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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #100 on: May 12, 2015, 09:54:43 PM »
Looks good Steve. Way to keep at it, the boat and the thread. :thumbup:

If you got the time, I would say paint the tanks. A uniform look.
I would say polish them but, since they are already half painted...  ???

What are the polished plates on the inside gunnel, above the tanks? Heat shields from the previous blower motor?
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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #101 on: May 13, 2015, 06:14:40 AM »
Whats your plan on the head steam tubes? I found some nice adapters on eBay, and after examining the factory cooling system it looks like just plumbing them to exit somewhere on the transom is all that is needed.
Philo, for the steam vents I ordered some 1/8 npt adapters from a company called wegman or something like that, I'll get a link later today.

I'm going to make a simple distribution block out of a 1x1 chunk of aluminum. Then dump them over board.

But I've been really thinking about this and have decided to dump them into the collectors of the headers.

Since my headers will be dry, this will make them look like they are injected and hopefully keep the cops off my back.

The adapters I bought were like 27 for the set of 4
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steves86ta

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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #102 on: May 13, 2015, 06:17:33 AM »
Looks good Steve. Way to keep at it, the boat and the thread. :thumbup:

If you got the time, I would say paint the tanks. A uniform look.
I would say polish them but, since they are already half painted...  ???

What are the polished plates on the inside gunnel, above the tanks? Heat shields from the previous blower motor?

Thanks Dave,
I'm gonna paint them.

Idk what the polished plates were for originally. Maybe heat shields that's a good guess.

I only put them back on because where they were, the Paint Is rubbed off. And of course I had to polish them
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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #103 on: May 13, 2015, 06:27:01 AM »

Thanks Dave,
I'm gonna paint them.

Idk what the polished plates were for originally. Maybe heat shields that's a good guess.

I only put them back on because where they were, the Paint Is rubbed off. And of course I had to polish them
yes they were heat shields got it with them on it.


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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #104 on: May 13, 2015, 06:47:54 AM »
yes they were heat shields got it with them on it.


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Thanks Dennis,

Like I said they rubbed the Paint underneath so they went back on to cover that up. If the boat ever gets repainted I'll shitcan them.

I might make one for the rear of the boat not sure yet
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« Reply #105 on: May 13, 2015, 08:31:21 AM »
Philofab heres the link to the steam vents i bought. Yes their website seems a little janky but it worked for me i had them in 1 day and they are nice pieces

http://s41657.storefront-solutions.com/detail.aspx?ID=3289
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Chad89GT

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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #106 on: May 13, 2015, 04:28:38 PM »
Whats your plan on the head steam tubes? I found some nice adapters on eBay, and after examining the factory cooling system it looks like just plumbing them to exit somewhere on the transom is all that is needed.

I'd agree with that too... IIRC on a 4th Gen they plumb back into the radiator?  Been a while since I sold mine :) 

I do recall that some cars have all 4 steam holes tied together with a skinny "H" looking pipe that sits under the intake (the very early cars IIRC), while others block off the rears and only use the front steam holes.  I don't think my FAST intake cleared the "H" line running under it so I had to change over to the later style stem tubes when I ran it. 
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« Reply #107 on: May 13, 2015, 04:37:55 PM »
I'd agree with that too... IIRC on a 4th Gen they plumb back into the radiator?  Been a while since I sold mine :) 

I do recall that some cars have all 4 steam holes tied together with a skinny "H" looking pipe that sits under the intake (the very early cars IIRC), while others block off the rears and only use the front steam holes.  I don't think my FAST intake cleared the "H" line running under it so I had to change over to the later style stem tubes when I ran it.

Chad,

you are correct. The early engines had the "H" pipe and these are very hard to find and almost non existant. And yes the OEM application plumbed it back into the radiator or coolant recovery bottle

There are a few schools of thought in regards to the steam lines

1. Block all 4 off, in a jet application the water is moving through the block so fast it doesnt matter (not a fan of this)
2. Block off rears and dump 2 over board or into the cooling system somehow
3. Run all 4 overboard.

there are some people that say they don't matter, some say only 2 etc.

There are some reports of the rear cylinder temps being higher than the rest of the engine and this causing the top ring land to crack or break off. Obviously if that happens its catastrophic.

Me, Personally... Im just going the safe route and dumping all 4. Still trying to decide if i want to do a bulkhead and dump them through the transom. Or adding to the collectors like i said earlier. Im leaning towards the collectors since im running dry headers. Might fake the cops out.`

Another idea that i just thought of is to buy a set of these
http://www.ictbillet.com/lsx-remote-mount-water-pump-adapter-plate-3-4-npt-chevy-ls1-ls-camaro-536.html

Drill and tap the side of it for a 1/8npt fitting and just recycle the water back in the cooling system.

