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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2016, 02:59:02 PM »
Yeah, I get that. That's why I posted the video. Wouldn't pressure increase as RPM increases on a mechanical pump allowing flow to increase too? I know there is going to be a small drop once the shots hits. Maybe that's why edelbrock wants the Jets squared?
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78Southwind

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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2016, 03:01:20 PM »
But that is down stream of the pump and regulators
I see what your saying.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2016, 12:02:27 AM by 78Southwind »
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78Southwind

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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2016, 03:06:03 PM »
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« Last Edit: February 20, 2016, 12:03:29 AM by 78Southwind »
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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2016, 03:18:54 PM »
Yeah, I get that. That's why I posted the video. Wouldn't pressure increase as RPM increases on a mechanical pump allowing flow to increase too?

Demand increases too
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78Southwind

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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2016, 03:39:33 PM »
So I called Edelbrock back and now they're telling me that I need to flow it. However, I need to flow the jet and the plate together. Thanks for the info guys. The Tech was actually upset that the previous Tech told me the wrong info. He also said that he would go with a dedicated pump for the Nitrous. He said in a prefect world the mechanical pump should work but why chance it.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2016, 06:23:15 PM by 78Southwind »
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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2016, 05:52:05 PM »

So I called Edelbrock back and now their telling me that I need to flow it. However, I need to flow the jet and the plate. Thanks for the info guys. The Tech was actually upset that the previous Tech told me the wrong info. He also said that he would go with a dedicated pump for the Nitrous. He said in a prefect world the mechanical pump should work but why chance it.
either way you do it I have a flow gauge you can borrow to set it, If I remember right you live fairly close to me


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78Southwind

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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2016, 06:26:59 PM »
either way you do it I have a flow gauge you can borrow to set it, If I remember right you live fairly close to me


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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2016, 07:47:57 PM »

So I called Edelbrock back and now they're telling me that I need to flow it. However, I need to flow the jet and the plate together. Thanks for the info guys. The Tech was actually upset that the previous Tech told me the wrong info. He also said that he would go with a dedicated pump for the Nitrous. He said in a prefect world the mechanical pump should work but why chance it.
. You need to flow it often to make sure it stays where you need it.


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78Southwind

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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2016, 09:25:03 AM »
Anyone know where to get 110 octane fuel around the chino hills area?
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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2016, 09:34:47 AM »
Downs in Corona.


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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2016, 10:01:23 AM »
Downs in Corona.


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Thanks, but I need something that is open today. Any other suggestions?
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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2016, 11:35:45 AM »

. You need to flow it often to make sure it stays where you need it.


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At the track I flow every other pass. Sometimes every pass.


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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2016, 01:12:56 PM »
Found some 110 at the pump in orange.
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78Southwind

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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2016, 04:36:03 PM »
So I am trying to come up with different ideas on how to design the system. Here is an example I like. In this example, can I move the regulator in-line right next to the pump? My buddy thinks this will cause problems.





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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2016, 04:45:19 PM »
Lots of setups are that way. You should be fine.
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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2016, 04:47:46 PM »

So I am trying to come up with different ideas on how to design the system. Here is an example I like. In this example, can I move the regulator in-line right next to the pump? My buddy thinks this will cause problems.

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I don't see a problem with that. I ran mine like that for years.


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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2016, 07:26:28 PM »
Not a fan!

The ideal configuration is to mount the regulators forward of carbs, nitrous solenoids, etc.   All low-pressure lines from the regulators should only run rearward only without turning forward.

Every fitting, solenoid, and foot of line represents a pressure drop.  The flowing pressure at the nozzles will be much lower than at the regulator.

This is further complicated by G-forces, of acceleration, pushing back against the flowing fuel, resulting in even lower pressure under actual operating conditions.

Basic rule of thumb; high-pressure flowing forward, low-pressure flowing rearward.
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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2016, 08:14:35 PM »

Not a fan!

