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sandman

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starter noise!
« on: January 08, 2009, 05:54:55 PM »
Gurus! need your help!

on a 454 does the starter use shims for alighnment like automotive starters sometimes do mine is making some binding noise.
I just got the boat and the starter was just replaced, just checking to see if this guy was a knuckle head or am I?
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crewchief22

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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2009, 06:01:23 PM »
If it is using the traditional pad mount starter it can and probably needs to be shimmed.
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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2009, 06:20:05 PM »
thank you just needed someone to confirm. the motor is coming out this sat so i will check it out
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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2009, 07:33:12 PM »
? can I shim this starter with the motor out? how do I verify the alignment?
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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2009, 07:35:56 PM »
You can do it with the motor out .
Buy a remote starter switch.
Shim the starter and turn the motor over with the remote starter switch .
The motor doesnt need to run to see if the starter is in correctly .

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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2009, 07:47:24 PM »
Propper starter pinion to ring gear engagement is critical on all Chevys for correct engagement ,disengagment and starter /ring gear longevity the measuyrement is made with a "wire guage" between the teeth in the area shown below , we use a "pick" to pull the pinion into the R/G and measurte in the "crotch" (he said crotch :D) Often you can predict what you need by judging whats been milled from the starter hsg surface during the rebuild process (comparison) call or post up if you need help Weve all been thru this Tom
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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2009, 10:43:53 PM »
Tom-

        You are a wealth of knowledge by what i have seen posted on this site. Seeing how im a newbie to this site and jet boats I will be looking forward to more of your insight in the future. SSOOOOO without kissing your A_ _ much more what is the proper ring gear to pinion measurement I am looking for? And if I get in a jamb I will be posting with some pics so keep your eyes peeled please

Mike
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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2009, 08:07:48 AM »
Lots of good info here , You have a wealth of "Veterans" that have solid mechanical and marine experience to help you  Thats one of the things thats so great about this Socal board . I'll try later to find the "guage" (which looks like a section of heavy coat hanger) but I belive it to be around .100 in Tom 
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HDriderTH

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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2009, 09:54:50 AM »
I can mike a gauge pin here inna little while....'bout a coat hanger diameter
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sandman

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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2009, 06:52:04 AM »
Thanks guys motor comes out today!
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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2009, 10:38:40 AM »
The pin is .120.........good eye Tom
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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2009, 10:21:12 PM »
gurus! here are the pics from sat motor pull tell me something does this look like a marine version starter? and does it matter the starter was not aligned but im not sure that shims are gonna help let me know. also found a broken tooth on my flexplate gotta replace it
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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2009, 10:34:10 PM »
more pics
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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2009, 10:42:45 PM »
The pin is .120.........good eye Tom

Otherwise known as an 1/8" drillbit (.125") ;D  I'm telling you I'm backwoods bro's...

GT

gurus! here are the pics from sat motor pull tell me something does this look like a marine version starter? and does it matter the starter was not aligned but im not sure that shims are gonna help let me know. also found a broken tooth on my flexplate gotta replace it

Does not look marine, the way to tell for sure is the "flash plate" between the armature and the starter drive (may have some pics somewhere, I will try to find and post em) is your engine covered? Normally that's the only time it matters, also look at the copper bands coming out of the motor stator where they connect to the back of the solenoid, if there are two metal (copper) straps, that indicates a "high torque" version of the old style starter (used on BBC, trucks and high compression ratio small blocks from the factory) not to be confused with the gear reduction high torque, some folks call them Corvette starters because they are very common in Big block Vettes.
When you put the starter back on the motor, either use brand new starter bolts (not the cheapo's from Kragen) from GM, or make sure yours are dead nuts straight and have some knurling left...If it knocked a tooth out it could have bent a bolt if they were left loose...Seen it a hundred times...

If the starter is a marine version, there is normally a dob of RTV between the solenoid and the starter motor where they meet the drive housing, not always, but normally (required to be approved).

Keep the rear brace too, they work.  ;)

edit; after taking an expanded look at your starter, that is a high torque... ;)

GT
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

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sandman

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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2009, 10:51:32 PM »
more pics
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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2009, 10:57:44 PM »
You need to turn off those valve covers  ;D

I've got some "Old School" gold anodized Moroso valve covers that would look killer on there.... 8)

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

sandman

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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2009, 10:58:27 PM »
my engine is not covered now but the plan was to build an engine cover so I guess i gotta replace it huh?
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sandman

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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2009, 11:00:47 PM »
You need to turn off those valve covers  ;D

I've got some "Old School" gold anodized Moroso valve covers that would look killer on there.... 8)

GT

Ya the last owner painted them bummer huh!
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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2009, 11:01:57 PM »
my engine is not covered now but the plan was to build an engine cover so I guess i gotta replace it huh?

You can make it "Marine", if you want I will post up how, do you want to use this thread? You have a good starter there IMO (beats going out and spending long green on new).

If there are any automotive/industrial generator shops around you, most I have dealt with can do the conversion...

GT
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sandman

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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2009, 11:11:00 PM »
Yes that sound sweet I wouldnt mind nowing how to convert these myself. Ya use this thread and send me some pics THANKS
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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2009, 11:18:48 PM »
Yes that sound sweet I wouldnt mind nowing how to convert these myself. Ya use this thread and send me some pics THANKS

Tomorrow afternoon, I will get something together...

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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2009, 11:24:56 PM »
AWSOME!
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HDriderTH

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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2009, 09:00:13 AM »
IMPORTANT- Make SURE you have the correct GM Starter bolts! Ruined my day at Parker last year, starter flopping around all over the place.
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76NORDIC

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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2009, 09:09:40 AM »
The one thing I noticed was that the dizzy is at the wrong end :sly: ;D ;D
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Re: starter noise!
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2009, 12:38:31 PM »
The one thing I noticed was that the dizzy is at the wrong end :sly: ;D ;D

 ???  ???  It's not a V-drive!  The distributor is in the right place   ;D
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