory, may she fly with pride forever. Which is why I asked about the community park if there was one...

GT

« **Reply #20 on:** December 06, 2009, 08:26:36 PM »

Quote from: SnoC653 on December 06, 2009, 07:04:31 PM

While I agree on the principle that he should be allowed to fly his flag, he did move into the community knowing the rules. He is a decorated military officer and as such he knows the importance of following orders and enforcing regulations for the good order of the unit. Did he move there intending to prove a point and violate this rule, or did he simply fail to read the rules before moving in. He asked permission which demonstrates that he knew it was prohibited, so he doesn't really have a legal leg to stand on. Does he get to break the rule because he is old, a vet, or is it because he received the CMH? And if he gets a free pass on breaking this rule where is the line that he can't cross? And before you think I'm un-American, I've got 27 years in the military and still going. It is a matter of knowing what right looks like and he chose to break a rule knowing he was in the wrong but feeling that his wants were greater than the wants of the many in his community. He should have simply put as big a pole off his house as he could and petitioned the association members to amend the bylaws. I do wish him luck as the flag is probably very important to him. But if that is all he is living for, he needs more help than legal services can provide.

That is exactly how I see it. Thank you for your service!

« **Reply #21 on:** December 06, 2009, 08:53:38 PM »

Quote from: Luckie Stiff on December 06, 2009, 08:26:36 PM

That is exactly how I see it. Thank you for your service!

The more I read into this, the more pissed off I get

...There is no rule in the official HOA guidlines forbidding flagpoles of any kind....The ruling was because "it was not asthetically pleasing", so put that in your footlocker.....

All this was based on a majority (of asshats) decision...How un American is that, they are probably not even American citizens.

Only an anti American uneducated dipshit would deny the hero his last honoring of his country...google it and I gurantee you will see my side...They didn't allow it because it does not "blend in", well, i'll tell you what, it would if every resident put one up...

I can tell you this, if I was his neighbor, i would do just that (put one up)...

« **Reply #22 on:** December 06, 2009, 09:13:25 PM »

Hell yea he is old and fought for your freedom and out of total respect for our elders we should stand next to him and support him and any of our elders and vets yea you to TOM and if i was there iwould dig the hole and pour the concret for him If we all as americans sit back and let all these other people make all the rules one day we will wake up and it will be to late. example do you guys want to pay a carbon tax to run your boats

« **Reply #23 on:** December 06, 2009, 09:21:31 PM »

honestly how could an american flag not be appealing to an american...

i dont get it...really this guy has fought 3 wars and he is just a good ol boy how could you deprive him really? honestly i dont see any other issues other then he's proud to be an american, and i think that is friggen cool...it probably makes his day to put that flag up and take it down...i always think exceptions could be made...especially when it comes to someone that is as decorated as him...i really dislike associations they can almost tell you how to run your life asking permission for this and that, and damn you own the piece of land or do you? out here when everyone was "patriotic" after 9-11 and wanted to fly the flag alot of the associations made people take their flags down...i thought it was total bs then, and i think it is now...i hope he gets to keep his flag-pole

« **Reply #24 on:** December 07, 2009, 07:41:38 AM »

Take your flag down and paint your house red white and blue with the stripes and stars,then a new roof in a flag shingle pattern,.Bet the HOA and GOOD Neibors would be proud to see that flag hanging from a bunch of welded up drive shafts than to screw with him again.While at it how about a few fox holes along side the road and maybe a old army jeep in the flower bed,and a couple of rusty cannons at the drive. Sounds like a bunch of people that are on a power trip,always got there way,and need something to keep them in the spotlight at all times..Ballon boy,white house crashers ,HOA. All looking for for a spot on the news.Hope the HOA gets the same outcome as the rest.YOU HAVE A GREAT SUPPORT BASE hang in there .

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