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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #175 on: June 05, 2015, 09:38:27 AM »
You have that much reversion that it pulled water from that close to the end the exhaust?  That doesn't seem right.
Philo i took this picture for you. This is how much water comes out of the steam lines. And they are tee'd into one. I would asume two seperate ones would have more water flowing out, since its not restricted.

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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #176 on: June 07, 2015, 09:10:43 AM »
Well..... Boat floats......

Got to Elsinore right at 8am. Dunked it checked for leaks and all was good.

Tied it to the dock and parked the truck.

Idled around for a while getting familiar with the jet and the way it drives.

Went for a lap around the lake and cruised at about 3k rpm. My dad wasn't there with his boat yet.

I did two laps and everything was perfect. Temp was about 140, perfect oil pressure. Boat is extremely loud but all was good. Came around the east side and went to get into it and ripped the gas pedal out. I didn't use long enough screws.

This thing was responsive as hell. And fast. My dad's was there so headed back to LA Laguna to meet up with him.
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« Reply #177 on: June 07, 2015, 09:30:14 AM »
Then we headed back out to the cove. Cruising down the lake as we turned at the South end, he hammered his boat and said he was doing 60. Which is about all that boat does with that prop and not a real long stretch. I laid into mine and just walked away from. I was spinning the BC impeller 5800-6000.

But the boat was or seemed like it was porpoising. So I let out (keep in mind at this point I'm holding the gas pedal in place with my left foot while driving with my right)

So we get to the cove and pull some screw's out of seats and get the gas pedal screwed back down.

I let it sit for about 30 minutes. Pulled a couple spark plugs and they looked perfect.

My uncle was with me and wanted to go for a ride. So my uncle and I climbed into the boat and head out. Let it idle and warm up. Around 130-140. And get to the end of the no wake zone. Water was Glass and I hammered it.

Boat launched harder than anything I've ever driven. Was swinging about 5800-6000 rpm. Oil pressure was right at 80. And the porpoising was gone. I think it was my foot not being able to hold the pedal still that was causing it.

Probably running about 70-75mph if I had to guess. And engine dies... Just cuts off. Go to crank and it's locked up tighter than a drum.

Then I see it, steam/smoke coming from the side of the block. Walk over to it and there about a 3 inch hole through the block.

Threw a rod. I then proceeded to get intoxicated.

Pulled the engine from the boat this morning. I hate air tools with a hangover BTW.

I'll never know for sure. But my best guess is the rod bearing spun and this caused the rod to let go. Engine was so loud you didn't hear anything.

I've "blown" up my fair share of engines before but never have I grenaded something so bad. Nor have I seen it in Person.

Regardless. A part failed idk what it was but it managed to take out both numbers 3 and 4. Both pistons are cracked. The rest look okay and all the bearings (besides 3 and 4) look fine.

What did I learn ? Don't build a race engine with stock internals.
I also learned that the ls engine is very capable inside a jet boat. Right out of the box I was swinging the BC to 6k or so... That's with a JC bowl and no diverter. And a more or less stock pump.

Yes I will fix this, chances are i will be down this year... But when it goes back together, it will be studded, 100% forged, and this will never happen again.

Now im going back to bed and getting rid of this hangover lol
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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #178 on: June 07, 2015, 09:42:42 AM »
Throw some paint on it... It'll fix it right up!


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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #179 on: June 07, 2015, 09:49:30 AM »
Oh. And FUCK officer Titus of lake Elsinore PD.

I respect cops, I have many friends that are cops. But this guy... This guy is an asshole.

We dropped a friend of ours off at west marina, there was no traffic so we headed over to LA Laguna where we launched at.
My dad was driving the Bahner.

No big deal, well there were some douchebags on lake lice hauling ass in the no wake zone.

He pulls them over in assuming cites them.

Well dad and I switch so I can drive the boat on the trailer and I drop him off at the dock.

As I start my approach to the trailer officer dickface pulls me over.

Asked me if I've been driving the boat. I say no just to put it on the trailer.

