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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2014, 12:36:36 PM »
If you get the complete casting number from the heads, they can be identified, They look to be decent heads, but without the cast number, it would be  WAG.

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2014, 12:40:23 PM »
I'll get the casting numbers. Can you tell if these are open or closed chambered heads

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2014, 12:47:02 PM »
I'll get the casting numbers. Can you tell if these are open or closed chambered heads

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With the number I can...  ;)

So can you.   :sly:

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2014, 03:58:49 PM »

I'll get the casting numbers. Can you tell if these are open or closed chambered heads

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I'm sorry for thread jacking but what's the difference between open and close chambered heads and what are the pros/cons of either?


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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2014, 04:09:44 PM »
I'm sorry for thread jacking but what's the difference between open and close chambered heads and what are the pros/cons of either?


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I'm trying to figure that out???

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2014, 04:25:41 PM »
If you get the complete casting number from the heads, they can be identified, They look to be decent heads, but without the cast number, it would be  WAG.

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where do I find the casting numbers?  Under valve covers?

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2014, 04:29:58 PM »
What have I got here? How should I improve it?

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2014, 04:38:50 PM »
I'm trying to figure that out???

I'm sorry for thread jacking but what's the difference between open and close chambered heads and what are the pros/cons of either?

You can look at this several different ways.

To tell by looking at them, an open chamber head has very small quench areas opposite the spark plug pocket (or a"at the top" as it where). The closed chamber head has a combustion chamber that resembles a bathtub only surrounding the valve area. This gets all muddled up when you look at late vs. early closed chambers, almost like the terminology changed.

Performance wise, by themselves it means almost nothing. It all depends on what piston dome/shape you are contemplating or already have.

I do know that if you use a piston designed for an open chamber head with say a 20 or 30 cc dome and install a closed chamber head, they will likely hit on the edge of the chamber, destroying the motor almost immediately.

Flat top pistons or even dish like what would be found on a force inducted motor becomes more of a compression ratio game.

I like open chamber heads for the simple fact that the design is more dynamically sound as far as scavenging and they tend to keep more heat on the entire surface of the piston (which could also be considered detrimental) reducing hot spots in one area which can stimulate some pretty gnarly detonation.

I really don't think there is a wrong answer as long as the chamber size/shape is taken into consideration with the piston dome size/shape.

The open chamber heads tend to build more power at the higher end and low end torque tends to suffer, but non of our jet boats can use any of that low end torque. Not until you get into the high 4,000 RPM does torque even come into play.

I am trying to find an article written by Gromm Racing in San Jose, I don't think it was on the net. It broke down virtually everything you ever wanted to know about cylinder heads and a lit more... It made my head hurt.

That is really all I can think of right now.

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2014, 04:39:55 PM »
where do I find the casting numbers?  Under valve covers?

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Yeah, one of the pictures you posted had a portion of the number showing, but I could not make it out. Under the VC toward the left hand side.

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2014, 04:42:00 PM »
What have I got here? How should I improve it?

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What you have there is what is known as good stuff... That my friend is a shoe with a rideplate... :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2014, 04:43:02 PM »
Yeah, one of the pictures you posted had a portion of the number showing, but I could not make it out. Under the VC toward the left hand side.

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I  thought so. I'll have to get that another day. Thank you sir

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2014, 05:32:59 PM »
Yeah, one of the pictures you posted had a portion of the number showing, but I could not make it out. Under the VC toward the left hand side.

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one last question for now.are these rectangular port?

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2014, 05:43:17 PM »
one last question for now.are these rectangular port?

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You are looking up it's butt, you need to look down it's throat...LMAO

The "rectangle" refers to the shape of the intake port, not the exhaust. I will look again at that casting number and see if I can figure it out.

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2014, 05:45:07 PM »
You are looking up it's butt, you need to look down it's throat...LMAO

The "rectangle" refers to the shape of the intake port, not the exhaust. I will look again at that casting number and see if I can figure it out.

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2014, 05:47:42 PM »
You are looking up it's butt, you need to look down it's throat...LMAO

The "rectangle" refers to the shape of the intake port, not the exhaust. I will look again at that casting number and see if I can figure it out.

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I'm seeing 0208 for the last 4 digits

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2014, 05:56:01 PM »
I'm seeing 0208 for the last 4 digits

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Which does not compute to anything that I can find, that could be a date stamping.
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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2014, 05:59:30 PM »
Which does not compute to anything that I can find, that could be a date stamping.
ok. Thanks GT I'll have to take it back apart later

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2014, 09:35:29 AM »
How much horsepower would it take and what modification s would need to be done to the pump to achieve 80 mph. This boat weight is 2400 lbs

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2014, 10:01:06 AM »

How much horsepower would it take and what modification s would need to be done to the pump to achieve 80 mph. This boat weight is 2400 lbs

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$$$$... Keep in mind the more money you throw into it, the more your gonna be wrenching on it. It's a cruiser, stay with a good reliable turn key engine. If you'd like to go fast and we all do get yourself a smaller lighter boat.

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2014, 10:35:04 AM »
How much horsepower would it take and what modification s would need to be done to the pump to achieve 80 mph. This boat weight is 2400 lbs

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Probably well over 800hp and extensive bottom work.

That boat was literally designed for 55mph with a very comfortable, wife pleasing ride.

JMHO

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2014, 10:44:40 AM »
Not to mention, that hull would not be safe at anything over 70mph as far as I am concerned.

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2014, 12:36:49 PM »
Not to mention, that hull would not be safe at anything over 70mph as far as I am concerned.

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it feels really stable at 60. My 18 kona does 66 so I thought this boat could handle a lot more speed.
When I read about similar boats going 80 plus mph my wheels start turning.  The hull on this boat is mint so doing any bottom work seems silly. I'd still like to go faster than sixty

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2014, 01:25:23 PM »
it feels really stable at 60. My 18 kona does 66 so I thought this boat could handle a lot more speed.
When I read about similar boats going 80 plus mph my wheels start turning.  The hull on this boat is mint so doing any bottom work seems silly. I'd still like to go faster than sixty

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Have you ever driven an 80mph vee bottom?

There is nothing stable about it. It is my feeling that 70 is realistic with about 500 ponies and some pump work. I would install a drop through turn fin and make some hp.

80mph from 60 in a vee bottom would be the equivalent of going from 80mph to 210mph in a passenger car.

Jmho.

Buy a gull wing or a tunnel hull if you want to go 80.

People that are telling you they have a fully dressed 20 foot jet river cruiser that does 80+mph are pulling your dick.

Again, my personal opinion.

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Re: 20 advantage jet
« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2015, 09:16:48 AM »
I have an 88 classic jet Advantage, I am going through it now , mpd reworked my jg Berkeley, nelson marine build me a 465 ci BBC pushing 500 HP, new windshield, new interior, in paint shop now getting white with red and orange Candy's. Pretty excited to put it back together.
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