OR even

buy an AN fitting that will fit into the overboard engine block lines and tee it into there...

Or more simply dump the shit straight overboard lol
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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #108 on: May 14, 2015, 08:16:58 AM »
My coil brackets came in from ICT Billet (same people that made the engine plates i bought earlier). I am thoroughly impressed with these things. One they fit the coils perfectly and all of the holes fit the valve cover as they should. And they were cheap.... 39.99 with free shipping  O0  :thumbup:  :beer:  :beer:

Of course.... I had to polish them, but it took about 10 minutes with the buffer they are nicely finished.

I hate the coils ontop of the valve covers but this helps make them look a little bit better

Before i polished them


After




Then i started on the wiring...

The factory wiring is old, ugly and not very coordinated.


and it has one of these fuse blocks


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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #109 on: May 14, 2015, 08:19:54 AM »
Ill get pictures unfder the dash later on, but when i took this picture the 12v hot and Grounds has already been run to the dash with a fuse block and a ground distribution strip up under the dash. Also the Ignition is wired and there is a Key on hot wire running to the back of the boat, where another distribution point will be.



I may not be doing the "Marine" color coding. But trying to make it make as much sense as possible. Also trying my best to tuck the wiring and hide it. Wiring is one of my pet peeves i hate sloppy wiring.



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philofab

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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #110 on: May 17, 2015, 10:00:54 AM »
Where is your alternator going to go? I was thinking of swapping to a Corvette balancer and using one of the "Mini" GM alternators mounted to the front block plate. The truck balancer sticks out like 10 feet.

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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #111 on: May 17, 2015, 12:52:20 PM »
Killer build all the way around. Good job, man!


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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #112 on: May 18, 2015, 09:20:01 AM »
Where is your alternator going to go? I was thinking of swapping to a Corvette balancer and using one of the "Mini" GM alternators mounted to the front block plate. The truck balancer sticks out like 10 feet.



Im still not 100 percent sure.... Im planning on building a mount to mount it to the rail backwards facing. Then run an AC belt to the crank pulley.

Still dont have the alternator. But ill probably just get an astro van one or something
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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #113 on: May 18, 2015, 10:13:22 AM »
Killer build all the way around. Good job, man!


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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #114 on: May 18, 2015, 01:15:51 PM »
Made some good progress this weekend.

Saturday i finished the wiring harness. Got the entire boat wired (all except gauge lights). This took most of Saturday afternoon, then on Sunday i decided to move where the battery and batter cut off switch will go.

So unfortunately had to make a few changes to the wiring, but the good thing is that its done. The engine harness is the way it is from MSD, and i just added my sender wires into the harness.

After the wiring was done, and I was able to clean out the bilge. I painted the rest of the fuel tanks, masked off the stringers and set the engine in.

I had originally polished the front engine plates, but after they got scratched a few times. I decided to just give them the same finish i did to the rear and the mounts for the electrical components (120 grit on the DA) Plus its less maintenance later on

Got the engine set in, and more or less lined up. Waiting for a drive line and PTO then can put the engine in permanently.


Its so small in comparison to a Big Block.

I have a 2" Aluminum open carb spacer. Here are pics with and without it. would you guys run one?

With the spacer


Without the spacer


And a few more pictures just because! You can see part of the wiring in the pictures. I hope to hide it a little better. Also the engine is not completely hooked up as far as wiring goes. Still working on that



I know the left side header is lower. Im going to heat and bend them both up a little bit for more clearance. Also will do my best to make them match





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philofab

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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #115 on: May 18, 2015, 02:03:24 PM »
I'd probably run the spacer. Adding those usually moves the power up in RPM range which you will probably need. I doubt that engine will see much use under 3K.
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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #116 on: May 18, 2015, 02:05:10 PM »
Looking good Steve, your on your way. Doesn't look like much more time until she gets wet.


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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #117 on: May 20, 2015, 09:49:20 AM »
Well yesterday was just full of bad news... some work shit came up. Figured i would go home and work on the boat, that should relax ya right?!? WRONG!!! Should have just sat in it and made vroom vroom noises and drank beer haha.

My new temp gauge came in so i figured i would try to get it installed. Going with Autometer Ultra Lite gauges in this thing (closest match to the autometer tach in the boat). I'll eventually get all the autometer ultra lite series. But for now just the oil psi, water temp. And ill buy as i go. A full set of gauges are not in the budget.

Open up the temp gauge and theres a piece of styrofoam stuck under the glass....




Right by the R in WATER and in the corner of my eye in the boat. So i emailed the seller (bought it brand new from ebay) and they are sending me a brand new one out today!  :thumbup:  :thumbup:  O0

So that was the first bad thing to happen lol.

