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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2013, 10:21:02 AM »
I'm not sure why this became a bash on others banter. I asked about whether this looked to be a fluke issue or the builder funked it up. I do appreciate those shoe gave input to help with what they know.

Not that it truly means a whole lot to me, but why in the world would one ditch the actual block, short of obvious flaws? The first issue I had with the cam losing a lobe was caused by a rocker not properly locked down, it spun 90 degrees and beat the piss out of it. The end of the push rod broke off and lifter broke and floated down to the end and scarred up the cam. It obviously ran but sounded like an old 7.3 PSD

This latest catastrophe, the cam had been broke in correctly with proper zinc additives and oil change with zinc added again.

Whomever stated "should've started with a new block" why? It was 030 over and was low hours (128 hrs). I'm not a mechanic by any means not even a good assembler but I've raced MX for years and had to do repairs to my bikes. Other then possible resleeved I don't recall ditching my block. But maybe there's a difference between a BBC and 2stroke and 4 stroke bikes? Please help me understand the new block statement. I know I need a new block now as it has a hole and fractured from top to bottom in the #7 sleeve


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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2013, 10:32:01 AM »
I read .090 over... skipped from .030 to .090 what happened to .060? Block damage. Sounded like a tired old block to me that a bunch of random parts was stuffed into that blew apart. What the point that was argued about that I said was that it had eaten the camshaft - but I've been assured by experts that this guy's camshaft is just fine. Why are we arguing this? My 2 cents was it ate a bunch of money and that I'd personally have started with a fresh block (which I recently DID) rather than putting thousands of dollars into what I read as being a tired old block - without a good foundation the best parts in the world will fail. My 2 cents, so what?
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2013, 10:41:39 AM »
Nowhere in this post do you say 128 hrs.... You said .090 and it wiped out a cam (and lifter) last year and nobody knew why.

As in FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE. Same thing with the cause, though YOU might have known, you didn't mention any of that in your post... Going on the facts that have been presented to me - I make the statements I make.
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2013, 10:46:41 AM »
If this block only had 128 hours on it total, why didn't you just take it back to Dart, GM Motorsports, or whoever sold you a new block?
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2013, 10:48:56 AM »
I think it's gotten alittle tense in here.  Remember this is the tech section of the site not the war zone.


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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2013, 10:55:54 AM »
I think it's gotten alittle tense in here.  Remember this is the tech section of the site not the war zone.

I'm a Quaker, last thing I want is a war. I just have no idea why I get chewed out by 2 other members for stating my 2 cents in regard to the facts presented in the post.
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2013, 10:58:51 AM »
My mistake when I got the boat it wads 496 I'm guessing that's a 060 over so that was an error with the 030 over, my bad.
My hour meter on my boat is original and read the low hours.
Obviously the block at one time was a 454 stock. The guy I bought it from original owner said he bought it wasn't excited with its power so had it bored, heads, different exhaust, intake and larger carb. Again, not a builder, but he didnt mention multiple builds so is it typical to go stock to a 060 over? Doesn't change the fact the block has under 150 hrs at time I collected it.
My MX bikes when racing, had 100's of hours on them, I've on occasion rejugged (top end/head) but that was rare. But one of my bikes had 3 builds on it still runs like a champ today and competitive. These are 250cc and 450cc very small compared to a 454 block




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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #57 on: August 20, 2013, 11:11:22 AM »
I'm sure it's possible someone built it that way in '89 and those are the original hours - and if your boat is super pristine I might even agree. But my guess is that this build was done later, and those are the hours since the last build not since 1989. Personally I'd reuse very few parts from an engine failure, I'll build them and rebuild them but once they fail I feel like I'm putting the money I spend on the new parts at jeopardy. I'm an underpaid civil servant so I have to be very careful with my dollars - if I spend all the money on new parts to put together with parts involved in a failure, and it fails again I'd likely not be able to afford another rebuild till next year. I rescue idiots who have done more idiotic things than you can ever imagine, so forgive me if I sound overly cautious.

The plus side is you get to start from scratch, there are many published proven combinations of parts to choose from.

Have fun!
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« Reply #58 on: August 20, 2013, 11:39:33 AM »
Love working on motorcycles and atv's too - have even welded-up aluminum heads. BUT the big difference between those and the boat is that an engine failure on your motorcycle, or atv sure is a bummer and might be very inconvenient where an engine failure on your boat can be life threatening. If this was an airplane engine and you had to ride in it, would you reuse much?
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2013, 04:09:59 PM »
  WTF? I'm not the guy that blew his engine??? I'm just a guy that said it appeared to have EATEN that cam. I didn't ask for anything especially some pompous blowhards resume in the mail. My engines don't come apart EITHER...so what?

Oops...I didn't catch the name...just read the post and sounded like the OP being cocky.  Sorry
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« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2013, 04:54:14 PM »
Oops...I didn't catch the name...just read the post and sounded like the OP being cocky.  Sorry
No problem, I figured as much.  :thumbup:
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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2013, 10:02:32 PM »
Nope, not me getting cocky....but nice recovery there 😉


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Re: Jet boat slowed and motor stopped *HELP*
« Reply #62 on: August 20, 2013, 11:31:17 PM »
I have built a few engines in my time.

The problems tend to start when one relies on the recommendations of another without the all important second opinion.

While building a bunch of horsepower is fun, it must be reliable. It had always been my opinion that the ONLY way to accomplish this is to either overbuild the living snot out of it, or de tune it so it can't break itself.

The weak link on the big block Chevy is almost always valve train. That being said, there are parts available now that were not readily available to the average Joe just a few short years ago.

Tough costs money.

There is no reason these days to utilize a flat tappet cam, rollers have come a long way. The amount of impact on the system the roller profiles eliminate is unreal.

Do the research, talk to the pros, get second opinions, even third and you will be fine.

Just remember, a 700HP motor only makes 700HP at wide open throttle. You control your own destiny as far as how hard you run it.

Marathon engines in most cases stay together because of how they are built more than the parts that are used. A build can go bad with just one tolerance left under engineered.

GT

Btw, that was a nice recovery......





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