Officer dick face "right, so you haven't been driving"

Me "no sir my dad was, he just backed the trailer in"

Officer dickface "right, well I saw you drive the boat against traffic to here"

Me "you didn't see me diving the boat it was my father"

Officer dickface " uh huh guess we just have to wait for him to swim out here so I can cite him "

Me "really? Just give me the fuckin ticket"

Officer dickface "okay that's fine it's 65.00"

Me "okay"

He proceeds to start on the ticket, then decides he wants to see all the safety shit.

Officer dickface "I need to see at least two life jackets"

So I take the back seat off and there are about 8 of them in there. So I point at them

Officer dickface "no you need to take two of them out"

Me "okay there you go"

Officer dickface "where is your for extinguisher"

So I crawl under the bow and get it and hold it up

Officer dickface "I need to look at it"

So I crawl my fat ass out and give it to him

Officer dickface "okay, class 3 throwable?"

Me "okay I'll get it, anything else you want to see while I'm under here?"

Officer dickface "no"

So I crawl under and get the throwable

Show it to him

Officer dickface "day use pass?"

Me "I thought you didn't want to see anything else"

Officer dickface " are you arguing with me? Have you been drinking? "

Me "yes sir"

Officer dickface "how much"

Me "more than you"

Officer dickface "do you consent to a field sobriety test"

Me "no"

Officer dickface "okay here's your citation have a nice day"

A great fuckin cap to my great fuckin day lol
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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #180 on: June 07, 2015, 10:03:10 AM »
I was pulling in when you were tide up to him he can be a dick he's herrassed me a couple of time for going to fast never cited tho sucks bout the motor I know where you can get a all aluminum LS bear block


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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #181 on: June 07, 2015, 10:10:27 AM »
I was pulling in when you were tide up to him he can be a dick he's herrassed me a couple of time for going to fast never cited tho sucks bout the motor I know where you can get a all aluminum LS bear block


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Yeah idk what his problem was. His wife must have not blown him or some shit

More info please on the block. You can text me if it's easier
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« Reply #182 on: June 07, 2015, 10:54:16 AM »
Dam that sucks!!! Sorry man!!!

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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #183 on: June 07, 2015, 10:59:19 AM »
Sorry to hear this, good luck getting her back together as fast as possible.


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« Reply #184 on: June 07, 2015, 11:44:38 AM »

Then we headed back out to the cove. Cruising down the lake as we turned at the South end, he hammered his boat and said he was doing 60. Which is about all that boat does with that prop and not a real long stretch. I laid into mine and just walked away from. I was spinning the BC impeller 5800-6000.

But the boat was or seemed like it was porpoising. So I let out (keep in mind at this point I'm holding the gas pedal in place with my left foot while driving with my right)

So we get to the cove and pull some screw's out of seats and get the gas pedal screwed back down.

I let it sit for about 30 minutes. Pulled a couple spark plugs and they looked perfect.

My uncle was with me and wanted to go for a ride. So my uncle and I climbed into the boat and head out. Let it idle and warm up. Around 130-140. And get to the end of the no wake zone. Water was Glass and I hammered it.

Boat launched harder than anything I've ever driven. Was swinging about 5800-6000 rpm. Oil pressure was right at 80. And the porpoising was gone. I think it was my foot not being able to hold the pedal still that was causing it.

Probably running about 70-75mph if I had to guess. And engine dies... Just cuts off. Go to crank and it's locked up tighter than a drum.

Then I see it, steam/smoke coming from the side of the block. Walk over to it and there about a 3 inch hole through the block.

Threw a rod. I then proceeded to get intoxicated.

Pulled the engine from the boat this morning. I hate air tools with a hangover BTW.

I'll never know for sure. But my best guess is the rod bearing spun and this caused the rod to let go. Engine was so loud you didn't hear anything.

I've "blown" up my fair share of engines before but never have I grenaded something so bad. Nor have I seen it in Person.

Regardless. A part failed idk what it was but it managed to take out both numbers 3 and 4. Both pistons are cracked. The rest look okay and all the bearings (besides 3 and 4) look fine.

What did I learn ? Don't build a race engine with stock internals.
I also learned that the ls engine is very capable inside a jet boat. Right out of the box I was swinging the BC to 6k or so... That's with a JC bowl and no diverter. And a more or less stock pump.

Yes I will fix this, chances are i will be down this year... But when it goes back together, it will be studded, 100% forged, and this will never happen again.

