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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2016, 02:07:43 PM »
I disagree you want the oil going thru the filter last before the motor. So the filter can do its job.
if you go into the filter first and then the cooler if the cooler come apart for any reason the debris goes into the motor.

You dont want to no the temp in the pan its crazy hot i take readings right before the oil goes back to the block so you no the oil temp hitting the bearings


What's a crazy hot temperature at the pan? I have my temp sensor bung welded at the pan. I've only seen 200*-205*, that seems optimum.

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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2016, 02:12:07 PM »

What's a crazy hot temperature at the pan? I have my temp sensor bung welded at the pan. I've only seen 200*-205*, that seems optimum.

That's right where the oil starts to do a great job,  synthetic oil even warmer. Cold oil is "sticky" and does not lubricate as well as warm oil.

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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2016, 02:15:13 PM »
This is the way BOB at Teague does it.
But would he recommend 150 deg 50 wt oil to the filter ? Probably not.  If you want to do it that way, move your oil temp sender to the pan and restrict water to the cooler till you achiever proper oil temps in the pan. 

I disagree you want the oil going thru the filter last before the motor. So the filter can do its job.
if you go into the filter first and then the cooler if the cooler come apart for any reason the debris goes into the motor.

You dont want to no the temp in the pan its crazy hot i take readings right before the oil goes back to the block so you no the oil temp hitting the bearings

  On the very rare accession that GT and I actually agree on something, you should pay attention. And oil cooling/filtering is one of the areas we usually agree.  Standard style pleated filters will not filter 150 deg 50 wt oil at any useful volume. It will fold the pleats, crush the filter material, or open the bypass.  Changing to a good filter (no Fram) might help a bit, but even the Wix racing filters I gave you numbers for wont filter that oil at that temp in a useful volume, the bypass will open.

 And Yes, I do want to know the oil temp in the pan. Because that tells me how hot that oil has gotten going through the engine. Has it gotten hot enough to come up to temp ? Has it been overheated going through the engine ? You have no idea.  I don't really care what the oil temp going into the engine is (within reason), whats important is how hot that oil is getting, you need you know its highest temp not its lowest temp.   Would you look at water temp going to an engine ? No, you look at how hot the engine is heating it.   

 But its your boat and your engine.
 

 GT, I really doubt he has 250 deg oil in the pan, at least I hope not.  Can you imagine what must be going on in that engine if he can heat the oil from 150 deg going into it, to 250 deg by the time it reaches the pan ? My guess would be right around 200 in the pan if hes using cold water to the cooler. But that's just a guess.
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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2016, 02:24:12 PM »
Didn't see the last two posts when I hit send. 

 I would still restrict water to the cooler and move the filter. In My Opinion I would like to see a bit more than 205 deg in the pan. Get it up to around 215/220 ish. 
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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2016, 02:26:53 PM »
GT, I really doubt he has 250 deg oil in the pan, at least I hope not.  Can you imagine what must be going on in that engine if he can heat the oil from 150 deg going into it, to 250 deg by the time it reaches the pan ? My guess would be right around 200 in the pan if hes using cold water to the cooler. But that's just a guess.

That is what I'm saying too, I think the oil is overcooled. Get it up to 200°F and it's a party.

Scary that we are on the same mindset.

You must be finally coming around to my way of thinking.

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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2016, 02:28:14 PM »
Didn't see the last two posts when I hit send. 

 I would still restrict water to the cooler and move the filter. In My Opinion I would like to see a bit more than 205 deg in the pan. Get it up to around 215/220 ish.

That's a different boat altogether.
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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2016, 02:31:18 PM »
That's right where the oil starts to do a great job,  synthetic oil even warmer. Cold oil is "sticky" and does not lubricate as well as warm oil.

GT


That's what I've always figured. I run Mobil 1 synthetic with no oil cooler, 14 qt Dan Olson pan and remote oil filter.

I can run 10 miles pretty hard and it stays consistently in that temp range. I'm running a blown/intercooled 509" making 1,050 hp.

I'd like to see a few degrees more but it just doesn't get there unless I'm really legging the hell out of it and even then it cools rather quickly.

I hope the OP gets it figured out and I tend to agree that he'll find it at the gauge or the filter. I've seen big name motor builders plum the system both ways but they're usually designed differently for open and closed loop as well as motors running a thermostat.  Hope he sticks with it and keeps us posted on what it was.
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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2016, 02:34:49 PM »
BTW, there is some killer info going on in this thread.

Really appreciate the knowledge GT & Propless are posting up. Couldn't pay for this kind of candor. Good stuff gentleman.
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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2016, 02:36:48 PM »

That's what I've always figured. I run Mobil 1 synthetic with no oil cooler, 14 qt Dan Olson pan and remote oil filter.

