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angermgmt

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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2014, 07:29:14 PM »
There's a fine line between being polite and calling BS.


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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2014, 08:13:31 PM »
The motor is a 502 .30, I believe that is a 409.  502 std bore 4.466 so .30 4.496.  Mine is a 4.75 stroke. 


I apologize if I sh!t in your Cheerios, but your information is so erratic it's hard for me to understand how someone could post this and be serious.

I don't doubt that you spent a lot of money to have your engine built.  I'm going to assume you were fed a load of crap and were taken advantage of because you don't have much mechanical knowledge (not necessarily a bad thing, unfortunately it just leaves you open to being screwed).

Now, with your latest post you claim to have a .030 over bore on a crate 502.... making it a 509.... Agreed?

Well, a 502 GM crate engine originally used a standard 4.00" stroke... So, with a 4.75" stroker crank you should be right at 603.29ci per Wallace racing calculator.

(Your Engine with bore of 4.496 and stroke of 4.75 is 603.29 CID)  http://www.wallaceracing.com/cid.php

Again, your information doesn't add up.

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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2014, 08:38:57 PM »
He bought it, found out it goes 65 and cut and pasted the buy sheet he was fed... Bret a dollar on it.


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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2014, 09:13:49 PM »
Keith I'll buy your boat all day long and twice on sunday for 4g's lol

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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2014, 09:35:42 PM »
I wanna know how NADA figures a 40 yr old boat with an Olds is now worth 4X its original price. 

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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2014, 11:05:20 PM »
You put a fuel injected 706 race motor in 90's civic along with every body kit and exterior modification you can find. Does it make it worth more...?

Does because you spend too much building it doesn't make it worth more money? Not trying to hate just stating the obvious.


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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2014, 11:41:47 PM »
Man, I really hate to do this to you, but this was brought to my attention and I can't just sit and let such BS go unchecked... Those on here that know me....Spoiler alert. This one is going to sting.

1976 SANGER CUSTOM BUILD 800 HORSE POWER.  Turn Key.

800 horses huh? That is impressive... Got the dyno sheet to prove any of this? Or is this a guess by either you or your machinist?   :o

Due to being laidoff of my job, sadly my boat must be sold to help out with the bills.  I have entirely too much invested in it.  I would never sell the boat otherwise however, finances are causing me to sell the boat.  I can show, start etc the boat to anyone wanting more information.  (570)-244-6145.  Located in San Diego, do not let the (570) area code through you.

Throw........ You cannot "through" anything...  :sly:

Professionally built 1976 Sanger Jet Boat.  I have over $16,000+ in the professional engine buildup alone!


I would love to see that build sheet? Is it written on toilet paper?

I am only selling because I was layed off of my job, and now the boat must be sold.  The boat is in great condition!  The boat does have it's normal/typical scrape and spider cracks in the fiberglass from trailering it over the years (1976).  This is a original 1976' Sanger Jet Boat.  Trailer is original and boat has never been repainted.   The original 455 Olds has been removed and I had the crate 502 BBC professionally buildup for this boat.  Boat comes with it's original dual axle trailer in great condition, tires are in good shape also.  I hold the Title to the Boat and Trailer in hand, clean and ready to go.  I do not want to sell the boat as I will take a major loss, however due to my current situation I must let it go.


It is a 1975, but that I will let slide for now....  ;)


NADA value for this boat with the original 455 Olds is $13,500.
No, it didn't..... Remove the "1" in the front and you will be closer.


I had the crate 502 BBC professionally machined and built from the cam up!  Engine Shop Build alone is $16,000+.

This made my ass hurt a little.... Sort of a pounding sensation... The cam is in the top......  :screwy:



 
I've had all of the maintenance done at a local marina here in San Diego.  I welcome all open offers on the boat.  If your not familiar with the River Rat Drag Boats please check out our Rat Club.  DragBoatCity.com   I welcome all questions please email if you have any!  I will quickly respond to all open offers made on the boat.  Boat runs strong and is very FAST!  I have clocked it with my GPS at 90 mph  O0 while not at full throttle 5,000 RPM.

OK, here is where the wheels simply fell off...... No, it didn't. You are staring at a 65 MPH boat dead in the face. Did you by chance buy your GPS from Craigslist? (inside joke)...
Too scared to open her up? You didn't do even the maintenance on it? You drive a Honda, don't you?

 
The boat seats 5/6 Adults.
How big are the people where you come from?

  Interior is in great shape and I recently had the front seats re-upholstered.  Boat comes with a custom boat cover and new bimini matching top for it that has been been on the boat other than for photos .  I'm probably forgetting something, but I think I got about everything down here.  Boat is for sale locally, I reserve the right to remove the auction early if the boat sells locally first.  Boat is sold as is.  Buyer must pickup the boat in person here in San Diego, CA.  I will not ship the boat.  I am a motivated seller!  Must sell make offers.  Any further question email me here at anytime.  Also the boat is setup with a saltwater flush line - female to female- however, I have never put the boat in salt water, boat has only even seen freshwater lakes and rivers in California.