Now im going back to bed and getting rid of this hangover lol

Don't take this the wrong way, but I'd lean more towards something was assembled wrong... Stock LS lower ends are actually very stout for what they are. Tons of people are putting 10+lbs of boost on 100k stock lower ends with zero problems.

Either way it definitely sucks. Sorry man.


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steves86ta

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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #185 on: June 07, 2015, 02:15:34 PM »
Don't take this the wrong way, but I'd lean more towards something was assembled wrong... Stock LS lower ends are actually very stout for what they are. Tons of people are putting 10+lbs of boost on 100k stock lower ends with zero problems.

Either way it definitely sucks. Sorry man.


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I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's highly unlikely.

Everything was checked multiple times.

But mistakes happen. Reflecting on it, it was pretty tight going together. Meaning the clearances were on the lower end of spec.

Doing research, it should have been a lot looser.

So theres that, also we can't forget I hydro locked it, that could have been a contributing factor.

And just sitting here thinking... Maybe just maybe it was to radical for a marine application on a stock lower end.

What I mean by that is, it was 11.5:1, big cam etc. Maybe the combo works in a car because they don't live at 6k rpm, maybe it was just simply to much for the load and environment a jet boat demand as and creates. To live and last on stock internals.

Yes they are great engines and yes there are people out there making big numbers on them. But nobody said how long it really lasts.

I don't care what the stall is our the gearing it does not live at 6000 rpm for more than a split second

I'll never know the truth. Going to set the next one up looser and with better components.

My heads, cam and valve train are all in good shape so at least it's only a lower end
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steves86ta

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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #186 on: June 12, 2015, 09:22:51 AM »
Cleaning the boats out last night and found my Go Pro. With everything that happened and my inebriated state i completely forgot i had about 30 minutes worth of footage of the boat running before it let go. I cut it down to about 2 minutes because most of it was boring. Heres the link if youre curious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDpTYMLaHiw&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #187 on: June 15, 2015, 09:31:05 AM »
Looks like it'll be back on the water soon. A guy at my dad's work had a line on a free 5.3. So we went and picked it up. It was running when it came out of the truck it was in just tired as they put it.

Went and picked it up saturday morning. First thing i noticed was it was dirty. But hell for free it will work til i can find another 6.0 and build a 408 like i want to.

Got it home and did a leak down test. About 30% so it needs rings. Thats fine was planning rings and bearings and run it.

Started tearing it down and wow this thing is NASTY. i have never seen this much sludge in my life. Quite literally unbelivable. This thing had sludge caked on abotu 1/2" thick everywhere.









However, pulled it apart and im still amazed. The rods and mains look brand new. Cylinders still have crosshatch marks in them. Going to put rings in it, and cam bearings. Im assuming the cam bearings are shot from the sludge and the oil not making it past the mains very well. Measured the Rod/Main cleareances right abotu .00275-.003. A little loose but its what most are recommending to run in high abuse applications with an LS.

Went at it with the pressure washer and she got cleaned up. The rotating assembly is at my dads work sitting in the jet wash for the next hour or two.





the plan at this point in time is to put my cam/heads on this. And run it, wont have the power of the 6.0 but should run pretty well, regardless im hoping itll be turn key and i can enjoy it for awhile

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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #188 on: June 15, 2015, 09:43:38 AM »
That's awesome!!! Oh and all that sludge is from one thing!!! Someone ran pennzoil in that motor!!!


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Re: 1970 Weiman
« Reply #189 on: June 15, 2015, 09:46:20 AM »
That's awesome!!! Oh and all that sludge is from one thing!!! Someone ran pennzoil in that motor!!!


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Yeah idk what they ran. But i do know it had one of those little quick turn drain valve thingies, and im guessing it got clogged up with sludge and they never ever changed the oil after that. Probably thought it was burning 6 quarts everytime. Or just a little came out..

One of these

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« Reply #190 on: June 15, 2015, 09:51:00 AM »
When I was at my dads shop, we saw it all the time , motors that had a mile of sludge in them !! And we would show the customer , and there always like what caused that??? First thing out of my dads mouth you used pennzoil for oil huh. Yes was the anwser!! Got it changed at a quick lube place and that is all they use.


