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h20dawg_2nv

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Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« on: August 12, 2013, 12:41:25 PM »
1989 Eliminator open bow
Fresh top to bottom rebuild with a 90 over on 454. 6.7 hrs was cruising at 40 mph sounding really nice. Boat sudden Loss of speed 40 to 28mph no power then sudden "clunk" motor dead. Try to refire, get click-click. Open cover and steam pouring out of breathers and carb. Didn't note oil pressure at time of motor dying but a few minutes before was 60-65 psi. Turned key on noted 130 degrees felt exhaust which was warm, not hot. Trailered checked intake, nothing visual in impeller. Boats at the motor builder. All on beach saying "motor". Builder trying to say pump froze.....thoughts?


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h20dawg_2nv

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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2013, 02:57:56 PM »
No one has any ideas? Direction? Input?


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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2013, 03:42:50 PM »
Sounds like a head gasket if you have steam coming out the carb and breathers

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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2013, 03:49:46 PM »
Oil level? Sounds like the motor locked up. Steam coming out of the breathers doesn't sound good to me at all. Any time I have seen this usually involved my motor locking up.
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2013, 03:51:16 PM »
If you can disconnect the pump from the engine and see which one moves freely.
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2013, 05:37:17 PM »
We had the exact same thing happen in our Southwind. Thought the motor was toast. Ended up being a seized pump. I agree, disconnect the two and see which one spins.
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h20dawg_2nv

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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2013, 07:27:08 PM »
Ok my builder is separating the drive tomorrow. As for oil level, full, clear and no burnt smell. The jet was a blueprint/rebuild last year, a berkley with jet-a-vator.

Thanks for input, I've had a short summer waiting for this motor to be finished and now this!
Keep ya posted!


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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2013, 10:57:06 PM »
Yea partner I hope it's something easy. I feel ya.
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2013, 05:24:54 AM »
Hope everything works out. This is why I do all of my own work,. Relying on someone else to repair and diagnose is just not in my vocabulary.

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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2013, 06:19:17 AM »
Hope everything works out. This is why I do all of my own work,. Relying on someone else to repair and diagnose is just not in my vocabulary.

Same here.... then I have nobody to blame but myself if something is wrong. That makes me mad but it makes me even madder if I paid someone to do something and it screws up
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h20dawg_2nv

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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2013, 08:14:11 AM »
Yeah I typically do all my own work (cars and my bikes) but my room is limited and HOA threatens fined if neighbors tattle on my wrenching.

If it turns out to be a jet issue is this something I can tackle in my buddies garage or they a total nightmare? Done a few jet skis, I assume they have some sort of similarities. Hoping for the best but expecting the worst 😁 keep telling myself "look at all the fuel money I'm saving!"



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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2013, 08:31:12 AM »
When did you have the her done? Warranty still good?

Ya, HOA's have a good and bad side.
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2013, 10:30:36 AM »
Was competed 3 weeks ago, have 7.3 hrs since regaining her. The builder says engine issues are on him the owner of machine/motor build shop (builders dad) race engine do not get warranty. Not a race engine just 710 HP of fun.  So needless to say told owner that's BS I didn't drop 5k (I brought all the goodies) to get 704.224 $$ per hour!


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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2013, 01:44:23 PM »
When did you have the her done? Warranty still good?

Ya, HOA's have a good and bad side.

Hoa's are the worst haha I just got a $50.00 fine for leaving my boat in the driveway for a day.
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2013, 08:12:39 PM »
Yeah I left my MX bikes in driveway after pressure wash. they left me a hate note and a fine for $85 gotta love them


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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2013, 08:30:09 PM »
Ya. I got a fine because my satellite dish can be seen from the street in a 1 inch spot in 1 place from the street
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2013, 08:48:35 PM »
Was competed 3 weeks ago, have 7.3 hrs since regaining her. The builder says engine issues are on him the owner of machine/motor build shop (builders dad) race engine do not get warranty. Not a race engine just 710 HP of fun.  So needless to say told owner that's BS I didn't drop 5k (I brought all the goodies) to get 704.224 $$ per hour!