Next i moved onto the fuel system. Most, not all but most of the fittings i needed showed up yesterday. So i opened everything and laid out how the lines will be ran and realized that i do have all of the fittings i need. My plan is -8an from the tanks to the seperator. -8an from the seperator to the pump, -8an from the pump to the regulator, then -6an to the carb.

Well when i was drawing the system up and deciding what fittings i needed i could have sworn i had enough -8 line to do the lines from the separator to the pump, then the pump to the regulator. Yeah..... nope apparently i only have -6 line and thought i had some -8 laying around. But no, its all -6 or the -8 grew legs... Ill go to G&J and pick up some -8 line and -6 fittings.

So no biggie, ill make the regulator to the carb. thats easy enough i have the all the fittings for that and the line.

nope... the damn fittings are -6an fitting for a -4 an hose... Totally my fault i bought them from summit, and just plain wasnt paying attention.  :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:

then i moved onto the water system. Since my budget on the build dried up a long AN Hose and Fittings for the cooling system are out the window lol. Lucky for me, my dad gets the Goodyear Silicone heater hose from his work. The blue hoses that are used on police cars and ambulances. Really nice stuff.
This stuff:


But the blue does not go with the boat at all and will annoy me to the end. So i had an idea, when i ordered my wiring sleeving from mcmaster-carr i went ahead and ordered some for the silicone heater hose. I really like the way it looks, should protect it and the hose should last a very long time. I put the sleeving over the hose and heat shrunk the ends.

Heres a close up of the line coming off the pump.


No i do not plan on running that valve in the boat. That was just there to help with testing the lines. And i didnt want to misplace it

But im running two dumps (the ones that were on the boat already) and the headers will be dry for the most part. At least for right now. Ill make water lines later on







going to tie these down to the mounts on the intake. But once i run the steam lines i wont have room underneath the intake to run the hoses. So they will look something like this




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« Reply #118 on: May 20, 2015, 09:55:55 AM »
And the worst part of my night.... Also the stupidest thing i could do  :banghead:  :mad:  :screwy:  :'(  :-\  :beer:  :beer:  :beer:

After what seemed to be nothing but dead ends with what i was doing. I figured i would run the bilge hose and install the dump for the bilge. That should be easy right?

Nothing i do is ever easy or atleast thats how it seems.

I drilled a 1 inch hole in the side of my boat, in the completely wrong spot..... and would have to physically move the fuel tank for it to be useful. FUCK



the paint was already cracked there. So i figured lets put the dump in the middle of the cracked paint. Itll cover a lot of it up....

Yeah...... Probably drank to much beer and should have waited til today to do this, but yeah.... fubared it. At this point, im considering buying some sort of stringer washer and building a "billet" cap for the hole. Or maybe a 90 degree bulkhead fitting and running a second bilge pump (always planned on running two bilges). But thats if i can get a -10 to -12 angle bulkhead to fit in between the tank and the side of the boat.

Otherwise, going to find a way to cap it off and cry
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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #119 on: May 20, 2015, 10:08:53 AM »
Dammit I've had those days, sometimes it better to just sit and relax, I know your not rushing but sometimes it's better to just look at it and work on it another day. Focus on one thing at a time. Your doing a bitchin job. Keep up all the good work!! 👍👍


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« Reply #120 on: May 20, 2015, 10:13:31 AM »
Dammit I've had those days, sometimes it better to just sit and relax, I know your not rushing but sometimes it's better to just look at it and work on it another day. Focus on one thing at a time. Your doing a bitchin job. Keep up all the good work!! 👍👍


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Thanks Dennis,

Im trying not to rush, just one of those days lol....

shit happens. I think i came up with a plan for the two holes. Going to get one of these

for the left hole, and a straight one for the right hole. Both -12an. Ill get a AN to Hose barb for both of them, and run my bilg pump to them. Until i get the second bilge pump, ill just cap one of them off
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« Reply #121 on: May 20, 2015, 10:24:01 AM »
Maybe run those hoses under the engine?
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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #122 on: May 20, 2015, 10:26:59 AM »
Maybe run those hoses under the engine?

Thought about that, but for one, didn't have enough of the sleeve to go that route. and two they would interfere with the belt for the alternator.
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« Reply #123 on: May 20, 2015, 10:29:11 AM »
Maybe run those hoses under the engine?

The more i look at the picture i dont see why it wont work that way. Except maybe needing longer hoses...

But i know i tried it i just dont remember exactly why it wouldnt work ill try it again
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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #124 on: May 20, 2015, 02:44:22 PM »
Kind of cool. My boat was posted on the LS Nation facebook page. Obviously a LS community

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