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« Reply #191 on: June 15, 2015, 10:07:26 AM »
Pennzoil only does that if you skip oil changes! Holy crap. I've seen the inside of an LS look that bad. Lots of 80s emission engines but never an LS! Wow.


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« Reply #192 on: June 15, 2015, 10:31:16 AM »
Glad to see you will be back out on the water soon


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« Reply #193 on: June 19, 2015, 02:16:50 PM »
Are those 706 heads? My motor has a stripped intake manifold bolt hole that someone really screwed up trying to fix...
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« Reply #194 on: June 19, 2015, 03:34:26 PM »
Are those 706 heads? My motor has a stripped intake manifold bolt hole that someone really screwed up trying to fix...
Yes they were. And I would love to hook you up with them, but that was one of the conditions of it being free. He wanted the heads
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« Reply #195 on: June 19, 2015, 03:58:34 PM »
No worries! 706 heads are plentiful. This head may be savable with a double insert. Dumbasses drilled it out to like 12mm instead of buying the correct heli coil and bolt.


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« Reply #196 on: June 20, 2015, 01:57:40 PM »
I didn't see any mention of it, did you bother with a MAP sensor? I can't really think of any reason it would be needed on a boat for timing. But... my boat did have vacuum advance hooked up when I got it. Ease of starting?
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« Reply #197 on: June 20, 2015, 02:11:44 PM »
I didn't see any mention of it, did you bother with a MAP sensor? I can't really think of any reason it would be needed on a boat for timing. But... my boat did have vacuum advance hooked up when I got it. Ease of starting?
Nope. I'm running 16 initial then a curve programmed in. Figured no need for it
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« Reply #198 on: June 22, 2015, 08:45:19 AM »
Well, the piston rings that were supposed to be here Friday didnt show up until Saturday. And for some frickin reason my mail didn't get there til about 430 Saturday afternoon.

Dad and i got all the rings filed, and the rest of the motor built Saturday night. Broke it in, in the driveway at about 10:30 at night (sorry neighbors).

Woke up about 530 Sunday morning. Changed the oil, hooked up my Oil temp gauge, fixed the fuel line for the carb. And hit elsinore at about 10am.

The 5.3 is down on power in comparison to the 6.0. But it still pushes my little boat pretty nicely. Doesnt plane as quickly. But i think thats carb related. I didnt touch the carb from how i had it on the 6.0 and it was extremely fat. Wouldnt fire up nicely when it was warm. (took awhile to crank). I need to downjet the primaries a couple sizes, and i need to put the stock Primary Accelerator Pump discharge nozzle in. (.028 to the .031 i have in it)

I tried not to beat on it to much but it seems to run well. The water was a little bit rough, and the boat came out of the water a couple of times. (thank god for a rev limiter. Hits it pretty damn quick) But it seemed to pull past 5k somewhere in the 53-5500 range. I think it might do a little more once i get the timing and carb dialed in.

But regardless its back on the water. Survived most of the day, til the battery got to low and we decided it was time to get it home. (havent installed the alternator yet)

I also need to figure out my water injection. I tee'd the valve line (valve is by my seat) off of the left side dump. But no matter the RPM or even on the water hose i had no water coming out. I think there isnt enough restriction to push the water into the valve line.

Question, Can i only run one dump? (the engine/oil temp was nice and low) and just run the second dump the the valve for the injection? Or would that cause one side of the motor to get hotter than the other?

I need to say thank you to Darrel (h20nut21bahner), Wes (carrera202 i think), Greg (icecreamman), Jake, Chris (philofab), Dennis (capogniracing), GT Jets, Sean (sevans01), Hans (89 Carribean) and anyone else i forgot to mention. Without this site, and the people here. This would not be done and would never of happened.

And most of all a HUGE thank you to my Father. Hes not on the site but without him this would of never of been finished this quickly. I blew my budget on the last motor, and he stepped in and really helped me out both financially, physically and more importantly emotionally on this. I was 100% down and bummed about the engine letting go the first time. If it wasnt for his good spirits. There is no way in hell i would have even finished the boat.



Ill have video later this week.
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« Reply #199 on: June 22, 2015, 08:49:53 AM »
That is awesome let me know the next time you take it out hopefully I can get out there with you. And great job!!


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