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710HP for $5K?...please share the build.
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2013, 11:53:35 AM »
Simple, my older brother is a hot rod builder and has a hangar full of parts 😉My engine when I bought the boat was already high HP not sure the exact number. I lost the cam last fall. The motor was .030 over then. Now 090 over
My brother supplied all the parts needing replacement, got a forged crank from him (skat)that was balanced and I believe is 4.50? Anyways the 5K was disassemble of block, machine work.
Reworked heads valves ect
Machine and mech was 2400 and my brother hooked me up with pistons, rods, valves, crank, carb dominator, cam, and gaskets for 2500. Not a mechanic but was told this made it a stroker? The builder said if I hadn't a connection for the parts and what I had already done by removing engine and disassemble it price would be closer to the 11-12k range


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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2013, 12:15:54 PM »
Well update, builder called said separated jet from motor, jet is fine can't turn motor more then a 1/4"
Pulling motor said "I don't build motors that last less then 100's of hours before maintenance" so he and I are on the same page with a "warranty" idea.
My brother mentioned something about this new crank probably wasn't turning freely, probably the reason for failure.  Any input to what he's saying? Again not a mechanic but familiar to a point around the motor.


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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2013, 05:09:58 PM »

My brother mentioned something about this new crank probably wasn't turning freely, probably the reason for failure.  Any input to what he's saying? Again not a mechanic but familiar to a point around the motor.


It's impossible to know without taking it apart to see what happened, but if someone put an engine together without measuring and checking bearing clearance, and verifying that the crankshaft turned easily prior to putting the rods and pistons in the block, then the guy is no "engine builder". 

There could have been an oiling issue or something else, as I said, once it comes apart the problem should be able to be spotted and verified before it goes back together.
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2013, 05:18:15 PM »
Motor apart. No obvious signs of lack of oil/lube all bearings are nearly perfect. Crank was gorgeous but my cam was in three pieces and #7 piston broke into 5000 pieces
Here are some pics

Some discussion with Comp Cam and Keith Black distributor. They want all the left over valve dimensions, the spring tension(coil?) and few other details KB claims they've never seen their pistons explode quite like that. I've never seen the end of a cam shatter into pieces

What's your guys' thoughts?


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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2013, 05:20:05 PM »
One more pic; it's missing a few inches (shattered)


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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2013, 06:46:31 PM »
First, not sure KB makes a .090" over piston.  And, a KB Piston to me indicates its hypereutectic, rather than forged.  It could still be an older KB forged piston, or one of their newer "Icon" brand forged pistons.  I would like to know the part number and dome volume, and what heads you have and combustion chamber size.  This is a pump gasoline engine,, what compression was it supposed to be? 

The broken exhaust valve may have caused the incident, depending on compression, fuel octane, and ignition timing. 

I recently rebuilt an engine that was sold to the guy by a shop as "9.6-1 compression".  He brought it to me with holes in three pistons, and signs of detonation on the rest of the set.  Looking at parts and some calculations showed it was  actually about 11.8 or 11.9-1 compression, way out of line for pump gas with his closed chamber iron heads.  Unfortunately that shop had closed and the owner in a serious medical condition so he had no recourse than to have someone else rebuild it correctly.

The cam was probably broken by pieces of piston bouncing around and jamming it up, and the bottom of the cylinders damaged by the rod thrashing around without a piston to keep it centered in the bore. 
« Last Edit: August 15, 2013, 07:17:34 PM by obnoxious001 »
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2013, 07:52:42 PM »
I bet you find out that those are not forged pistons.   I hope the builder stands behind his work.   If he sourced those pistons knowing it was going in a boat, then he should have certainly known better.
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2013, 08:13:48 PM »
Was competed 3 weeks ago, have 7.3 hrs since regaining her. The builder says engine issues are on him the owner of machine/motor build shop (builders dad) race engine do not get warranty. Not a race engine just 710 HP of fun.  So needless to say told owner that's BS I didn't drop 5k (I brought all the goodies) to get 704.224 $$ per hour!


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I would like to know more about the exact parts combination,, and where the "710 HP" figure comes from, especially with a flat tappet cam, unless it's a higher compression engine designed to run on better than pump gas.
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