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Old pictures...fast jets
« on: September 25, 2007, 09:34:45 AM »
Over on Hot Boat Devilman posted some pictures from the drags in Texas dating from the mid '70's. They're really nice shots. This one grabbed my eye. For any of you guys that weren't around to watch the KJ boats run circles or v-bottom  BFJ run in the 1/4 you really missed something exciting, kinda like watching the old fuel alterds back in the day on pavement. Always exciting, ill handling, faster than fukin' snot. Took a special breed to shoe one of these for sure... :) Be so nice to find a ton of old footage and transfer it to a digi format so everyone could enjoy them today.

« Last Edit: September 25, 2007, 09:43:21 AM by old rigger »
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Re: Old pictures...fast jets
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2007, 10:01:20 AM »
Oh sweet! That's boat has my name all over it.... a Sleekcraft... with a hemi.... even a Jacuzzi  ;)

I wish I could seen that thing run
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2007, 01:58:06 PM »
Cool pic, interesting pump...
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Re: Old pictures...fast jets
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2007, 04:43:06 PM »
Yeah and that Hemi has the distributer in the right place.  ;D
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Re: Old pictures...fast jets
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2007, 10:28:23 AM »
Irvine Lake 1985


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Re: Old pictures...fast jets
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2007, 10:14:26 PM »
Mike Straughan's boat...





Hard to find good pics, but I'll post them as I find them...

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Re: Old pictures...fast jets
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2007, 10:19:31 PM »
This looks like a Rogers Dragstar ..... ??? maybe.



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Re: Old pictures...fast jets
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2007, 10:29:58 PM »
This looks like a Rogers Dragstar ..... ??? maybe.

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That's what I was thinking too. I think I have some other pics of that same boat somewhere on the hard drive.
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2007, 10:50:04 PM »
That's what I was thinking too. I think I have some other pics of that same boat somewhere on the hard drive.
Dont be stingy ! Lets have um .

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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2007, 11:04:07 PM »
I have 3 VHS tapes loaded with videos of those boats somewhere in the house. I think they are
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Re: Old pictures...fast jets
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2007, 08:14:50 AM »
Ok, so I searched the HD and couldn't find the pics of the above boat anywhere. I know they're on there somewhere, just can't find them. I did come across some other Dragstar pics though. Judging from these photos, the above boat either has a heavily modified bottom or is not a Dragstar at all.

Look for yourself:
Not sure of this one's name, but from what I remember, Jack McClure had something to do with this one. May have been a fueler...

This one is owned by a guy up in Colusa and runs in the ME class(if I remember right) @ Red Bluff every year. It's named "A Little Rascal's Ex" It was once the "Duel in the Sun" boat that held a NDBA record of something like 110 MPH. It was once owned by a guy named Wally Albright, who was a child actor in the Little Rascals shows(Notice the ME king sniffing out the competition ;) ):



Not sure of the name on this one either. I think Jack had something to do with this one also:


Except for the white boat above, I didn't take any of these photos myself. I found and saved them from the 'net over the years.
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2007, 08:24:17 AM »
very cool heatseeker....thanks for sharing!
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2007, 08:38:24 AM »
My pleasure! I've snagged tons of old dragboat pics over the years, but very few are jets.

Maybe Old Rigger will chime in with an ID on that boat a couple of posts up.
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2007, 06:07:25 PM »
Awsome pics . I think your right about that first one not being a rogers . The other rogers dont have half the pod the first one does and the rogers have more freeboard than the first picture too.

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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2007, 07:49:59 PM »

A fellow looking like a homeless person came in the MPD shop one evening and asked "if we installed engines in jet boats". I told him "yes" and he then asked "if we would install the engine in his jet boat". I said "sure", thinking to myself that it was all a joke. He then left.
Several weeks later the same fellow showed up driving a nice shiny pickup with an injected aluminum KB hemi sitting in the bed and a brand new red & white Rogers Drag Star hitched on behind. He said "this is the engine that I'd like you to install in that jet boat". I almost fell over!
We built the rails and engine mounts, and installed the engine. During that era we also built some of the cav plate hardware used on the Drag Stars, but that stuff was usually installed in Roger's shop. I don't remember for sure if we did any of the other rigging on that boat, but I'm thinking that we may have done the pedals/plate controls because I bothered to take a pic of those. After Wally's boat left MPD, I never saw it again, but heard thru the grapevine about him setting the CompJet record.
I am thrilled to see old race boats like this being preserved and, hopefully, kept in top condition.
Jack

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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2007, 08:47:30 PM »
A fellow looking like a homeless person came in the MPD shop one evening and asked "if we installed engines in jet boats". I told him "yes" and he then asked "if we would install the engine in his jet boat". I said "sure", thinking to myself that it was all a joke. He then left.
Several weeks later the same fellow showed up driving a nice shiny pickup with an injected aluminum KB hemi sitting in the bed and a brand new red & white Rogers Drag Star hitched on behind. He said "this is the engine that I'd like you to install in that jet boat". I almost fell over!
We built the rails and engine mounts, and installed the engine. During that era we also built some of the cav plate hardware used on the Drag Stars, but that stuff was usually installed in Roger's shop. I don't remember for sure if we did any of the other rigging on that boat, but I'm thinking that we may have done the pedals/plate controls because I bothered to take a pic of those. After Wally's boat left MPD, I never saw it again, but heard thru the grapevine about him setting the CompJet record.
I am thrilled to see old race boats like this being preserved and, hopefully, kept in top condition.
Jack

verbatim. 8)


thanks for the cool story jack.......i love reading stuff like this.
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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2007, 10:03:06 PM »
I wish I could get the story behind this thing . ???