The ideal configuration is to mount the regulators forward of carbs, nitrous solenoids, etc.   All low-pressure lines from the regulators should only run rearward only without turning forward.

Every fitting, solenoid, and foot of line represents a pressure drop.  The flowing pressure at the nozzles will be much lower than at the regulator.

This is further complicated by G-forces, of acceleration, pushing back against the flowing fuel, resulting in even lower pressure under actual operating conditions.

Basic rule of thumb; high-pressure flowing forward, low-pressure flowing rearward.
. I agree with Joe you open yourself up to a host of problems


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78Southwind

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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2016, 11:21:34 PM »
So your saying that it would be better to run the fuel line under the engine and put the pump in front of the engine like this one? But move the regulator up to the carb?

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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2016, 11:55:11 PM »
I strive to mount the fuel pump as much below and behind the tank(s) as possible.  In the event of a circle track application, the pickup should be in the right rear corner of the tank with the pump mounted below, behind, and to the right.  The goal is to place the pump inlet where the fuel naturally wants to go so that the pump doesn't starve for flow. 

Now, think about this; "You can't push a chain and you can't pull a liquid (unknown)."  With the pump mounted in the rear, it can easily push fuel to any location in the boat.

With typical side tanks in a V-bottom, I would mount the pump to the stringer as close to the transom as possible.  Aren't you installing a small fuel tank to feed only your N2O?  I would then mount the regulator(s) to the front of the engine, as close to the carbs and solenoids as possible.  Try to route fuel lines away from sources of heat.
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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #45 on: March 07, 2016, 03:33:33 AM »
I strive to mount the fuel pump as much below and behind the tank(s) as possible.  In the event of a circle track application, the pickup should be in the right rear corner of the tank with the pump mounted below, behind, and to the right.  The goal is to place the pump inlet where the fuel naturally wants to go so that the pump doesn't starve for flow. 

Now, think about this; "You can't push a chain and you can't pull a liquid (unknown)."  With the pump mounted in the rear, it can easily push fuel to any location in the boat.

With typical side tanks in a V-bottom, I would mount the pump to the stringer as close to the transom as possible.  Aren't you installing a small fuel tank to feed only your N2O?  I would then mount the regulator(s) to the front of the engine, as close to the carbs and solenoids as possible.  Try to route fuel lines away from sources of heat.
maybe you will appreciate this joe. Or maybe ill piss people off... back in the day this much thought never went in to this subject.. we just throw the big shot at it and let it eat......iv never melted a nitrous motor down and iv never been as paranoid as everyone seems to be about it. This is old tech that worked back in the day without all the new shit everyone says you need....

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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #46 on: March 07, 2016, 07:15:23 AM »
Pumps are called pumps not sucker's.
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Re: Nitrous Set-Up
« Reply #47 on: March 07, 2016, 12:02:55 PM »
maybe you will appreciate this joe. Or maybe ill piss people off... back in the day this much thought never went in to this subject.. we just throw the big shot at it and let it eat......iv never melted a nitrous motor down and iv never been as paranoid as everyone seems to be about it. This is old tech that worked back in the day without all the new shit everyone says you need....

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This is pump system basics and dates back to the time of the Romans, none of it is new.

My suggestions are based purely on pump systems engineering backed up by data recorded on the pro stock car and various classes of drag boats I have experience with.  The data shows that when fuel pressure fluctuates, speed is lost.

The OP has been querying opinions on a safe and reliable N2O system configuration.  My impression is that he wants it to work perfectly the first time and every time.  Cutting corners can make it difficult to diagnose problems if and when they occur.  I gave my opinion which is based on scientific fact.

Carry on,

Joe

P.S.  I never get pissed at anything anyone says, unless it is about my orange $.99 life jacket.
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« Reply #48 on: March 07, 2016, 01:43:19 PM »


P.S.  I never get pissed at anything anyone says, unless it is about my orange $.99 life jacket.
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« Reply #49 on: March 07, 2016, 01:53:16 PM »

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