For any question regarding the boat you can contact me. 
Dave
(570) 244-6145 (cell) Text or Call.
Asking $11,000 OBO.

Only selling because I was laid-off of my job as a business analyst.  Text, call, or email me if you would like addition information or photos.  I just spent $500 getting it timed and tuned up ready for the water.  I will have it in Lake Hodges this weekend; I will post videos up on here and ebay for people interested.  I will consider trades of equal value.  I have $16k+ at the moment.  Trades welcome for newer car or muscle car of equal value, no junk.

The bad news, this is a $3500 to $4500 boat, tops, on a Sunday. $6,000 if you found that one dude.....(you wont find him on here..)

Hull Number:  SANJM4430975
Trailer Number:  VMJ00834
last two numbers of the HID is the model year........

Specs:
1976 Sanger Jet Boat
   No, again, model year is a 1975, not sure why that bothers me so....
Boat custom built in San Diego, CA.
You sure about that?
Professionally custom built and modified 502 BBC to 532 BBC
Doubting this... Big time.
Crower Stage 2 Racing CAM
Got a grind number?
Crower Oval Racing Pistons
OK, really?
4.47inches bore - 114mm 30 Over Bore.
Math.. Know it?
4 Inch Stroke.
OK
9 :1 Compression.
well that sucks, you built a custom engine with passenger car compression? good god why?
Full-Throttle 4,600 - 5,000RPM.
800 HP huh? Even if you had a high helix impeller (you don't) you should be well into the 6K mark for RPM.
All Forged Crowner Internals.
Never heard of them...
Polished and Ported Heads.
What heads?
750 Double Pump Holly Carburetor
Why so itty bitty?
New Mercury Racing Distributor
Which one? I don't see the box. Kiekhaefer had a CDI box and were black...
New Aluminum Flywheel.
What manufacturer?
Seats recently upholstered.
I am not sure I would call that too recent, maybe 15 years ago...
Lifters
Whose? what type?
Timing Gears
Whose? what type?
Rocker Arms
Whose? what type?

Ram-Intake
Nope.... Fail... That would be a high rise, not a ram.
High-Compression 160PSI
Yeah.... not even close.
Twin Aluminum (2) 12 Gallon Stainless Steel Gas Tanks with Billet Gas Caps. Holds 24 Gallons.
Aluminum stainless? That something new?

Rebuilt Berkley Pump $5000
There is that ass pounding sensation again.... WTH is in it? A titanium impeller and ceramic bearings? They only cost $3200 brand new in the box.

Bassett Racing Twistie Headers - Wet.
Yeah, that's a big fat nooooooo.
Great Trailer, matching paint - drive on trailer. 2 inch ball hookup.
Matches what? Your truck?

Matching painted in-take.
What exactly is that?

Seats 5 - 6 Passengers.
  Minions maybe...

Charged fire extinguisher
LOL

Trim (Has customizable trim levels - Manual)
Otherwise known as a Place Diverter.
Custom Rear Trim - Running Plate with Fins/Intake/Skate attached to and underneath the rear jet and bottom of the boat.
Uhm...
Has **Reverse** RARE Item on the 1975' Sanger.
Huh?????????
On/Off T-Valve with Bassett Pressure T-Valve for Bassett Twistie Racing Headers.
No, again, you don't.  Those are not twisty headers.
Removable Plug for Water Outlet.
Wha?????


I am not trying to beat you up... But you don't have any idea what you have, the information is all over the board. You have not driven that boat to 90 MPH, it is a quarter stringer Sanger (I Have owned both full and quarter stringer Sangers) A full stringer Sanger jet is as rare as girlfriend that wants to pay all the bills, is gorgeous and loves sex...

You need to do some math, get some block and head casting numbers and find the dyno and the build sheets, only then will you possibly be able to redeem yourself...

I would put good money on bad that this is either a 396 or a 402 with truck heads and runs out of poop at around the 65 MPH mark...

I am not sure if I, like crewchief, pooped in your Cherrios (WTH?), but you are not going to be able to come on here and pull the normal Craigslist BS. Have been at least a little curious why the boat is still for sale. No?

Here is how I will break this down for you..

Trailer estimated $800
Hull estimated $1500
Engine estimated $3500
Rigging estimated $500, $800 with headers...

Best case, $6600...

So there you go... Not hatin', just keeping it real up in here...


GT
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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2014, 11:49:17 PM »
Keith I'll buy your boat all day long and twice on sunday for 4g's lol

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I wouldn't, that thing's a pile LMAO...

Hi Keith!!   ;)
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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2014, 11:50:21 PM »
The motor is a 502 .30, I believe that is a 409.  502 std bore 4.466 so .30 4.496.  Mine is a 4.75 stroke. 

jimpen:

Yes, I was org. up to trading/selling the boat due to being laid off.  Since then I relocated to the east coast before I had time to seriously sell it. 

I cannot say where I work now however, I am in Washington, D.C. and am purchasing a house this is why I am selling the boat.  Lots of great trade offers, sorry.  I'm neg on the price at the same time, I will not give it away.  It costs $$$$ to build the motor alone.