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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2007, 11:04:13 AM »
Have no idea about the boat above with the dropped keel? Maybe someone flipped one over and changed it.

here's the molds as they looked leaving Advantage going to their new owner, no mods to the bottom.



Also, I never knew that Wally Albright was a child actor. Roger never mentioned it and he spoke often of him back in the day. I did a search, Albright acted for a long time, died in '99. Here's the only shot of him that I could find.

I also asked Roger the lasst time I talked to him about the dragstar. I thought I remembered him telling me certain things with it's handeling that sort of killed it, but he said no, it handeled fine. I asked him what was the fastest anyone ran one, '141 and change' but i don't remember who's boat he said it was.

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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2007, 11:05:01 AM »
I wish I could get the story behind this thing . ???



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beerjet, do a search on HB, that boat was talked about a bunch a few years ago.
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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2007, 11:10:59 AM »
oldrigger,

in a thread over on hb where the discussion of the mexican knockoff molds was taking place...you mentioned that the new owner of the hulls has no interest in making new hulls or renting them out....then why did he buy them? does he think they will age like fine wine? I dont care who you are (and i think you will agree with me) ....even if you have these 'golden' molds, it still wont be a rogers, ever.

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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2007, 11:32:17 AM »
This looks like a Rogers Dragstar ..... ??? maybe.



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If you take a close look at this pic, just ahead of the trailer fender and below the tail light of that Econoline, you can see that this hull has sponsons, making it a jet hydro. The paint job seems reminiscent of Sanger with the narrow color bands with fades, but the Sanger jet hydros that I have seen were more of a "tunnel" hydro. This one seems to have just a very small(1/4"?) dropped chine. Of course those might just be the result of reliefs in the hull for recessed cav plates? Would be nice to see more pics........Hondo also made a jet hydro, but it had a much more pronounced gunwale, especially in the rear, where it kind of flared upward. It also was more of a tunnel-hydro design, I think.
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2007, 01:16:25 PM »
oldrigger,
I dont care who you are (and i think you will agree with me) ....even if you have these 'golden' molds, it still wont be a rogers, ever.Brad

that's what I already said in the other thread.
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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2007, 01:18:42 PM »
but why does this guy even have these molds if he isn't interested in using them or letting anyone else use them?
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2007, 03:04:52 PM »
well, that's the 64,000 dollar question isn't it?  :D Who knows why people do the things they do.
The final figure Roger gave me to buy him out, minus the property which oddly enough was sold to a friend of a friend, was much more than I could afford to pay. Plus it came at a time when I was sick of building boats, rather, I was sick of dealing with the owners of the companys that built boats. That was the third time that I thought of going out on my own, once with my dad and another time...I actually had molds. I thought about it for a long time, talked to Roger about it over and over but in the end I passed. Then a year of so later Roger tells me what he sold everything for, 5K. Hell that was peanuts compared to the price he and I were talking about. lol Still, the 21 and 19TR molds would be a blast to own. Even if I only sold 1 part out of them a year, it'd be a blast. Would the 19tr be as good as or advertised as a Rogers if I had bought them, of course not. I could build them to my liking which I learned from Roger, but they would still not be a Rogers. The 21 maybe. It was the only set of molds that were added to his line up while I was there so I know them very well. I spent days and days in them bringing them up to snuff. I love that deck.

Ah well, what could of been and what is are two different things altogether.  ;)
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Re: Old pictures...fast jets
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2007, 07:09:47 PM »
beerjet, do a search on HB, that boat was talked about a bunch a few years ago.
I've read the thread before . I actually shared a few PM's with the original owners son and I got some info about how Jack McClure set the boat up . Jack told me the first boat they sent him was a POS and he told them to shit can it .he gives them a 6 ! :D

If you take a close look at this pic, just ahead of the trailer fender and below the tail light of that Econoline, you can see that this hull has sponsons, making it a jet hydro. The paint job seems reminiscent of Sanger with the narrow color bands with fades, but the Sanger jet hydros that I have seen were more of a "tunnel" hydro. This one seems to have just a very small(1/4"?) dropped chine. Of course those might just be the result of reliefs in the hull for recessed cav plates? Would be nice to see more pics........Hondo also made a jet hydro, but it had a much more pronounced gunwale, especially in the rear, where it kind of flared upward. It also was more of a tunnel-hydro design, I think.
Good freakin eyes ! I never noticed that . The Hondos are umungst my favs and unmistakable .

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