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steves86ta

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1968 Rogers
« on: August 06, 2013, 11:24:33 AM »
Hi All,

I think im about the third member from this board to take this project on. I plan on finishing it! It is rough but i also want to learn how to fiberglass and fill etc as needed so i figure if i screw this thing up its not a big deal. This project will take a LONG time as i do not have a lot of money to throw at it and will need to budget for everything. with that said the plans as of now (probably will change) include a fully forged 496 or possibly a stroked 440-500 some nitrous and a lot of big power. Whether this becomes a reality or not is one thing. I will start with the hull work first (actually already did) and i plan to document everything i do.

Before i get started with pics and what not i have a couple questions, as i am new to Jets. From the previous add i know it had a berkeley 12JG pump.
Do i have to replace it with this pump?
Will the intake that is in it work with other pumps?
I am considering doing a "setback" is this a good idea? Im looking to be in the 700-850 horse range.
Should i look at a different Berkeley pump?

« Last Edit: August 06, 2013, 11:27:43 AM by steves86ta »
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steves86ta

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Re: 1968 Rogers
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2013, 11:27:12 AM »
Here are some pics of what im starting with:











And does anyone know WTF this angle iron thing is?


First project im going to tackle is "capping" the boat
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Re: 1968 Rogers
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2013, 12:02:02 PM »
you don't have to have a 12jg pump in it. almost any berk will work. Not a E though completely different. If you are going to do a set back now is the time. I would do a set back to get the hand hole cover out of the boat. That loader might have to go. It looks a little rusty and might be cracked. Good luck with the project, it will be a long road but totally worth it.

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Re: 1968 Rogers
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2013, 02:59:16 PM »
An E pump would already be set back, no I wouldn't recommend one for converting to set back since they are molded into the hull. But it is a good pump.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2013, 04:47:39 PM »
 That seems like a lot of power for a half stringer haul. Make sure the Haul can handle it before you build that monster motor You might be OK but I would look into it.
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2013, 05:23:01 PM »
That seems like a lot of power for a half stringer haul. Make sure the Haul can handle it before you build that monster motor You might be OK but I would look into it.
I thought about that, but I believe this is more of a 3/4 stringer. And to be honest this will be a stepping stone to learn building a boat and etc. I really want to be able to build this set up how I want and then pull the drive train and throw it into either a pickle fork or tunnel later on

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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2013, 05:32:38 PM »
I have been told by a few people, who are held in high regard around here, that quarter stringers are fine for high ho motors. I don't know from personal experience, but I have never seen some rip the stringers out from torque either.
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Re: 1968 Rogers
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2013, 04:22:22 PM »
I dont have a pump yet to bolt up to it, but it looks like it might be "set back" already, what do you think?

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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2013, 04:28:33 PM »
Nope that's just how some are
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Re: 1968 Rogers
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2014, 05:22:47 PM »
Ok i know its been a while so i thought i would update the thread as i have decided to start working on it again.

I have had a lot of spare time lately and like stated previously i have started oh the hull work first. I decided that it is best to start on the bottom of the hull first this makes the most sense to me. So I invited a few buddies over and we got it flipped over. I have it sitting on some Jack stands and some 2x4's. I have decided against capping the hull because i tend to dock it a lot.

Here are some pics of where im at so far. More to come this weekend

Sanded the side and up to the first chine with my DA and 60 grit to give the primer something to grab on to




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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2014, 05:29:08 PM »
And i finished DA'ing the whole left side of the bottom of the boat. And even wet sanded it down so that i could go ahead and lay down some good primer. Up to this point i have just been using Rustoleum primer bought by the quart at Autozone. So this weekend ill finish scuffing up the rest of the boat and then hit the entire bottom with some Bulldog and some Polyprimer i bought that is high build and great for filling.





And heres the primer ill be hitting it with this weekend (if its not windy)

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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2014, 07:20:59 PM »

And i finished DA'ing the whole left side of the bottom of the boat. And even wet sanded it down so that i could go ahead and lay down some good primer. Up to this point i have just been using Rustoleum primer bought by the quart at Autozone. So this weekend ill finish scuffing up the rest of the boat and then hit the entire bottom with some Bulldog and some Polyprimer i bought that is high build and great for filling.





And heres the primer ill be hitting it with this weekend (if its not windy)



Make sure that primer is not that old.we did my dads 32 ford pu and sisters 30 model a with that primer and after about a two months it shrank and cracked.it looked like lacquer checking. We had to sand them back to bear metal and start over.


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Re: 1968 Rogers
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2014, 07:35:39 PM »

I dont have a pump yet to bolt up to it, but it looks like it might be "set back" already, what do you think?


No, looks to be in the stock location. I would set it back to at least half of the hand hole sticking out. I've seen a lot of them with full set backs and the run super hard.


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Re: 1968 Rogers
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2014, 07:37:22 PM »
Could you come up with some info on setting it back? I've never done it and I think I would have to cut a big chunk out. But I'm game

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« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2014, 07:42:05 PM »

Could you come up with some info on setting it back? I've never done it and I think I would have to cut a big chunk out. But I'm game

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well, pull the intake. Get that done up with a shoe and ride plate. I would clean up the intake area and cut out how ever much you need to. glass back in the front part. I always put a bit more glass back than I should so I can grind make the intake go back in perfect.


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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2014, 07:43:11 PM »
OK. And how far should I set it back 2" 3" etc?

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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2014, 07:45:01 PM »

OK. And how far should I set it back 2" 3" etc?

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If it were me I would set it back to where the hand hole of the jet is just outside of the transom. Can't really give ya an exact number but somewhere in between 2 and 3 inches.


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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2014, 07:50:48 PM »
Sorry for all the questions. But if I do that. There won't be any glass between the intake and where the transom is. Is that a problem? Structurally?

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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2014, 07:57:58 PM »

Sorry for all the questions. But if I do that. There won't be any glass between the intake and where the transom is. Is that a problem? Structurally?

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No really. The best think to do is add one or two pump braces too keep the intake from moving. Especially when ya got a lot of HP!


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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2014, 08:09:28 PM »
Cool. I'll have to look around for them. What's the shoe and ride plate? Something I can do or does a shop need to do it?

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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2014, 08:19:00 PM »
last question then ill leave you alone (maybe lol)

If i decide to set it back, but i build an engine with only somewhere around 450-500 hp would this negatively effect me?

Im still considering the 454 stroker, but i currently have an extra 350 and most of a 383 kit. I could build to make some pretty decent power but nowhere near 700 or so (and be reliable)

thanks again
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2014, 10:28:34 PM »
I wouldn't spend the money or time doing a set back on that hull. Unless you just want the experience of doing it. That hull might be a hand full at speed.
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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2014, 11:54:02 PM »
Great lake boat with 450 reliable hp.
Put it together.
Enjoy for many years to come.
There is a ton of work involved in making this hull handle properly with the deep entry that hull has.

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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2014, 06:51:36 AM »
So you're advising against setting the intake back too right?

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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2014, 06:17:10 PM »
So you're advising against setting the intake back too right?

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Not for the amount of work involved

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