I can run 10 miles pretty hard and it stays consistently in that temp range. I'm running a blown/intercooled 509" making 1,050 hp.

I'd like to see a few degrees more but it just doesn't get there unless I'm really legging the hell out of it and even then it cools rather quickly.

I hope the OP gets it figured out and I tend to agree that he'll find it at the gauge or the filter. I've seen big name motor builders plum the system both ways but they're usually designed differently for open and closed loop as well as motors running a thermostat.  Hope he sticks with it and keeps us posted on what it was.

You could always throttle the water back a bit and keep more heat in the heads. What leaving water temp do you see?
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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2016, 03:02:15 PM »
Scary that we are on the same mindset.

You must be finally coming around to my way of thinking.

:o

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 Coming around to your way of thinking ?  :o No, its just the RIGHT way of thinking !   ;)

That's a different boat altogether.

 Ooops. Sorry rivrrts429. 

 Your temps are awesome with no cooler, considering its a blown deal and running hard for 10 miles, your doing something right !  Most people WISH they had the problem of trying to get a bit more oil temp without a cooler. 

 Step that thing up a bit, pull some fuel, throw some timing at it, let it build some heat.  >:D
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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2016, 03:30:29 PM »
You could always throttle the water back a bit and keep more heat in the heads. What leaving water temp do you see?

I think it runs somewhere around 135ish. I'll have to look at the gauge to remember where I see the needle. It will jump up to 180 pretty quick just idling around for extended periods.

It still takes a bit to build exit water temp so I focus on the oil more than water.


 Your temps are awesome with no cooler, considering its a blown deal and running hard for 10 miles, your doing something right !  Most people WISH they had the problem of trying to get a bit more oil temp without a cooler. 

 Step that thing up a bit, pull some fuel, throw some timing at it, let it build some heat.  >:D


I've talked to my motor builder about it and we're probably going to change a few things in the off season. It's still a relatively new refresh but everything is mimicking the previous build that had over 100 hours trouble free.
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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2016, 03:51:56 PM »
I think it runs somewhere around 135ish. I'll have to look at the gauge to remember where I see the needle. It will jump up to 180 pretty quick just idling around for extended periods.

It still takes a bit to build exit water temp so I focus on the oil more than water.

Sounds like your are running a ball valve and not a gate on the pump water.

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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2016, 04:02:24 PM »
Sounds like your are running a ball valve and not a gate on the pump water.

GT


I've lurked around here enough to know that you're not going to like what setup I'm running, GT lol

No valves just a pressure relief.
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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2016, 04:09:41 PM »

I've lurked around here enough to know that you're not going to like what setup I'm running, GT lol

No valves just a pressure relief.

Lol.

Yep, figures. Swap that $100 pile of shit for a $16 gate valve, boom,  Bob's your uncle.

Lol
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« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2016, 04:21:11 PM »
Lol.

Yep, figures. Swap that $100 pile of shit for a $16 gate valve, boom,  Bob's your uncle.

Lol


Lol. It's already happening. I laughed a bit when I posted since I knew what your response would be.

Shouldn't we be talking about oil coolers and Fram oil filters LMAO

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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2016, 05:24:00 PM »

Shouldn't we be talking about oil coolers and Fram oil filters LMAO

No,  we pretty much already beat that topic into the dirt. Lol

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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2016, 06:06:07 PM »
Fram has some silver colored filters
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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2016, 06:26:38 PM »
Tough Guard.
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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2016, 07:17:19 PM »
Fram has some silver colored filters

 Painting a POS filter a different color doesn't make it useful.  ;)
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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2016, 07:40:11 PM »
Painting a POS filter a different color doesn't make it useful.  ;)

Crap. It don't?

I was going to have one chromed.....  :sly:
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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2016, 08:12:23 PM »
Crap. It don't?

I was going to have one chromed.....  :sly:

 Now you well know, you only use chrome filters when you run diesel motor oil, or own a Harley.  :-X
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« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2016, 08:38:20 PM »
Now you well know, you only use chrome filters when you run diesel motor oil, or own a Harley.  :-X


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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2016, 06:48:57 AM »
Is there any chance you still have the Fram filter that you suspect?

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Re: FRAM OIL FILTER ???
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2016, 09:05:41 AM »
no cut it open
was at teague yesterday they said they never had a problem with a HP6A
they carry wix as well
pick up new sending unit
picked up motor and put  it in the boat all ready should have a answer soon
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« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2016, 01:18:25 PM »
no cut it open
was at teague yesterday they said they never had a problem with a HP6A
they carry wix as well
pick up new sending unit
picked up motor and put  it in the boat all ready should have a answer soon

Can't wait.

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