Math dude... Get you some. I come up with approximately 603 cubic inches with the information in this post alone..... With a "B" cut impy and over 600" only turning 5,000 RPM, that is one anemic son of a basket case...

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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2014, 12:10:52 AM »
Wow. Now I know I'm not an engine pro, but this all goes back to the "you can't bullshit a bullshitter" saying.
Maybe I read that wrong or just too tired to fully comprehend, how does a 502 that's .30 over become a 409?


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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2014, 12:20:23 AM »
Wow. Now I know I'm not an engine pro, but this all goes back to the "you can't bullshit a bullshitter" saying.
Maybe I read that wrong or just too tired to fully comprehend, how does a 502 that's .30 over become a 409?


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I simply assumed it to have been a typo.  Maybe 509?

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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2014, 12:22:52 AM »
I simply assumed it to have been a typo.  Maybe 509?

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One could only assume. Highly doubtful though, seems the majority of that original post was typo's.

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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2014, 12:26:56 AM »
One could only assume. Highly doubtful though, seems the majority of that original post was typo's.

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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2014, 12:33:41 AM »
Glenn  :thumbup:

That is all. Carry on.
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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2014, 12:36:58 AM »
Like I mentioned I'm far from an engine guru. I understadnd the internals and can make them run. As for different bores, strokes, valve train and different things like that is all green to me. My Pops was the mastermind with the technical aspect of it.
But a 750cfm on a 502ci, and run 80mph @ 4600 rpm? Must've just taken the jets out to flow enough fuel .. not to mention taking it down a waterfall to get that speed/rpm combo

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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2014, 12:46:27 AM »
Like I mentioned I'm far from an engine guru. I understadnd the internals and can make them run. As for different bores, strokes, valve train and different things like that is all green to me. My Pops was the mastermind with the technical aspect of it.
But a 750cfm on a 502ci, and run 80mph @ 4600 rpm? Must've just taken the jets out to flow enough fuel .. not to mention taking it down a waterfall to get that speed/rpm combo

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Not to steal your thunder, but I have driven a jet boat both up and down an actual waterfall. .. lmao.

Devil's Staircase, 83 miles up the Rogue River...


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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2014, 01:09:10 AM »
Not to steal your thunder, but I have driven a jet boat both up and down an actual waterfall. .. lmao.

Devil's Staircase, 83 miles up the Rogue River...


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Hahah. That I can believe. There are some wild parts of the Rogue.

Guess I've had enough "bashing" for tonight

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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2014, 04:30:47 AM »
Guy's I think that should do it.  I was just wanting to inform the unaware parties buying in to this BS. He seems to be a slow learner so I'm out.  By all means carry on boy's nice work GT and Keith.

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« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2014, 07:01:12 AM »
Good clean hate.  Thanks members. 
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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2014, 07:28:06 AM »
Only thing that would make this more fun would be having the talk over beers with said boat in the water...  :)


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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2014, 08:10:37 AM »
And he forgot to mention it does 90 only with the Bimini up...


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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2014, 08:47:52 AM »
He's trying to sell bullshit


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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2014, 08:49:22 AM »
Good clean hate.  Thanks members.

No ones hating here buddy. It was just some fact checking on your ad. Either you don't know what you really have or you're trying to hype up your sell to pull a fast one on someone here. If its the latter, I'm glad you got smoked out. If not, I'm sorry to hear you maybe invested into something/someone unfairly with a lot of untruth.

There has been a lot of people that have been burned buying boats and parts, and when it happens, it tarnishes the reputation of the site and all its members. A lot of people (especially myself) take a lot of pride in this place. I wish you the best on the honest sale of your boat. Just don't think for a second you will fool anyone here.
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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2014, 10:08:11 AM »
No ones hating here buddy. It was just some fact checking on your ad. Either you don't know what you really have or you're trying to hype up your sell to pull a fast one on someone here. If its the latter, I'm glad you got smoked out. If not, I'm sorry to hear you maybe invested into something/someone unfairly with a lot of untruth.

There has been a lot of people that have been burned buying boats and parts, and when it happens, it tarnishes the reputation of the site and all its members. A lot of people (especially myself) take a lot of pride in this place. I wish you the best on the honest sale of your boat. Just don't think for a second you will fool anyone here.

Good call.

If you simply thumb through the thread, the displacement changes several times. How does that happen? Simple, you have no idea what's in the motor for parts .

Like I said before.  Produce some documentation to back up what you say and you can redeem yourself.

There was no hate put towards you.

It simply became a put up or shut up.

I would not even for a second attempt to sell something on here that was not every single thing that I could prove.

Buyer beware had become the first defense lately. As it should be.

Good luck with the sale. It is a good looking boat.

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Re: 1976 SANGER 532ci 800hp
« Reply #49 on: November 08, 2014, 06:37:50 PM »
I think we can eliminate he didn't know what he bought and got screwed once he advertised a 90 mph boat.


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