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Installing MSD distributor
« on: March 31, 2011, 11:09:36 AM »
First, I would like to say whats up guys, my name is Lucas and im new here!  I just picked up a 76 Hallett bubbledeck with a 460/berk combo, and im sure ill be seeing a lot more of you guys!


My question is that I just got my new MSD ready to run distributor, and it says that it does not require an external ignition box.  However, the instruction manual shows how to install it with and without the box.  My boat already has an external ignition box (Procomp electronics), would it be better to wire it straight to my coil, or through the ignition box.

Also, there is instructions for setting a rev limit, but I have no clue as to what the engine is supposed to be running as far as rpms?  ???

All help is always appreciated! Thanks
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2011, 11:51:32 AM »
i dont think your msd rtr dizzy has a rev limiter (mine does not) if you run it through your box you will have a back up system (if you trust pro comp lol)

i have used my dizzy for 5 years and no problems, just hook up the 3 wires and go

if you use a rev limiter try 5k

hope this helps, welcome to the boards
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2011, 01:09:25 PM »
I think I will remove the ignition box then and hook it up straight to the coil.  The boat also has a procomp coil on it, i figure I should upgrade that to MSD as well, but which type should I use?
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2011, 01:21:13 PM »
I think I will remove the ignition box then and hook it up straight to the coil.  The boat also has a procomp coil on it, i figure I should upgrade that to MSD as well, but which type should I use?
Whatever the instructions to the dizzy show
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2011, 02:35:26 PM »
Alright cool.  One more, I swear haha... I got the dizzy in, the gear feels all the way in, but the houing of the dizzy sticks up about 3/4" from the intake manifold.  Is there a trick to get it to sit right?
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2011, 02:42:18 PM »
Does the dizzy look like this? I have my limiter on the 6AL box set at 6k. Try rotating the dizzy a little and it should go all the way in. If not, bump crank the engine and see if it drops in.

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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2011, 02:53:50 PM »
I felt the gears hit and slide in, just the housing won't sit flush against the manifold.  I checked and the old distributor sat flush and they are the same height??

This is what im talking about
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2011, 03:06:31 PM »
i cant see the pics at work but it sounds like you need to crank the motor and push down on the dizzy at the same time. :-\
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2011, 04:13:50 PM »
So I got it to sit flush, i installed all the wire and went to crank it, and it wont start, it just cranks.  What is the proper way to check and make sure the rotor is on the right tooth?
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2011, 04:23:37 PM »
So I got it to sit flush, i installed all the wire and went to crank it, and it wont start, it just cranks.  What is the proper way to check and make sure the rotor is on the right tooth?
put the motor on tdc compression stroke the rotor should be pointing at the #1 spark plug wire
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2011, 04:35:00 PM »
Get rid of all the Pro Crap stuff and it'll probably fire right up!
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2011, 04:43:03 PM »
Everytime I've done a dizzy change in the 460 the same thing happens. It's the oil pump shaft not lining up with the dizzy after engagement. I use an oil pump primer to reach in and rotate the shaft a little to get it to line up. Probably what you did was jump a tooth or two on the dizzy gear, but then the shaft lined up.

Do as Ralph says. Get the number 1 cylinder coming up to TDC on compression stroke. Then watch #6. When #6 starts to go down, drop the dizzy in with the rotor pointing at the #1 plug wire (Should be towards the rear of the engine). You'll probably need to rotate the oil pump shaft with a priming tool or "Bump start" the engine (With the dizzy in as far as you can get it) to get it to drop in fully. Rotate the dizzy to make sure you're pointed RIGHT AT #1 and snug it up and light it. You'll be surprised how little it is out of time when you put a timing lite on it.  ;)

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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2011, 04:48:37 PM »
Pointing towards the #1 cylinder or the wire?  I turned the crank until the pin (on the top left side of pulley if looking straight at it) was directly on the 0* mark on the pulley.  I looked at the rotor and it looks as if it is right on the #1 cylinder plug wire, about 10'clock.  ???
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2011, 05:03:29 PM »
Pointing towards the #1 cylinder or the wire?  I turned the crank until the pin (on the top left side of pulley if looking straight at it) was directly on the 0* mark on the pulley.  I looked at the rotor and it looks as if it is right on the #1 cylinder plug wire, about 10'clock.  ???

Ignore the timing marks on the Dampner until you KNOW they are right.........Ralph has experience with this as well, but there's a lot of different dampners out there......etc, etc. Chased my tail for 2 days on one once...........

Pull the number 1 spark plug, have someone bump the engine over while you hole your thumb over the hole. when you feel the pressure (It'll be obvious), It's coming up on compression. Pull the number 6 plug, and you can use a good clean wire, I use solder, but put it in the plug hole on top of the piston while you crank it by hand watching carefully. Then when #6 starts to go back down, yes, drop the dizzy in with the rotor pointing at where the #1 spark plug wire attached to the dizzy cap.

IF you look at your dampner and timing pointer and it seems to register ok,good for you. Never works that way for me, so here's where a silver Sharpie marker is your friend. at this aforementioned point, put a line on the dampner right at your pointer. This is 10* BTDC. Rotate the engine over TWICE again with the solder in the #1 hole to determine true TDC and put another line on the dampner. THOSE marks come in handy with the timing lite later............

Ray

PS you could also just simply be 180* out as well........but I still do it my way every time. Sounds more difficult than it is....... ;)
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2011, 06:28:30 PM »
Ray i am not a fan of your solder in this case, he is already having trouble and the solder could make it worse. For you or I or anybody with some experience i would'nt have a problem with it.

jmho
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2011, 06:36:27 PM »
Ray i am not a fan of your solder in this case, he is already having trouble and the solder could make it worse. For you or I or anybody with some experience i would'nt have a problem with it.

jmho
ralph

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Good point!  :thumbup: 

Nordie! Go set this dizzy would ya?   >:D

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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2011, 06:48:51 PM »
vegas! what part of town are you located? im a busy guy, but pm me your number i can probably get you squared away...if your close to my house i can probably do it tonight....im bored right now!
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2011, 06:53:32 PM »
at a boy Nordie :thumbup:
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2011, 06:55:59 PM »
i already know why it aint going down, and a 3/8's deep socket seems to do the trick lol  :thumbup: :beer: :thumbup: :beer:
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2011, 07:41:48 PM »
vegas! what part of town are you located? im a busy guy, but pm me your number i can probably get you squared away...if your close to my house i can probably do it tonight....im bored right now!
:thumbup: :thumbup:
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2011, 08:59:13 PM »
oh and we want pics of your hallett. a couple of guys on here are running hallett bubbles. myself included.
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2011, 11:22:41 AM »
Nordie, I got your pm but not until late last night. The boat is in boulder city right now, but if you want I can probably tow it to you. Ill provide the beer haha. I have a few pictures of it but im at work right now! The only time during daylight when I can work on the boat is tuesday and thursday. I appreciate the hospitality and im sure ill be seeing a lot more of yall!  ;D
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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2011, 06:33:11 PM »
Here is a pic of the boat when I first got it.  Before waxing of course

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Re: Installing MSD distributor
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2011, 07:21:24 PM »
Good looking float

Love the OT pipes  :thumbup:

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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2011, 07:35:09 PM »
nice boat man..... :thumbup: :thumbup:
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